Carragher out for six months.....

[Amika]

now lucas neill you have made my day... you this bastard!!! carragher will be out for six months now...

Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher has been ruled out of action for six months with a broken leg.
Carragher was forced off after a tackle by Blackburn's Lucas Neill that led to a red card for the Rovers player in Liverpool's 3-1 win at Ewood Park.

The club have confirmed an X-ray showed the England international has broken his right leg and will be out of action until next year.

The news comes as a double blow to manager Gerard Houllier, who will also be without Milan Baros until the New Year after he suffered a broken ankle after falling awkwardly against Rovers.

Liverpool spokesman Ian Cotton told the club's website: "Jamie Carragher left the stadium on crutches and was seen by our club doctor on Sunday.

"Unfortunately an X-Ray has revealed he has broken his leg and the awful news for everyone at the club is that Jamie will be out for up to six months.

"We also expect Milan Baros to be unavailable until the New Year. Milan had a two-hour operation on Saturday night which went very well.

"He has had a plate inserted in his ankle but he's not expected back until next year."

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[Haukur Gudnason]

There are football injuries a lá Baros, and there are downright lunatic challenges like Neill's. The distinction is clear, however, that Neill was extremely reckless, and due to that recklessness has seriously injured a fellow pro.

If you were to liken it to dangerous driving, what Neill did would have put him in prison. IMO a five match ban is laughable. Maybe when a player fouls another player that directly causes that player to be out injured for a period of time,the ban served should be proportional to the length of the injury lay off.

 

[Amika]

Originally posted by Haukur Gudnason
There are football injuries a lá Baros, and there are downright lunatic challenges like Neill's. The distinction is clear, however, that Neill was extremely reckless, and due to that recklessness has seriously injured a fellow pro.

If you were to liken it to dangerous driving, what Neill did would have put him in prison. IMO a five match ban is laughable. Maybe when a player fouls another player that directly causes that player to be out injured for a period of time,the ban served should be proportional to the length of the injury lay off.

i agreed... he or anyone that do such reckless tackle should served a longer ban....

 

[Dom]

well done lucas neil! finally some one has hurt jamie carragher!

im not a liverpool fan but maybe they can do somit in the league with him in the defence!


finnan hyppia henchoz riise


alot better back line with out him?????????

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

at first glance, having 2 attacking fullbacks is something which i have always wanted tried out for an extended period...but carra has been immense in defence of late and riise, having to predominantly defend at leftback, hasnt been convincing. carra has worked on and improved much in his attacking play since finnan's arrival whilst keeping his defending rock solid, and then some. he brings heart and passion to the team and it rubs off on his mates, and he never never gives less than 100%. i wouldnae say the defence is better off with him out.

 

[Neutral LFC]

Can we, would we, recall Vignal from his loan team? The thought of Traore at left back (when Riise's not there) scares the sh!t out of me.....

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

i was thinking the same mate...vignal was class up till his injury last season and then he just couldnt break into the team but he had a geat preseason and i was puzzled as to why the gaffer loaned him out. i would however love to see the new lads promoted from the academy like otsemobor and zak whitbread given a chance should *again fingers crossed* JAR picks up a bad knock or two. putting djimi there would be a horrendous decision IMO

 

[Amika]

Originally posted by Neutral LFC


Can we, would we, recall Vignal from his loan team? The thought of Traore at left back (when Riise's not there) scares the sh!t out of me.....

no!!!!! not traore.... may god help us....

 

[champdave]

Originally posted by Dom
well done lucas neil! finally some one has hurt jamie carragher!

im not a liverpool fan but maybe they can do somit in the league with him in the defence!


finnan hyppia henchoz riise


alot better back line with out him?????????

The first bit is a disgrace

Carra was playing brilliantly, and as Hakur said, he has worked on his attack. Why does everyone want Riise out? He kicks arse! But I would prefer to see him in Midfield and carra in defence, and I would like to see Whitbread or a lad from the acadamy bought in for the experience. From what I've seen of Whitbread, he's an exceptional young defender.

Not traore! He is OK sometimes, bit prone to the odd mistake.
He's good on CM4, shame not in real life

 

[Amika]

Liverpool boss Gerard Houllier has branded Lucas Neill a "coward" after Jamie Carragher broke his leg following the Blackburn defender's two-footed challenge.
Neill was given a straight red card for the tackle during Liverpool's bad-tempered encounter with Blackburn on Saturday.

An x-ray confirmed that Carragher had broken his right leg and would be out of action until next year.

Houllier, who also saw Milan Baros stretchered off in the same game with a broken ankle, condemned the challenge.

"To me, it was a coward's challenge and the player's reaction was appalling," he said.

"He was complaining about being sent off as he left the pitch.

"I'm gutted for Jamie. He won't be able to play for six months. Neill will be back after three games.

"I can imagine what Graeme Souness would have been saying if one of his players had their leg broken in a similar way."

Blackburn manager Souness and Houllier were involved in a number of heated exchanges throughout the game.

Baros was hurt following an innocuous tackle by former Liverpool team-mate Markus Babbel, who is on loan at Blackburn.

Liverpool spokesman Ian Cotton told the Liverpool website: "We expect Milan Baros to be unavailable until the new year. Milan had a two-hour operation on Saturday night which went very well.

"He has had a plate inserted in his ankle but he's not expected back until next year."

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[Alistair]

Damn, this is quite a big blow for liverpool... he was also one of my defenders in EPL fantasy.. now i'll have to replace him

 

[monkee]

As I said in the other thread and using an example of a Liverpool player as the thread is about Liverpool, Gerrard has made many, many challenges of similar or sometimes greater recklessness as the one made by Neill on Saturday. That is not to say that it is right, and a ban for the red card is fully deserved, but you cannot put extra punishment on a player because the player on the receiving end has a broken leg. Gerrard has been lucky not to break many players' legs in his time, and a more severe punishment was called for at the time and was not given, so it can't be given now.

 

[Amika]

Originally posted by monkee
As I said in the other thread and using an example of a Liverpool player as the thread is about Liverpool, Gerrard has made many, many challenges of similar or sometimes greater recklessness as the one made by Neill on Saturday. That is not to say that it is right, and a ban for the red card is fully deserved, but you cannot put extra punishment on a player because the player on the receiving end has a broken leg. Gerrard has been lucky not to break many players' legs in his time, and a more severe punishment was called for at the time and was not given, so it can't be given now.

true... stevie G ain't an angel either... and he is damn lucky to get away with so many reckless tackle...

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

true mate..i posted abt that at centrespot -------->

That really is terrible news for Jamie and just when he's hitting the best form of his career. He's been solid as a rock this season and we'll miss him. Reds fans should all come down off our horse of high here though. Terrible as Neill's tackle was that inflicted the appalling injury on Carra it was no worse than some Stevie G's thrown in over the past couple of years or so. I'm not having a moan or having a go - I love Steve's commitment but we have to be honest and say it's only by the grace of God that nobody, especailly Naysmith at Anfield last season, has been seriously injured in one of those tackles

 

[Neutral LFC]

Originally posted by monkee
As I said in the other thread and using an example of a Liverpool player as the thread is about Liverpool, Gerrard has made many, many challenges of similar or sometimes greater recklessness as the one made by Neill on Saturday. That is not to say that it is right, and a ban for the red card is fully deserved, but you cannot put extra punishment on a player because the player on the receiving end has a broken leg. Gerrard has been lucky not to break many players' legs in his time, and a more severe punishment was called for at the time and was not given, so it can't be given now.

While I agree that Stevie G often tackles like a moron (I mentioned earlier in the season that he could have broken a Villa player's leg on opening day) I disagree that you cannot give extra punishment on a player because the player on the recieving end has a broken leg.

Other sports, I'm thinking of Ice Hockey here, have rulings like that - if you check someone from behind into the boards the severity of the suspension (which you get either way) depends a lot on the severity of the other person's injury.

Isn't that how the law in society works? I mean you try to run over someone with your car and they're not dead, just badly injured then it's 'attempted' murder. If you try to run someone over in your car the exact same way but this time you end up killing them, it's murder.

So we can say that other players have 'attempted' to break other players' legs with crazy flying tackles, and therefore have been banned, but perhaps Neill should be banned for longer because he DID end up breaking someone's leg.

I'm not too sure everyone would be okay with the logic of same motive, same punishment (regardless of crime) if it was Henry, Owen, or Van Nistelroy on the recieving end of a broken leg.

 

[monkee]

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
Isn't that how the law in society works? I mean you try to run over someone with your car and they're not dead, just badly injured then it's 'attempted' murder. If you try to run someone over in your car the exact same way but this time you end up killing them, it's murder.

So we can say that other players have 'attempted' to break other players' legs with crazy flying tackles, and therefore have been banned, but perhaps Neill should be banned for longer because he DID end up breaking someone's leg.

What you're talking about with the car analogy is intent. I think you'll find that if someone accidentally knocks someone down then the most they'd normally get is a dangerous driving conviction if they are at fault (the punishment might be a bit more severe if the person has died but for injury I don't think there's much difference - besides Carragher's hardly dead). I don't actually think that Neill intended to break Carragher's leg, and I feel the same about some of Gerrard's wild ones. He went in wildly and will pick up deserved a suspension.

For the sake of fair play he should get a 4 game ban instead of your standard 3 as it was dangerous play, as Keane did when he went for Haaland (who then had a further ban when it was learned that it was intended), as Gerrard did (I hope) after he went for Boateng and Naysmith and ... .

I guess if intent can be proved then ban Neill for 8 games. I don't think there was intent so he should recieve a similar ban as Gerrard received after his crazy challenges. Otherwise every player that causes injury to another player should pick up a suspension.

 

[Amika]

found this article from Liverpoolfc.tv about carragher...

The Carragher I know by Chris Bascombe

My first meeting with Jamie Carragher summed up the quality of the lad.

"You don't half write some crap you," he said. "Any chance of getting the Man of the Match award right one day?"

I immediately knew we'd get on.

I could easily write 1,000 words about his football ability and what makes him so valuable to Liverpool, but I've done that so many times before it can get embarrassing. So I won't. Echo readers know how highly I rate him and how much I think he'll be missed for the next six months.

Instead, and hopefully this won't embarrass him too much, I shall recall a few stories which sum up why Carragher is so well liked by those who've met him, and ought to be appreciated more by those who haven't.

Basically, he's one of us.

Someone who loves playing football, loves watching football, loves talking about football and wants to have as good a laugh doing so as possible. And he's one of the bravest and best defenders around.

When he plays, he gives everything. When he loses, he's gutted. He cares.

Last season he was inconsolable after giving away a pen in the derby.

"What the hell was I doing?" he said to me.

"It doesn't matter Carra. You won," I said.

"I know, but I nearly cost us the win."

When he's asked questions, he wouldn't care what 'spin' was if you showed him a portrait of Alastair Campbell. He answers with truth and humour. In an age where agents and control freaks care so much about image, it's so important to have players who just want to be themselves.

One of the funniest things I've witnessed at a Press conference was when poor Rob Palmer of Sky spoke to Carra before the 2001 Worthington Cup Final.

"Jamie, can you describe to us the ethos of the squad under Gerard Houllier?"

Rob's a nice fella, but even he realised how pretentious this sounded later.

For all Carra knew this was going out live on Sky Sports News. He just paused, stared at the interviewer and then, in a thick Bootle accent replied: "What the hell are yer goin' on about mate?"

The timing was impeccable.

He's modest, hates bigheads and refuses to participate in articles which may make him look as though he has a high opinion of himself. There are those who enjoy the limelight when things go well. Carra is the opposite. If Liverpool win comfortably, you can be sure he will slip away unseen while others take the credit.

I've lost count of the number of times he's been the only Liverpool player prepared to talk after a particularly bad performance. If Liverpool lose, it won't be Carra who can't get on the team coach quick enough. He will take the medicine and say it as he and everyone else saw it.

This was a trend I noticed very quickly in my job and earned him most respect in my eyes. Think Leverkusen. Think Basle. Think Chelsea. Think of all those really demoralising defeats and then try and remember who the most honest interviewee was.

Then think of all the triumphs and see if you can remember Carra trying to get in front of the microphone. It wouldn't happen (unless it was a karaoke night).

The only time I can recall him getting upset with our newspaper was for a story which, on the surface, seemed harmless but deeply offended him. It revealed quite a lot about his professional attitude.

Sami Hyypia was injured for a match and the speculation was rife Carra would play centre half.

"I'll fill Sami's boots," read the headline.

To Carra, this made him sound big-headed and he was worried people would think he was saying he was good enough to replace big Sami. In my mind, he stands alongside Sami as one of the best in the Premiership. But he'd shake his head and deny it if I told him he was that good.

Another thing I like about Carra is he has an affinity with the area and a pride in his background which ought to make him one of the most popular players on The Kop.

He's passionate about local football at all levels, and wants to see
scousers doing wellat the top of their profession. In the increasingly tribal world of football, an irrational hatred can grow for the Michael Owens and Wayne Rooneys of this world simply because they play for another team.

Carra despises that and has no time for Reds who slaughter Rooney or Blues who batter Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard. The idea of trying to make life hell for a Liverpool lad who's made it good 'does his head in'. And deep down, we all know he's right.

Finally, let me take you back to the World Cup last year. Carra, you will recall, had to pull out of England contention at the last minute because of a knee injury. He could have played on in pain in Japan, but he said the club paid his wages so he owed it to them to be fit for the start of the season.

Instead, he wrote a column for the Liverpool ECHO.

He insisted every payment to him should be donated to charity. He also insisted this not be made public. I agreed not to let the secret out. Until now.

It's a sad irony the first time Carra's name was chanted this season was when he was being carried away, not returning for six months. If I could make one personal plea, it would be for his name to be the first sung at home to Leicester on Saturday. No Liverpool player deserves it more.

 

[Jono82]

To all the reds out there who were quick to label Lucas Neill a 'coward'... let's not forget THIS tackle, which just so happened to be (magically) IGNORED by the referee on the day and received a THREE match ban... I love the way his left boot is lined up at his nuts with his studs showing..........

I think Houllier has a severe case of "The Pot calling the Kettle black!"

 

[Amika]

Originally posted by Jono82
To all the reds out there who were quick to label Lucas Neill a 'coward'... let's not forget THIS tackle, which just so happened to be (magically) IGNORED by the referee on the day and received a THREE match ban... I love the way his left boot is lined up at his nuts with his studs showing..........

I think Houllier has a severe case of "The Pot calling the Kettle black!"

no one defended stevie g on that tackle on naysmith and any of his reckless tackle.. in fact if you find time to read over all the posts that we made on stevie g's tackles non of us reds fans defended him for that... it doesn't matter who made that tackle whether it is a reds player or lucas neills the main point is that we can't support this kind of reckless two footed tackles and i do agreed with neutral that more tougher rules need to be impose on this kind of tackles and a 3 match ban is just a joke.. even if they player escape punishment during the match a independent panel should be setup by the FA to look at these matter... it doesn't matter whether the player is intended or not in making those tackles but it is just unacceptable.. and if any of you wonder whether stevie g should be suspended for those stupid tackles he made during the aston villa match, my answer is yes..

lastly, lucas neills and sourness are both coward!!!! 1stly for not saying anything after the match ends and especially lucas neills, he even dare say "what is that for!" after the referee shown him the red card... same goes to naysmith for bring down dyer in the everton vs newcastle... cause he said the same thing... cowards because they don't admit that they made a mistake!!!

 

[Haukur Gudnason]

stevie g apologized for that tackle to naysmith and moyes BEFORE naysmith even could take off his jersey after the match. neill and souness sent in a half fucked apology 46 hours later.

ged blasted stevie g over that tackle as did the rest of the staff and he came out and said he doesnt condone it from ANY player. i know stevie got a right bollocking fer it. what has that souness done?