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CHELSEA FC Thread [2005-2006]

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Vazza

Starting XI
Sad to see him go...didn't get much of a look in but when he played he gave 100% despite being played out of position and never complained. BTW I could have sworn that the fee we paid was nearer £12m.

As for Rosicky, we don't need him cos he plays in Lampard's position and I don't see him starting over Frank, do you? Anyway, I really don't see why so many rate him...sure he has talent but he hasn't done much for the past couple of seasons.

I have to agree with you about Essien, I'm worried we'll get ripped off again, like we were with Didier but saying that there aren't too many quality young players in his position.
 
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Virgo

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still the same preconceptions about the portuguese, when will you english guys get over it. Do we need to kick your arses yet again? :ewan:

I agree Chelsea could get better than Tiago with all the money they have (I mean there are much better midfielders in Portugal let alone the rest of the world), but Scott Parker is definitely not a better player than him. He lacks the positioning Tiago and Smertin have and that it's fundamental for that position. If you're saying no to Essien you clearly have no clue about the player himself who is currently probably the best player in the world in that particular position. Who cares about the price tag? You can afford it.

But Ricardo Carvalho... come on he may not have had the routine Gallas and Terry had when playing together last season, but as a player he's a class above Gallas. Gallas may be quicker (not much), Terry may be the best in the world (mainly because he's almost unbeatable in the air, but there is no CB in the world with RC's work rate.

I get the feeling you're a FM geek when I read BlueBalla's post, Rosicky is inconsistent as f*ck and not THAT special when he plays well.
 

Vazza

Starting XI
Carvalho inspires more confidence in me at CB than Gallas does because he always seems calm, whatever the situation. As for Tiago, after a decidely patchy start, I thought he picked up towards the end of the season with some good performances, so hopefully he'll start next season the way he ended the last.
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
First let me put a disclaimer on the Rosicky thing: its not that I think the team needs him, I was just being a wiseass about getting a player I happen to like. Last summer, when it looked like he was surely headed for Chelsea, I was pretty excited, but even more-so after EURO2004. I just think the lad's brilliant, and I know he sucked this year and all, but I hope that he recovers his form because he is one of my favorite non-Chelsea players. I just hope the michael owen situation doesnt similarly come to a whole lot of nothing this summer, because that lad is my favorite non-chelskite.

By the way, i dont even own FM :(

Vazza said:
Sad to see him go...didn't get much of a look in but when he played he gave 100% despite being played out of position and never complained. BTW I could have sworn that the fee we paid was nearer £12m.

As for Rosicky, we don't need him cos he plays in Lampard's position and I don't see him starting over Frank, do you? Anyway, I really don't see why so many rate him...sure he has talent but he hasn't done much for the past couple of seasons.

I have to agree with you about Essien, I'm worried we'll get ripped off again, like we were with Didier but saying that there aren't too many quality young players in his position.

Youre probably right on the Parker number, but I definately agree. And yah, the Drogba signing still kinda haunts me. Though I dont know the first thing about how the negociations went, I get the feeling that had Chelsea played the situation normally, that is reduced their intrest when the price got to high or chased other similar players, he wouldve cost closer to what he was actually worth. In any event, I just hope he isnt tossed out with Kezman with next weeks trash at a 24-7 million pound loss and is given another season to show what he can do. It seems that most chelsea fans who want him gone say so because he shot blanks in the second leg of the semis, which is pretty silly given how he did the rest of the season.

Virgo said:
still the same preconceptions about the portuguese, when will you english guys get over it. Do we need to kick your arses yet again? :ewan:

I agree Chelsea could get better than Tiago with all the money they have (I mean there are much better midfielders in Portugal let alone the rest of the world), but Scott Parker is definitely not a better player than him. He lacks the positioning Tiago and Smertin have and that it's fundamental for that position. If you're saying no to Essien you clearly have no clue about the player himself who is currently probably the best player in the world in that particular position. Who cares about the price tag? You can afford it.

But Ricardo Carvalho... come on he may not have had the routine Gallas and Terry had when playing together last season, but as a player he's a class above Gallas. Gallas may be quicker (not much), Terry may be the best in the world (mainly because he's almost unbeatable in the air, but there is no CB in the world with RC's work rate.

I get the feeling you're a FM geek when I read BlueBalla's post, Rosicky is inconsistent as f*ck and not THAT special when he plays well.

Your spot on with all that. Let me just say, Tiago was excellent for most of the season, and people like myself and others who say he should be replaced say so, subconciously, because he doesnt fit the billing of "world class" eventhough he is class. But if it came to spending an extravagant amount (and it would be) on someone like Essien, then I would rather see Tiago retained as the third mid. However, I only say that because of the extravagant fee: Essien is the name this summer, along with Joaquin and perhaps Gilardino, that is nearly guaranteed to make a big move. Being that he is so coveted, I fear he could command even more than what Drogba did, and that might put undue pressure on the lad if he comes to the Bridge. Id rather let the intrest cool, and then maybe make a swoop during the January window because as it stands, Madrid and ManUnited arent really in a position to make their move, but I worry about Arsenal getting him.

Oh, and all you said about RC is absolutely right: not only is he more technically gifted than Gallas, he is poised and confident as Vazza put it, and I think of him much more in a Rio Ferdinand mold as a more smooth, precise CB. If it were not for the success of JT and Gallas, I would definately have him start, despite Billy Gallas' class. I still remember the second leg of the semi finals, and how the guy went balls to the wall, moving all over the field to make tackles and clearances. Having him, terry and gallas to fill two spots is the definition of 'embarrassment of riches'

By the way, i mentioned Joaquin, and another board mentioned that Chelsea were leading the race for his signature. He's absolutely brilliant, I know, but is anyone else worried his arrival is going to upset the Duff-Robben-Cole rotation on the wings? I get attached to the lads and dont want to see them leave, a la parker, but maybe given Robben's fragility, Joaquin is needed
 
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Virgo

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my bet would be that as Mourinho didn't say he was looking for an attacking midfielder, his plan is to buy a right winger and play Cole more on the middle when needed.

It was noticeable though especially in the Anfield game that when Lamps has an off day Chelsea's midfield lacks creative spark.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
With Tiago, it is all about positioning and running around the field closing down spaces with Makelele and forcing turn overs to distrbute the ball to Gudjohnsen when he players deep, who then is like Bergkamp with some slick passing he picks off Duff, Robben, Cole, Lampard or whoever is playing upfront and attacking.
 

Voltaic Borusse

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Yeah, Rosicky's been teh suck for the last 2 years now, but it's the complete opposite when he plays with his national team. I guess he feels at ease with his country-men, or has more freedom with his national team, whatever the case may be. His market value's dropped, too. You could use him as a #2 or something.
 

Crusad3r

Senior Squad
Voltaic Borusse said:
Yeah, Rosicky's been teh suck for the last 2 years now, but it's the complete opposite when he plays with his national team. I guess he feels at ease with his country-men, or has more freedom with his national team, whatever the case may be. His market value's dropped, too. You could use him as a #2 or something.


I believe he will own in La Liga in a middle team like Sevilla, Atletico Madrid, Deportivo, etc
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
The point Rob brings up about Guddy is something that puzzles me, though. If the team pursues a third midfielder, and retains the 4-3-3, then what is Eidur's role going to be? Id rather see him out there for every start if he plays as he did this season, but if, as Virgo said, Cole could be relegated into the midfield, then thats something that would leave him out in the cold, but that I would welcome. Between striker and CAM or whatever else, im sure he can get plenty of minutes

As awful as it is to say, Robben's injury issues last year were kinda positive in a way ( :nape: ) in that Joe Cole stepped in and almost immediately, the offense almost began to run through him. Before that point, Jose clearly didnt rate him that much and he was on his way, in my opinion to being sold. Now the guy has seemed to find it, and if he can become that third midfielder, and Joaquin, duffer, and robben can share the wings, then im definately all for it. Might put a clamp on Lampard's ability to go forward as much, though, if Cole is the "offensive" man in midfield, but Im not gonna get into theoretics at this point any more than I have :)
 

TheBlueBalla

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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=335658&cc=5901

Milan close in on Crespo transfer

AC Milan tonight claimed Hernan Crespo's permanent move from Chelsea could be sealed in a matter of days and possibly be followed by Kakha Kaladze moving in the opposite direction...

Amen

Del Horno would be nice, but Kaladze comes with the incentive of Crepso going out permanently. It wouldve been suicide sending him on loan for another year, with the possibility of him taking at the end of the season or getting injured, and then being a valueless 31 year old next summer. On top of that, if Kaladze comes, im sure Bridgey will be retained, and with the last bit of news, about Del Horno's agent posturing despite the club getting no offers yet (as well as his comment which upset billy gallas) this seems like the safest, best move to make.

And on a similar, and more relieving note

Inter close to tying up Veron's future


Inter Milan are confident they can complete the permanent signing of Chelsea midfielder Juan Sebastian Veron by the end of the week.
Veron joined the Nerazzurri last summer on a season-long loan deal from the Premiership champions.

'We are working to keep the player,' sporting director Marco Branca told PA International.

'Veron's situation will probably be resolved in the next few days and we are optimistic that he will stay.'

The 30-year-old Argentinian, who sealed a £15million move to Chelsea from Manchester United in 2003, has a contract with the Stamford Bridge outfit until 2007 but could now sign a three-year deal with Inter...
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=335448&cc=5901

Im not trying to sell these guys up the river, as they are players with obvious talent and had bad luck while at Chelsea which killed their opportunities, but its best for all parties that they move on (Y) If some cash can be recouped from their sale, then all the better. Im happy with the crespo deal, and glad both can move on with their careers.
 

SB9Dragon

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A 3 year deal? Oh hell no. Hopefully it doesn't happen. Let's be honest here. Veron was an integral part of the club this year but dreaming that he'd be able to play so well for 3 more years is crazy. Hopefully the other rumor of us getting him on loan for another year goes through instead. He could then head to Argentina to finish his career while the club could bring in Pizarro instead.

Though I fear he will be given a full contract. Hopefully the process doesn't include first dibs on Adriano :D
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
The other rumor is another loan season? Im wary about that for obvious reasons, as in the rumored Crespo loan extension. Im sure something sane would be negociated by inter, as in a year or two if they were to take him on fulltime, and, personally, Id like to see a player thrown in as a makeweight, and while adriano would be nice, id be perfectly happy with a guy like Emre. I think he is greatly underrated for his abilities, and I know a switch to England has been rumored for him. Andy VdM would also be alright with some cash if Joaquin doesnt sign with Chelsea.

In any event, Im just glad seba veron has found a new lease on life with Inter, and has been able to contribute. Its a shame he never found his legs in England though. Thanks for the info SB9, but which Pizarro were you referring to? Is that Claudio, as i recently remember something about him expressing a desire to play in Italy...
 

kaycee2g

Youth Team
Chelsea complete Del Horno switch

Del Horno scored Spain's winner against England earlier this year
Chelsea have completed the signing of Spain left-back Asier del Horno for £8m from Athletic Bilbao.
The 24-year-old defender has agreed a three-year deal and will officially become a Blues player on 1 July.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho said Del Horno would be a big asset in the club's pursuit of major honours.

"Asier is an outstanding international player who will add quality to the squad in a position we needed to strengthen," said Mourinho.

Chelsea have been keen to boost their options on the left side of defence.

When England international Wayne Bridge suffered a double fracture of his left ankle in February, William Gallas was forced to play out of position.

Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon told the club's website: "Jose identified his target to fill the left-back position and we're delighted Asier has chosen to come to Chelsea.

Report: Spain 1-0 England

"The arrival of Asier signifies Chelsea's desire to strengthen the squad in key positions following a hugely successful season and we all look forward to seeing Asier in the blue of Chelsea in July."

Del Horno, who came through the ranks at Bilbao, made his debut for Spain last September in a friendly against Scotland and scored the winner against England in November.
 

valioso

Fan Favourite
i hope you guys dont expect much defence from Del horno.. unless Mourinho can coach him up to it.. he loses interest in getting back and cover his area too often.. still sad to see him go, we will miss his goals against real madrid.. :ewan:
 

pede54

Team Captain

Payukgcn

Reserve Team
Lol!!

pede54 said:
Eto is staying at Barca because his wife told him to.She heard that the weather here is lousy.Average temperatures this summer in London are 88degrees farenheight.....silly cow........ :funny:

Lets see....

a lot of money.... a wife afraid of weather...:|
:|:|:|
Thats it!!!! i never gonna marry....

Hmm anyway i dont believe him, Seems like Etoo really like money...

He wanted a new contract :read:
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
Thanks for all the updates Pede, Lads

First let me say I was pumped to see the del horno transfer had been done and dusted when I opened BBC tonight. Brilliant! Of Kaladze and Del Horno, its clear who has the more talent, and the brighter future, and Chelsea got him for 8 million pounds! Id expect Chelsea would have to pay more than that, but even for a left back, in my opinion that isnt bad at all. Wasnt his buyout like 24 million Euro?? In any event, I still think Bridgey has a future at the club as he is still brilliant when fit. All in all, a great night, and I think this kid is gonna be a real hit!

So what do the other Chelsea boys think about this signing? Does it spell the end for Wayne Bridge? Will the Crespo deal still get done as planned (last I heard, a permanent switch was close, thank god)? Did anyone actually want Kaladze more, or did anyone think it was a steal?

Speak up fellas :ewan:

valioso said:
i hope you guys dont expect much defence from Del horno.. unless Mourinho can coach him up to it.. he loses interest in getting back and cover his area too often.. still sad to see him go, we will miss his goals against real madrid.. :ewan:

Thanks for the info man. I knew he was a great offensive player, and maybe he can help alleviate some of the offensive difficulties this team invariably has. Jose, for some of his, err, insensitivity when dealing with players he really doesnt like or doesnt want (Mutu [yes, im still defending him :p] and Parker are two names) the case of Joe Cole has shown that when a player has towed the managers line and displayed comittment and improvement, they can really excell. Hopefully that will be Del Horno's tale from the get go.

And dont worry about his record against Madrid. Hopefully, he will be scoring plenty against them in the CL (H)

Oh, and BFS, about Poldoski, I dont know the first thing about him, other than he looks and sounds like a large lad. Does he play like a drogba/crouch type, as a big target up front? Personally, I think the type of forward needed is the Owen/Torres type who is crafty and quick, rather than the Kezman poacher type. I believe an Owen or a Torres would compliment Drogba greatly and allow Chelsea to try a sucessful 4-4-2, if need be.

Payukgcn said:
Lets see....

a lot of money.... a wife afraid of weather...:|
:|:|:|
Thats it!!!! i never gonna marry....

Hmm anyway i dont believe him, Seems like Etoo really like money...

He wanted a new contract :read:

The last line is bolded because thats what I felt about this story too. If its true, and Chelsea actually bid on this scum, then im ashamed that they would. He showed his true colors, and they were every bad stereotype of the spoiled, petulant footballer all in one. I dont think anyone ever really wanted him at Chelsea, his record and talent be damned. To use an old line, his mouth is writing cheques his body cant cash, and at Chelsea its Jose's way or the highway. No room for guys like him.

Plus, if thats true, hes a pussy-whipped bitch like Crespo (H)
 
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