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pede54 said:
So Bridge would be on his way out if he is benched? It would seem like the best combination to bench Carvalho, play Gallas as CB, buy Cole and play him as LB, and have Bridge as his replacement. The season is long, Bridge would get his share of games.
Shevchenko-[7 said:
No, we don't.
Moreira_Benfica
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Shevchenko-[7] said:
so manchester united would rather have silvestre then carvalho, and Kaldaze over carvalho hahah man you dont watch no football rather then milan i bet
untouchable
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What? We dont even play Silvestre in the center of our defense anymore, but you're right though, Carvalho will be a good replacement for him on the bench.Moreira_Benfica said:
No way will Chelsea let Gallas go to Arsenal. If thats the deal wanted by Arsenal then forget about the whole thing. You keep Cole and we'll keep Billy, that will suit us fine.
Chelsea will never let Arsenal have ANY players from our club. None of them would want to join Arsenal anyway so that idea is already dead in the water.
Chelsea will never let Arsenal have ANY players from our club. None of them would want to join Arsenal anyway so that idea is already dead in the water.
see, almost everyone is content with their CB pairings. Carvalho is good, but the big teams have better.
btw, its not individuality that makes me pick Kaladze over Carvalho, rather than the fact that Kaladze and Nesta compliment each other, hence meaning I dont want Carvalho.
Now it only seems Pool could acommodate Carvalho
btw, its not individuality that makes me pick Kaladze over Carvalho, rather than the fact that Kaladze and Nesta compliment each other, hence meaning I dont want Carvalho.
Now it only seems Pool could acommodate Carvalho
http://www.cfcnet.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18328
THE REBELLION OF WILLIAM GALLAS
The news that William Gallas wouldn’t be joining his team-mates in the US is not what most Chelsea fans want to hear now - less than two weeks before we officially get the season underway with the traditional Charity Shield. The club’s statement about the situation no doubt reveals a deepening tension between the parties, something that’s come to a head since May.
As I’ve said before, I’m a Gallas fan, but I’m not a fan of stupidity. I’ve opposed his style from the very beginning, because it smacks of nothing but blackmail. I think the club’s position then (and now) is the right one. Gallas has had his time running around spreading stories in the press for the past three years (even as the ink was yet to dry from his last contract with the club). In May, the club finally called his bluff and insisted on him seeing out his contract, but then continued to offer him a new improved deal. In fact, the feeling amongst fans these past few weeks was that the worse is over and that he would finally be signing a new deal after his agent met with Kenyon to thrash out things during the World Cup. And then he comes up with this.
Before Abramovich came, the excuse for him wanting to leave was that we’ve won no silverware. Thereafter, it became a renegotiation of his contract. After that, it became a question of being played out of position or more precisely out of a position he’d prefer. Yet, everyone knows that we only play him on the left when we had to, because of his versatility and because of injury and loss of form of our left-backs.
Up to May, Chelsea have borne the player’s escapades in the press without response. All they’ve done was to quietly reassure him. Mourinho even had a fallout with Carvalho publicly precisely because of him playing Gallas in the centre-back position ahead of the former. Chelsea have now met all his requirements, including making arrangements to ensure that he’s played in his favourite position from next season by buying this summer. In fact, the talk with Arsenal about Ashley Cole is towards ensuring that we have two quality left-backs so as not to have a reason to call on him for that role. Chelsea are obviously doing everything to make him know he’s valued; so, what else does he want? Why is he coming up with such s**tty attitude as the latest one?
I think Chelsea should keep him till his contract expires next year, as the club have stated earlier. We don’t need the money and we will buy a good enough replacement for him while he stays around and watch the team win things from the sidelines (if he continues to act in this unprofessional manner). Already, he’s the loser in this affair, because he’s out there somewhere moaning while his team-mates are having a ball in America. In fact, the news now is that Ballack has the No 13 shirt, which is great, considering that Gallas values it no more. Pig-headedness won’t take him anywhere and he must know deep down that wherever he goes he can never surpass his career or achievements at Chelsea. If he thinks the grass is greener at the other side, a little dose of reality would soon set in when he finally steps out of the Bridge.
I know Gallas is a fans’ favourite and in matters like this, there’s always the tendency from certain quarters to blame others but Gallas for the situation. Be that as it may, I believe his refusal to show up in the US as agreed confirms his lack of respect for the club and the fans that have made him. Whatever his grouse with the club (which has been well-publicized), he owes it to the club and the fans to show up and honour his commitments to the club as long as his contract subsists, even if he’s still hell-bent on not signing the new one offered him. He may be a great player (and we certainly will miss him football-wise when he eventually moves on), but right now he’s plummeted more in my estimation. I would expect the club to take appropriate disciplinary action against him, while making him see out the remaining year of his contract.
Of course, there are those who’d wonder whether he’d be committed to the cause having showed this unprofessional side of his personality; but I personally wouldn’t bother about that. Thank God Chelsea are a massive club with many great players who can pull together and deliver. In fact, if need be, we can always go out there and acquire an equally good or even better player than him. Whatever the situation, I trust Mourinho and the people in charge to take appropriate action to negate his potential loss or non-performance on the field. But he must not be allowed to leave now, no matter his antics. What he’s doing is blackmail and the club must not fall for it. Apart from keeping him away from our competitors, it is important to prove the point that bad and unprofessional behaviour won’t cut it at Chelsea. We must not allow a bad precedent that other players in the future may want to exploit.
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Well put by that poster on CFCnet.
THE REBELLION OF WILLIAM GALLAS
The news that William Gallas wouldn’t be joining his team-mates in the US is not what most Chelsea fans want to hear now - less than two weeks before we officially get the season underway with the traditional Charity Shield. The club’s statement about the situation no doubt reveals a deepening tension between the parties, something that’s come to a head since May.
As I’ve said before, I’m a Gallas fan, but I’m not a fan of stupidity. I’ve opposed his style from the very beginning, because it smacks of nothing but blackmail. I think the club’s position then (and now) is the right one. Gallas has had his time running around spreading stories in the press for the past three years (even as the ink was yet to dry from his last contract with the club). In May, the club finally called his bluff and insisted on him seeing out his contract, but then continued to offer him a new improved deal. In fact, the feeling amongst fans these past few weeks was that the worse is over and that he would finally be signing a new deal after his agent met with Kenyon to thrash out things during the World Cup. And then he comes up with this.
Before Abramovich came, the excuse for him wanting to leave was that we’ve won no silverware. Thereafter, it became a renegotiation of his contract. After that, it became a question of being played out of position or more precisely out of a position he’d prefer. Yet, everyone knows that we only play him on the left when we had to, because of his versatility and because of injury and loss of form of our left-backs.
Up to May, Chelsea have borne the player’s escapades in the press without response. All they’ve done was to quietly reassure him. Mourinho even had a fallout with Carvalho publicly precisely because of him playing Gallas in the centre-back position ahead of the former. Chelsea have now met all his requirements, including making arrangements to ensure that he’s played in his favourite position from next season by buying this summer. In fact, the talk with Arsenal about Ashley Cole is towards ensuring that we have two quality left-backs so as not to have a reason to call on him for that role. Chelsea are obviously doing everything to make him know he’s valued; so, what else does he want? Why is he coming up with such s**tty attitude as the latest one?
I think Chelsea should keep him till his contract expires next year, as the club have stated earlier. We don’t need the money and we will buy a good enough replacement for him while he stays around and watch the team win things from the sidelines (if he continues to act in this unprofessional manner). Already, he’s the loser in this affair, because he’s out there somewhere moaning while his team-mates are having a ball in America. In fact, the news now is that Ballack has the No 13 shirt, which is great, considering that Gallas values it no more. Pig-headedness won’t take him anywhere and he must know deep down that wherever he goes he can never surpass his career or achievements at Chelsea. If he thinks the grass is greener at the other side, a little dose of reality would soon set in when he finally steps out of the Bridge.
I know Gallas is a fans’ favourite and in matters like this, there’s always the tendency from certain quarters to blame others but Gallas for the situation. Be that as it may, I believe his refusal to show up in the US as agreed confirms his lack of respect for the club and the fans that have made him. Whatever his grouse with the club (which has been well-publicized), he owes it to the club and the fans to show up and honour his commitments to the club as long as his contract subsists, even if he’s still hell-bent on not signing the new one offered him. He may be a great player (and we certainly will miss him football-wise when he eventually moves on), but right now he’s plummeted more in my estimation. I would expect the club to take appropriate disciplinary action against him, while making him see out the remaining year of his contract.
Of course, there are those who’d wonder whether he’d be committed to the cause having showed this unprofessional side of his personality; but I personally wouldn’t bother about that. Thank God Chelsea are a massive club with many great players who can pull together and deliver. In fact, if need be, we can always go out there and acquire an equally good or even better player than him. Whatever the situation, I trust Mourinho and the people in charge to take appropriate action to negate his potential loss or non-performance on the field. But he must not be allowed to leave now, no matter his antics. What he’s doing is blackmail and the club must not fall for it. Apart from keeping him away from our competitors, it is important to prove the point that bad and unprofessional behaviour won’t cut it at Chelsea. We must not allow a bad precedent that other players in the future may want to exploit.
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Well put by that poster on CFCnet.
PaPaGeorGeo
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pede54 said:
Im not saying the Gallas will come to us
But you guys wont have any control over where he goes in January
Moreira_Benfica
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its you
Looks like Ken Bates is reporting you guys for tapping up two of Leeds' players.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374851&cc=5901
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374851&cc=5901
Yeah Kens always reporting us for something. Thats what he does to keep in the news now that he is a nobody.
Man, no wonder Ballack is good with his head........Look at that forehead....its massive :funny:
papa....of course mate, when his contract runs out then its up to him where he goes. By that time i dont think any of us will care that much what he does.
Gallas' agent intimated that there had been contact between Arsenal and his client, the reason apparantly for his recent about turn. Are we taliking a tapping up here i wonder? Or is the agent just being an agent and lying through his teeth?
I am desperately searching for the article in which he alledgedly made the comment. Man I wish I had been bothered to post it when I saw it......
Man, no wonder Ballack is good with his head........Look at that forehead....its massive :funny:
papa....of course mate, when his contract runs out then its up to him where he goes. By that time i dont think any of us will care that much what he does.
Gallas' agent intimated that there had been contact between Arsenal and his client, the reason apparantly for his recent about turn. Are we taliking a tapping up here i wonder? Or is the agent just being an agent and lying through his teeth?
I am desperately searching for the article in which he alledgedly made the comment. Man I wish I had been bothered to post it when I saw it......
TheBlueBalla
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Ken Bates is an absolute old fool. He thinks hes getting 24 million because we signed away two of his youth players. Mind you, this was during a period where it was permissable for any team to make an approach. That really mustve gotten his knickers in a twist: the club that cast him aside stealing his future at leeds. The guy already ripped Chelsea for 70 million, and now he wants more, eh? Leeds Village must not be going too well.
I guess Ballack + the number 13 is the last shot in this whole affair. He is valuable for one more year, but i'd rather we sell him right now to a foreign club rather than he decides to screw us by signing with a rival (he seems to like the fans, but thing have gotten very bitter very fast). That poster was right, though. He has done very little but bitch during his time here, as if he was never happy despite the adulation. This year he wouldve had it all, probably, and yet it still wasnt good enough for him. I doubt any club would say no if he was offered to them at a great price, so lets have him off to Milan for a paltry few million and do Roman's friend a favor
Arsenal would be all over that offer like an asian lady on a sidewalk sale :boohoo:
And for the record, Pete, my trepedation with Cashley comes not with the fact that he hates Arsenal. That is fine in my book and would be appreciated with alot of players. Its the fact that he seems to have no regard or loyalty to the club he plays with. Obviously thats conjecture, because he's only ever played for one, but I have reason to believe that is his mindset, and I dont want that anywhere near our team
but team spirit and selflessness dont really seem to matter in Mourinho's eyes anymore so much as does building the best 11 in the world. So we'll see what happens
I guess Ballack + the number 13 is the last shot in this whole affair. He is valuable for one more year, but i'd rather we sell him right now to a foreign club rather than he decides to screw us by signing with a rival (he seems to like the fans, but thing have gotten very bitter very fast). That poster was right, though. He has done very little but bitch during his time here, as if he was never happy despite the adulation. This year he wouldve had it all, probably, and yet it still wasnt good enough for him. I doubt any club would say no if he was offered to them at a great price, so lets have him off to Milan for a paltry few million and do Roman's friend a favor
That is exactly right, without any qualifiers. He looks like a desperate defender because he is perpetually out of position. But its like his technique isnt to disarm a player of the ball, its to give him space, and then lunge in to take the ball away or knock him off the ball, sometimes at an inopportune time. Hence he concedes alot of freekicks and fouls. Hence alot of people distrust him (notice, not dislike, distrust) more than Gallasadj137 said:
Yes, only one major team in the world could use a top 10 defender. What are you talking about?Shevchenko-[7] said:Now it only seems Pool could acommodate Carvalho
Thanks David Dein, any more updates for us?bigp said:
Arsenal would be all over that offer like an asian lady on a sidewalk sale :boohoo:
And for the record, Pete, my trepedation with Cashley comes not with the fact that he hates Arsenal. That is fine in my book and would be appreciated with alot of players. Its the fact that he seems to have no regard or loyalty to the club he plays with. Obviously thats conjecture, because he's only ever played for one, but I have reason to believe that is his mindset, and I dont want that anywhere near our team
but team spirit and selflessness dont really seem to matter in Mourinho's eyes anymore so much as does building the best 11 in the world. So we'll see what happens
TOON ARMY said:
....hahahahahaa....Brill........ :funny: Omar, I dont know the REAL true story behind this "bad blood" between Cole and Arsenal. I suspect it must go further back than the tapping up affair, otherwise Cole would never have approached us at all back then. I will wait for his side of the story before condemning the bloke. Then I will decide what is what I suppose.
Then again....Billy aint exactly showing the club that made him much respect is he?....and we also know the reasons for his disrespect. Now seriously mate, do you think Billy's actions right now have Milanistas or Gooners shaking their heads in disgust at his disloyalty?......I don't think so. So why give a damn what he does to Arsenal.
People do fall out big time with the boss in all walks of life. He hates them and he wants out. I've been there before mate, and I didn't hesitate in walking away when it was my turn. Everyone has the right to NOT work somewhere, where they are not happy. I dont see the big deal in all of this fuss at all.
TheBlueBalla
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Well, I guess with the Billy comparison you do have a point there.
Ill admit im still skeptical over the personality issue, but the prospect of a player as electric as Cole playing for us is pretty exciting. I just remember how searing his pace was against Barcelona in may and how strong he was in the tackle in Germany this summer. Id say now that we're losing Gallas, we're definately buying a LB
Ill admit im still skeptical over the personality issue, but the prospect of a player as electric as Cole playing for us is pretty exciting. I just remember how searing his pace was against Barcelona in may and how strong he was in the tackle in Germany this summer. Id say now that we're losing Gallas, we're definately buying a LB
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