Yeah, Blackburn are one of them sides closing the gap between the top four and the rest of the premiership. Chelsea are still drawing with half an hour to go, they might have to grind this one out like we had to against Everton earlier in the day. Malouda and Mikel have been introduced. Malouda should add a spark, and could possibly provide the winner. Kalou just scored but a harsh offside was given.
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Chelsea F.C [2007-2008] Thread
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Kulixs;2401271 said:
For "harsh offside", read non fu<kin' existant offside.
FFS when are these dreadful mistakes from officials
gonna stop????? The linesman was at least 20 yards behind play when he raised his flag. There is no way on this Earth that he could have judged anything. Fu<kin' daylight robbery. Hope the linesman gets a suspension.
I know about karma and I know about "what comes around goes around", but the advantage we got from bad officiating at Liverpool, has already been repaid by us this season twice over, so the less said about that the better.
We were dominant and spent the second half trying to break down their 11 man defence. Rovers came for a draw, played negative football and celebrated at the end like they won the FA Cup.
If only teams would be a little more adventurous, like Villa last week. They reaped a victory by coming at us. I'd prefer that to spending 45 minutes watching 11 men defending. Ah well I guess a team should always play to their strengths, although I thought Rovers would offer more than they did today.
Friedel played a blinder. Sheva looked dodgy.
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I hear you Pede, That was a very awful call. Hell I'm not even a chelsea fan but I was throwing every obscene word that I could come up with to that Linesman. Truly Pathetic.. But what is done is done, no point in wasting time on it. Only thing to do is to look forward to the next game.
SHeva indeed look dodgy, truly feel for him. I am really hoping he finds his game real soon, for his sake.
SHeva indeed look dodgy, truly feel for him. I am really hoping he finds his game real soon, for his sake.
MaestroZidane;2401359 said:
Yup, you're right of course mate, its history now I guess.
I feel the same way about Sheva too. He needs to play more from now on if he is ever gonna have a chance to blend into the team. He had his chances today though but sadly didn't find the net. He'll get better. He has to.
yeahh Sheva really played awful which no blame can be put on him, his 1st game of the new season comes after an international break... I would like to see Sheva back in against Rosenberg and have him back, Maybe try Pizzaro and Sheva , i think it'll work. But todays game was really bad, not by Chelsea but by Howard Webb and his damn officiating crew. Webb called all the little touch fouls which slowed th egame for BOTH sides. Belletti was sensational, now those haters who were laughin at this signing can keep their mouthshut, this guys quality, Malouda was okayyy, Joe Cole was the best player on the pitch it seems like he'll regain his starting spot over SWP .. Sidwell was clueless actually.
yeah, feel sorry for Sidwell, he doesn't know where he stands in the team to be honest, i think it might have suited him more to play as holding midfielder cause he looked clueless going forward, Belletti is our 1st choice right-back as things go, he was sensational going forward and had a decent game handling Pedersen....
Sheva looked dodgy but u can't blame him...1st game of the season, just back from International duty, i hope Jose sticks with him for the next few games to see if he can blend into the team....
Its obvious that we missed Lamps.....The majority of our corners and free kicks were horrible to say the least, SWP looked tired.....Kalou overdribbled for me at times....Like pede said the linesman robbed us 3 points, I liked the bit where Mourinho showed the small screen to 4th official to prove it wasn't offside.......that gave me a laugh despite my frustration lolz
Btw, nasty incident in the end, hopefully Samba is alright....
Sheva looked dodgy but u can't blame him...1st game of the season, just back from International duty, i hope Jose sticks with him for the next few games to see if he can blend into the team....
Its obvious that we missed Lamps.....The majority of our corners and free kicks were horrible to say the least, SWP looked tired.....Kalou overdribbled for me at times....Like pede said the linesman robbed us 3 points, I liked the bit where Mourinho showed the small screen to 4th official to prove it wasn't offside.......that gave me a laugh despite my frustration lolz
Btw, nasty incident in the end, hopefully Samba is alright....
Up to now, Sheva has not been used as a lone striker. What Jose likes to do with players, whoever they are, is toget through to them that each individual plays for the team. There's no room for ego's and superstars if the team ethos suffers. I think that he feels, especially with players like Sheva who is a superstar, that they need to be played in certain positions and under strict direction to emphasise to them how important the team ethos is. This must be very frustrating for some players who have been used to doing their thing on the pitch.
Take SWP for instance. He came to Chelsea already being lauded as one of England brightest prospects. As SWP has said, Jose saw that he could play but he needed to learn discipline, patience and to understand the team ethos. Bit by bit, SWP has listened and learned from Jose and his willingness to learn has finally paid off. If you see SWP play now, he not only plays his normal game but his defensive abilities have improved 100%, and his contribution as part of a team is obvious. Its taken Shawn 2 years to get this far at Chelsea but now we are beginning to see the new SWP, confident in his own ability and also aware that he plays for the team as a whole.
I think that Sheva is now going through the same thing with Jose. We all expected Sheva to take to the pitch, wait for the ball and score goal after goal. We all want that of course, including Jose, but before Sheva can be let loose I believe that Jose has decided that he needs to be enlightened to the way things happen at Chelsea. I expected Sheva being asked to play like this, and Ballack to a certain extent, to throw a wobbly and ask to leave. They haven't done that and I think that is a big sign that they are willing to listen and learn even at this stage of their career. That is the first big test and although I still aint sure about Ballack, Sheva has said that he believes that Jose's coaching will make him a better all round player.
Sometimes I wish that Jose would just put a player on the pitch and let him do his thing, but that's not Jose's way. Everything on the pitch has to work to a plan and he insists that all 11 players stick to that plan. If they do not, then we see Jose take off one or two players, whoever they are, and replace them. Not so much because they are not performing very well but simply because they are not following instructions.
This all worked well in the long run for SWP, and I believe that if a player really wants to suceed at Chelsea then they must show the same determination to learn as SWP. Sidwell is in that position right now. Jose, over time will improve this boy 1000%. One of the reasons he was brought to Chelsea was because Jose could see that with the right coaching Sidwell , even though he is a rather raw talent at the moment, will benefit from all that Jose can teach him. Maybe it will take another 2 years to get him there but these things do take time.
I think Sheva will be fine but if people expect to see him play for us like he did for Milan then they will be dissapointed. Things are done differently here and once Sheva has grasped the important things that Jose needs him to understand, his confidence will return and he will fit in very well indeed.
I must admit though that it's getting a little frustrating at times waiting for Jose's master plan to come to fruition, but what can we do about it? Not a lot apart from supporting the team at every opportunity and believing in the future.
Take SWP for instance. He came to Chelsea already being lauded as one of England brightest prospects. As SWP has said, Jose saw that he could play but he needed to learn discipline, patience and to understand the team ethos. Bit by bit, SWP has listened and learned from Jose and his willingness to learn has finally paid off. If you see SWP play now, he not only plays his normal game but his defensive abilities have improved 100%, and his contribution as part of a team is obvious. Its taken Shawn 2 years to get this far at Chelsea but now we are beginning to see the new SWP, confident in his own ability and also aware that he plays for the team as a whole.
I think that Sheva is now going through the same thing with Jose. We all expected Sheva to take to the pitch, wait for the ball and score goal after goal. We all want that of course, including Jose, but before Sheva can be let loose I believe that Jose has decided that he needs to be enlightened to the way things happen at Chelsea. I expected Sheva being asked to play like this, and Ballack to a certain extent, to throw a wobbly and ask to leave. They haven't done that and I think that is a big sign that they are willing to listen and learn even at this stage of their career. That is the first big test and although I still aint sure about Ballack, Sheva has said that he believes that Jose's coaching will make him a better all round player.
Sometimes I wish that Jose would just put a player on the pitch and let him do his thing, but that's not Jose's way. Everything on the pitch has to work to a plan and he insists that all 11 players stick to that plan. If they do not, then we see Jose take off one or two players, whoever they are, and replace them. Not so much because they are not performing very well but simply because they are not following instructions.
This all worked well in the long run for SWP, and I believe that if a player really wants to suceed at Chelsea then they must show the same determination to learn as SWP. Sidwell is in that position right now. Jose, over time will improve this boy 1000%. One of the reasons he was brought to Chelsea was because Jose could see that with the right coaching Sidwell , even though he is a rather raw talent at the moment, will benefit from all that Jose can teach him. Maybe it will take another 2 years to get him there but these things do take time.
I think Sheva will be fine but if people expect to see him play for us like he did for Milan then they will be dissapointed. Things are done differently here and once Sheva has grasped the important things that Jose needs him to understand, his confidence will return and he will fit in very well indeed.
I must admit though that it's getting a little frustrating at times waiting for Jose's master plan to come to fruition, but what can we do about it? Not a lot apart from supporting the team at every opportunity and believing in the future.
lol you got a you tube of that?
I really cant understand how sheva as a player has changed so much? to be honest I've not seen him play much at Chelsea or previous club/country. But from what I've gathered he's gone from european player of the year, one of the best... to how he preforms at Chelsea. Was he really that good? Is he really playing that badly? how many goals did he score last season? how many assists etc.
A lot of questions I know, just curious if someone wouldn't mind humouring me.
I really cant understand how sheva as a player has changed so much? to be honest I've not seen him play much at Chelsea or previous club/country. But from what I've gathered he's gone from european player of the year, one of the best... to how he preforms at Chelsea. Was he really that good? Is he really playing that badly? how many goals did he score last season? how many assists etc.
A lot of questions I know, just curious if someone wouldn't mind humouring me.
Jose was using that analogy to describe Chelsea's injury problems. He hasn't "lost it" as some would hope. This is his usual style.
What he said........
Chelsea face Norwegian side Rosenborg in their Group B opener at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday night with the English side favourites to make short work of their opponents.
But injuries to Ivorian striker Didier Drogba and England midfielder Frank Lampard will again rob the Blues of an attacking edge that saw the pair contribute more than 50 goals last season.
Mourinho's side have failed to hit the net in their last two league games but Chelsea's Portuguese coach maintains it is important his side remain committed to playing attractive, stylish football.
However, in a typically bizarre analogy, Mourinho admits that without his best players, it is like trying to make an omelette without the best eggs money can buy.
Mourinho declared: "The style of how we play is very important. But it is omelettes and eggs. No eggs - no omelettes! It depends on the quality of the eggs.
"In the supermarket you have class one, two or class three eggs and some are more expensive than others and some give you better omelettes.
"So when the class one eggs are in Waitrose and you cannot go there, you have a problem.
"When you have Drogba, Lampard, Michael Ballack and Ricardo Carvalho injured you are speaking about 40% of the team. You are speaking about the spine of the team - one central defender, two midfield players and one striker.
"After that you go to Claudio Pizarro. He is the second target man on the team and should be the direct replacement for Drogba. He is out too. But Wayne Bridge is also out and so Ashley Cole is the only left-back we have.
"He is playing games, every minute for Chelsea and the national team. The problem is not the number of injuries but which players they are and their importance for the team.
"That is the problem. In this moment when you speak about Lampard and Drogba, you are speaking about more than 50% of the goals the team scores.
"They are important injuries for us. That is the reality. I don't want to cry about it. I want to work with the players I have available, try to play the best and try to get results."
Makes sense to me. I don't see the problem. Quite similar to Cantona's seagulls and trawlers analogy really.
What he said........
Chelsea face Norwegian side Rosenborg in their Group B opener at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday night with the English side favourites to make short work of their opponents.
But injuries to Ivorian striker Didier Drogba and England midfielder Frank Lampard will again rob the Blues of an attacking edge that saw the pair contribute more than 50 goals last season.
Mourinho's side have failed to hit the net in their last two league games but Chelsea's Portuguese coach maintains it is important his side remain committed to playing attractive, stylish football.
However, in a typically bizarre analogy, Mourinho admits that without his best players, it is like trying to make an omelette without the best eggs money can buy.
Mourinho declared: "The style of how we play is very important. But it is omelettes and eggs. No eggs - no omelettes! It depends on the quality of the eggs.
"In the supermarket you have class one, two or class three eggs and some are more expensive than others and some give you better omelettes.
"So when the class one eggs are in Waitrose and you cannot go there, you have a problem.
"When you have Drogba, Lampard, Michael Ballack and Ricardo Carvalho injured you are speaking about 40% of the team. You are speaking about the spine of the team - one central defender, two midfield players and one striker.
"After that you go to Claudio Pizarro. He is the second target man on the team and should be the direct replacement for Drogba. He is out too. But Wayne Bridge is also out and so Ashley Cole is the only left-back we have.
"He is playing games, every minute for Chelsea and the national team. The problem is not the number of injuries but which players they are and their importance for the team.
"That is the problem. In this moment when you speak about Lampard and Drogba, you are speaking about more than 50% of the goals the team scores.
"They are important injuries for us. That is the reality. I don't want to cry about it. I want to work with the players I have available, try to play the best and try to get results."
Makes sense to me. I don't see the problem. Quite similar to Cantona's seagulls and trawlers analogy really.
adedawson;2402579 said:
He has scored 14 times in 51 appearences since he came to Chelsea. To be honest he was injured when he arrived and took most of the last season recovering from that injury.
He is one of four strikers at Chelsea and he certainly aint striker number 1. All Jose can do is give him his chances to play and if he doesn't perform then his chances will get less and less.
I know it was explained to Sheva that we would not use him in the same way as MIlan did. We do not need a goalhanger who scores goals and does nothing else. Jose insists that all 11 players on the pitch play for each other and support each other. The sooner Sheva decides whether he can adjust to being a team member the better, otherwise he will simply rot on the bench.
Some people have said that Sheva should just be left alone to do what he pleases on the pitch. I suppose that there is a chance that he could be successful doing that, but there is no way Jose will have a player on the pitch who isn't following his instructions.
Strangly enough, its not Sheva who has a problem with what Jose wants from him. He has said that he understands and is willing to play his part. It's other people who are making a big deal out of Sheva's situation. Other NON-CHELSEA people. I don't think anyone really cares what they think about anything.
For sure Sheva is finding the EPL very hard. It's completely different to Serie A, and his role at Chelsea is very different from his role at Milan, but the guy aint stupid even if he is a slow learner. So, he'll either settle in and be great or he will continue to dissapoint.
It's still early days this season. Sheva has played one game. Does anyone really think that one game is enough to judge a player of Sheva's undoubtable ability?
As Steve Clark said
"He's got to wait for his opportunity and, when he gets it, he has to take it,that's the situation with a lot of players at the club.
Didier is the striker, Claudio Pizarro has done very well while Kalou played the first game against Birmingham and I thought he was probably our best, more exciting and dangerous player.
So there are another three strikers there as well as Shevchenko."
1-1 draw 
.... well the game was s**t , yes we had like 30 shots but only like 5 of them were on target (2 hit the post) which is a terrible ratio. Drogba, Lamps, Carvalho not thier but we still have enought world class talent to beat them atleast 3-1 . Very dissappointed, im speakin off alot of frustration here, i think we shoulda won 3 -1 but wasted chances makes it harder , it was a very frustrating game. Im wondering why we didnt play the 4-3-3, Malouda/Cole, Sheva, Kalou upfront with Essien, Mikel, Malouda/Cole and the usual 4 in the back. Hopefully we find our feet , im glad SHEVAA scored tho, he deserves it and to me he was the best player on the pitch, unselfish, scored the goal, i wished hed taken more shots. Essien was okay, on and off, Maks wasnt bad, Kalou reallly needs to learn how to finish
AND wattts up with the attendance only 24,000+ thats awful even if we playin Rosenberg
.... well the game was s**t , yes we had like 30 shots but only like 5 of them were on target (2 hit the post) which is a terrible ratio. Drogba, Lamps, Carvalho not thier but we still have enought world class talent to beat them atleast 3-1 . Very dissappointed, im speakin off alot of frustration here, i think we shoulda won 3 -1 but wasted chances makes it harder , it was a very frustrating game. Im wondering why we didnt play the 4-3-3, Malouda/Cole, Sheva, Kalou upfront with Essien, Mikel, Malouda/Cole and the usual 4 in the back. Hopefully we find our feet , im glad SHEVAA scored tho, he deserves it and to me he was the best player on the pitch, unselfish, scored the goal, i wished hed taken more shots. Essien was okay, on and off, Maks wasnt bad, Kalou reallly needs to learn how to finishAND wattts up with the attendance only 24,000+ thats awful even if we playin Rosenberg
pede54;2402799 said:
interesting... ty for that. One other question... hows he been playing for his country?
Just watching the highlights from the game now, early on shev had a good chance, was close to scoring, he looked good... and wow as I type this hes just scored. I was about to say hes looking hungry.
From a non biased view lets hope he continues to put them away. As a man u supporter I hope he doesn't :amika:
Weird as a continue to type the highlights are showing more action from sheva, hes looked good over the few minutes i've been watching.... and shev again. Hes looking dangerous.
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