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Filipower;3040339 said:Huh, is that a threat?
Dah Shinin';3040482 said:First I put zero effort writing on an on-line forum, second English isn't my first or even second language.
How many languages do you know besides English? None.
Sorry that I'm not a 30 something year-old loser, with a thinning hairline who spent over a decade posting useless junk. What a legacy you must be very proud.
Dah Shinin';3040709 said:Here we go again putting on that I'm a sick **** in life on-line persona. Your a sad little kid get the f*ck out of here. Doesn't matter what I do or who I am cuz it doesn't concern anyone here, I don't need to prove nothing to no one.
Dah Shinin';3040709 said:Here we go again putting on that I'm a sick **** in life on-line persona. Your a sad little kid get the f*ck out of here. Doesn't matter what I do or who I am cuz it doesn't concern anyone here, I don't need to prove nothing to no one.
I agree with you here I think, I am completely opposed to capital punishment of any kind but I do feel there is moral justification for killing an enemy combatant in the field, even when that person may not pose an immediate or obvious risk.RobbieD_PL;3132194 said:So it's not ok to kill him following due process via a trial, but it's ok to kill him on the battlefield. Although I must say I don't support the death penalty, Gadhafi lived by the pistol and he died by the pistol.
You cant really compare post cold war Europe with post-dictator ship Islamic countries because of the religious factor. I do agree with you however, I cant see people (in the short term at any rate) resurrender their freedom, and evidence suggests that the hardcore islamist factions only enjoy about a 15% support at the moment. When you look at the footage of the rebel (now government) victors it seems to me very unlikely that these people would submit to draconian islamic law (indeed they share common ground with resistance movements in Iran who are campaigning against the theocracy there) There are young people and many of them seem very well educated, which does hopefully point Libya in the direction of a more moderate and socially free country.RobbieD_PL;3132194 said:Osama also didn't run a political dictatorship within any M. Eastern state, so it wasn't like you were going to have masses even revolting against him. People are worrying now that Islamist parties will take power in the new revolutionary political era, but I don't think people will throw away their hard fought freedom for theocracies. Theistic options will also have to play by a democratic rule book too now, and as far as I know most countries are realising this, as they look to Turkey as an example.
In Europe it happened already with the fall of the Iron Curtain, Belarus is just the last ignomany of that era.
Yes and it proves wrong the old claim that "some cultures and societies just dont want democracy." If it can happen in Libya, in can happen anywhere. A big question that arises is do we in the west now owe it to other revolutionary movements is despotic countries so support them as we did Libya if they ask for it?clash;3131903 said:Glad he's done with, but much like Hussein and Bin Laden, it's mostly a symbolic closure to a chapter than anything else. As for the way he got killed, I'd prefer the way it went rather than executing him after the trial as the latter would have given a lot of organizations and people (probably including me) to start going on about how it would be wrong to kill him. Also the possible Breivik-effect which in Gadhfis case might actually have consequences.
Although the NTC was NATO-supported and things could have gone a dfiferent way without that, I'd still think that capturing Gadhafi and the Lybian revolt was much different from the fall of Osama and Hussein - like in Egypt and Tunisia, the people themselves should get most credit for getting rid of a dictator. Makes you wonder if this could happen in Europe, thinking Belarus or in a lot more isolated places, thinking DPRK.
Sir Sir_Didier_Drogba;3132222 said:I agree with you here I think, I am completely opposed to capital punishment of any kind but I do feel there is moral justification for killing an enemy combatant in the field, even when that person may not pose an immediate or obvious risk.
Sir Sir_Didier_Drogba;3132222 said:You cant really compare post cold war Europe with post-dictator ship Islamic countries because of the religious factor. I do agree with you however, I cant see people (in the short term at any rate) resurrender their freedom, and evidence suggests that the hardcore islamist factions only enjoy about a 15% support at the moment. When you look at the footage of the rebel (now government) victors it seems to me very unlikely that these people would submit to draconian islamic law (indeed they share common ground with resistance movements in Iran who are campaigning against the theocracy there) There are young people and many of them seem very well educated, which does hopefully point Libya in the direction of a more moderate and socially free country.
Sir Sir_Didier_Drogba;3132222 said:The practicalities of setting up the new Libya may be more complex, but Libya does have the advantage of extreme natural wealth and a whole horde of new foreign allies eager to do business (expect big profits and some cut throat negotiation from some of our companies in the near future). But what will come with that will be advise and support in setting up democratic electoral processes. Libya could just be a beacon.
Sir Sir_Didier_Drogba;3132223 said:Yes and it proves wrong the old claim that "some cultures and societies just dont want democracy." If it can happen in Libya, in can happen anywhere. A big question that arises is do we in the west now owe it to other revolutionary movements is despotic countries so support them as we did Libya if they ask for it?
ShiftyPowers;3132946 said:$200 billion!!!