Carragher out for six months.....

[shokz]

Souness is a bastard.

I hope United will thrash Blackburn on Carraghers behalf.

2 monthes from now that is.

http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=163894&cpid=8&title=Souness+wants+Houllier+apology

 

[Bobby]

Souness doesn't care...he hates everyone.

When are you people gonna learn that?

sucks about that injury tho, hope he can regain full fitness when he comes back...thats terrible, a break of any kind is.

 

[Gerrard 17]

not related to this, but I don't want to open another Liverpool thread

Cheyrou determined to shine for Reds
Bruno Cheyrou is determined to dig in and turn his Liverpool career around after a poor start at Anfield.


Bruno Cheyrou: Point to prove (JohnWalton/Empics)
The French midfielder has struggled to reproduce his best form in the Premiership. But he insists he will get it right once he has fully recovered from a niggling back injury.

'I never doubted myself but I have to admit it wasn't easy for me last year,' he told the club website. 'I didn't think it would take me so long to adapt to the league and to such a big club like Liverpool.

'I know that after a bad season you need to prove you are able to play here and to prove you can give something to the team.

'I worked hard in France before pre-season started and then worked very hard when we came back to Melwood.

'Now it's a new season and a new start for me. I've been unlucky to have some back trouble over the last few weeks but hopefully that can be sorted out.

'I want to be able to give what I gave to the team during pre-season. You will definitely see the best of Bruno Cheyrou this year.'

 

[John_Arne_Riise]

Well in my opinion, i think that Neill's tackle was definately reckless, but at the same time he wasn't going into purposely hurt Carragher, it was just unfortunate that Carra was in the motion of passing the ball when his leg was clattered by the studs of Neill's boot.

Its just unlucky that Carra has such a long lay off with a sickening injury, but these things happen. Dont get me wrong i feel for the guy and we will definately miss him at LB or RB.

If theres anyone that got off lightly, its Roy Keane with his atrocious tackle on Haaland. His tackle was laid with intention of injuring, and i dont think the boy has played a game since, or has he?

On Riise, yes i will agree to the point that his performances have been disappointing to say the least, but he's got the chance to prove himself with Carra out. And i wouldnt mind seeing Vignal getting a run if Riise continues his current form.

 

[John_Arne_Riise]

Originally posted by MastaLFC
not related to this, but I don't want to open another Liverpool thread

Cheyrou determined to shine for Reds
Bruno Cheyrou is determined to dig in and turn his Liverpool career around after a poor start at Anfield.


Bruno Cheyrou: Point to prove (JohnWalton/Empics)
The French midfielder has struggled to reproduce his best form in the Premiership. But he insists he will get it right once he has fully recovered from a niggling back injury.

'I never doubted myself but I have to admit it wasn't easy for me last year,' he told the club website. 'I didn't think it would take me so long to adapt to the league and to such a big club like Liverpool.

'I know that after a bad season you need to prove you are able to play here and to prove you can give something to the team.

'I worked hard in France before pre-season started and then worked very hard when we came back to Melwood.

'Now it's a new season and a new start for me. I've been unlucky to have some back trouble over the last few weeks but hopefully that can be sorted out.

'I want to be able to give what I gave to the team during pre-season. You will definitely see the best of Bruno Cheyrou this year.'

i like Cheyrou, i think he has fantastic skills, but he just seems to go invisible at times in games. I thought he played ok against Chelsea, i'd like to see him get more of a run but i seriously think that his team mates dont like him, they dont seem to pass to him at all.

 

[mufc_daddy]

What really annoys me is that Carragher misses pretty much the whole season and will miss the oppurtunity to try and challenge for a place in the squad for Euro 2004. Where Neill will miss 3 games or so. I think a new rule should be implemented that makes you miss the same amount of time as the player you deliberately injured.

Of course arguments will occur betwenn Club and FA so it will never happen. But something has to be done.

 

[monkee]

Keane on Haaland first, even though we've discussed it to death, it's been proven that Keane's tackle did not inflict the current injury on Haaland. End of.

Right, back to Carragher. I don't see why Souness and Neill should have apologised straight after the game. Neill's challenge was reckless but his intent was not spite or to hurt Carragher is was a piss poor challenge to win the ball, we see that often, Stevie G's on Naysmith was malicious and warranted a full immediate apology. I'd say exactly the same in any situation.

It was not known that Carragher had broken his leg until later on Sunday as well. I think that Neill has apologised for causing the injury, if he hasn't then he definately should. Souness has no case to answer for, he didn't break Carragher's leg and is defending his own player. Houllier is overreacting (as you'd expect a manager to in defense of their own player).

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

even the blackburn fans positively cringed from watching neill's challenge. when ya have a tackle that goes thru the shinpads and right thru the bone, ya dun need to put it down to intent or otherwise, the sheer force itself and the realization that yer challenge couldve put out a fellow pro out of his career would immediately warrant an apology on yer part. dya have to need to break a bone or two and to be crippled for yer fellow pro to come and say his apologies? its a bleeding wonder we had scores of blackburn fans come in at the offal forums to apologize for that tackle and their own player's and gaffer's lack of respect and manners.

why should souness defend his player when the latter is obviously in the wrong? any manager should have condemned that type of a challenge and given his own a right bollocking and come out and said that he'd not condone such an act. how is ged overrreacting when his player's career couldve been put to an end right in front of him?

 

[antithesis]

if it were an Arsenal player, i'd be upset, but since it's not I CAN BE MORE OBJECTIVE.

No player on earth wants to fracture another players leg. I feel safe in saying that...........it's like bowling a bouncer, you wouldn't mind hitting the chap but you don't want him to collapse.
Neil clearly wanted to whack the guy, and to me he was probably in shock at how forceful he made contact.
Souness,( and I know many of you have never seen him play, but I have), will never apologise immediately. This guy makes Gentile look like a ballerina. This guy is one of the most intimidating midfielders ever. He was not going to apologise immediately, and I suspect he ensured his player didn't either.

Somewhere between Souness biding time, I suspect lawyers came into the picture, and the LPool fans have got to appreciate this.........no responsible attorney will allow Neil to apologise or make any self-incriminating comment without examining possible liability.
They probably cleared him and Lpool got their apology.

You can't blame LPool for being upset and I know Houllier felt like crap when Souness inferred he wasn't a top player so he wouldn't understand, but that's Souness for you.
No LPool fan complained when he was inspiring them to Championships, so don't pretend as if you lot didn't know he was always known as a butcher in a top-hat.

This may be a good thing for LPool because it will inspire them I think.

 

[Neutral LFC]

Originally posted by monkee
What you're talking about with the car analogy is intent. I think you'll find that if someone accidentally knocks someone down then the most they'd normally get is a dangerous driving conviction if they are at fault (the punishment might be a bit more severe if the person has died but for injury I don't think there's much difference - besides Carragher's hardly dead). I don't actually think that Neill intended to break Carragher's leg, and I feel the same about some of Gerrard's wild ones. He went in wildly and will pick up deserved a suspension.

But I still believe the intent was to HURT Carragher - perhaps not to break his leg, but you cannot say that Neil's tackle was a genuine attempt to win the ball. Both Neill and Gerrard (in his tackle against Naysmith) wanted to HURT the opposition, the difference now is in the outcome.

I'm talking about intent vs. outcome. Let's say Person A wants to KILL person B and so Person A shoots person B, however person B SURVIVES the gunshot.

Person C shoots Person D but Person D DIES.

Do person C and A get the SAME punishment?

Both had the same intent (to kill someone, but intent can also be to hurt someone), but Person C actually killed someone and Person A didn't. Person C's lawyer can't go "hey, you can't charge my client for murder, because Person A did the exact same thing and he's not being tried for murder!!!"

Gerrard went into hurt Naysmith, Neill went in to hurt Carragher - the difference is that Carragher's leg is now broken and Naysmith did not suffer any injury.

If you dislike the extreme analogy between injuries and death, just look at theft - Person A tries to rob a bank but fails, person C tries to rob a bank and succeeds. Do they get equal charges and equal punishment? No, A get's attempted robbery, and C get's robbery.

EDIT: A real life analogy - in the U.S. some guy shot an abortion doctor in the shoulder area and the doctor ended up dying. The shooter said he was just trying to 'scare' the doctor - needless to say he was not tried with simply 'Assault with a deadly weapon' - he frickin' KILLED someone! Just because he didn't INTEND to kill the doctor doesn't change the fact that he DID!

Just because Neill didn't INTEND to break Carragher's leg doesn't change the fact that he DID!

Say I get into a fight with someone and punch them in the face and they get a bloody nose. Say someone else does the same thing but this time the punch to the nose ends up crushing the nasal cartilage in a ****ed up way and the person dies. Should I and the guy who killed someone (accidentally nor not) get the SAME punishment? I mean, we had the same intent (to hurt someone) - just like Neill and Gerrard wanted to hurt someone - but one guy is now dead and the other just has a bloody nose.

Antithesis,

Yes, Souness as a player was a frickin' legend and that's why I'd never jeer him on the touchline, but as a manager he was an asshole and while I cannot speak for the rest of the Liverpool fans here, most of the Liverpool fans I know dislike him because of how he sold his story to The Sun when he was manager. The Sun being a paper that told those awful lies after Hillsborough and is still boycotted by most Liverpool fans - but Souness was not sensitive to this at all.

 

[Amika]

Carragher set for new deal

Liverpool boss Gerard Houllier has promised Jamie Carragher a new contract will be on the table by the time he has recovered from a broken leg.
The 25-year-old defender is out until at least February after suffering his injury following a controversial tackle from Blackburn's Lucas Neill.

Carragher has 18 months left on his contract, and while talks are planned with Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard, he is also a priority.

Houllier said: "I don't like to talk about individual contracts, but Jamie knows what we think of him and you can be sure he will be looked after.

"When we want a player to stay and the player wants to stay, this club has always found a solution. I think it's fair to say Jamie falls into that category.

"You can take it by the time Jamie is back to full fitness there will be a new contract for him. He loves this club and we appreciate what he does for us."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/3131328.stm

 

[mitchell_mufc]

well done lucus about time an Aussie showed some fight n the game.

 

[Budge]

Originally posted by mitchell_mufc
well done lucus about time an Aussie showed some fight n the game.

u are a dickhead, im an aussie and im certainly not proud of that kind of ****, sickening it was...

 

[finger]

What about Tiatto going in studs first on the players groin?

And Viduka having his occasional skitz attack.

And Muscat....well just being Muscat.

No other Aussies who show some mean spirit...that I can think of.

 

[Amika]

Originally posted by mitchell_mufc
well done lucus about time an Aussie showed some fight n the game.

you're sick.. go see some doctor...

 

[Neutral LFC]

Originally posted by mitchell_mufc
well done lucus about time an Aussie showed some fight n the game.

LOL

All you United fans cry when Keown bumps RvN's head and he gets pushed around a bit. I can only imagine what the reaction would be if Lucas Neill broke RvN's leg instead of Carragher's......

 

[yim87]

Originally posted by mitchell_mufc
well done lucus about time an Aussie showed some fight n the game.

ur patriotism for ur country is truly admirable.. but ur state of mind.. is erm.. *lost for words*

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

....well and truly fucked

 

[monkee]

If a tackle like that had come in and broke Ruud's leg I don't think I'd be calling for a long-term ban on the player, as I think you saw when Aldo Duscher broke Beckham's metarsal in 2002 (and it was the English fans and press that overreacted more that time than United fans as well if memory serves me correctly - and Ferguson never called for a lengthy ban). If, on the other hand, it was a tackle like Keane did to Haaland then I would think that a lengthier ban than the 3 games you get for a straight red would be justified... Anyway, I think we agree to disagree on that issue so it's best let lie.

...but first... hehe... If Neill had acted in a way like Lauren, Keown and Vieira, et al the other day then you wouldn't see any arguments from me against a longer ban neither. Even if it had been on Michael Owen.

...oh, and congrats to Carragher for getting an extension on his contract. Question is, will the club fling the money in coin form at him, or will it go straight into his account? j/k (before I get flamed :nervousshiftyeyedsmiley: )

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

Originally posted by monkee
...oh, and congrats to Carragher for getting an extension on his contract. Question is, will the club fling the money in coin form at him, or will it go straight into his account? j/k

*shrieks and lunges at monkee with a kungfu tackle courtesy of the bootle boys*