Brazil vs. FC Luzern [R]

[Kibe Kru]

lol, if you manage to get a Gral sig done for me I'll use it for some time, Bobby. But it must have Gral written in red, and the same "font" as your sig.

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

I'm glad you finally got the point Kibe...

 

[Pogba4Now]

i just wanted to understand why the hell, A BRAZILIAN, with so many talented countrymen to cheer for, would choose to have R. Fowler in his sig instead...

Whats the problem if he uses a legend of the club he supports as his sig even if he's English? Fowler is a past Liverpool legend. Case closed.

 

[ngyc]

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[Luis Ah-Hoy]

Whats the problem if he uses a legend of the club he supports as his sig even if he's English? Fowler is a past Liverpool legend. Case closed.

I see you're still missing the point here... anyway, the case was already closed...

 

[Pogba4Now]

I am getting the point but you are making a fuss about it for nothing Anyways... thanks for the goals gyc.

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

Maybe there's someone here, making a fuss for nothing... but that's certainly not me!

I see Lúcio didn't lose his attacking prowess... nice goal by Juninho!

 

[JJSFC]

if i was to have a sig, maybe i would put the great Eusebio, who was born Mozambican, but played for Portugal (which is one of the two countries that i'm cheering for in this WC)

You are supporting Mozambique and Portuga at this World Cup?

 

[Kibe Kru]

Fowler is a past Liverpool legend. Case closed.

Current Liverpool legend, please.

oh, and don't mind Ah-Hoy too much.. you know, if you ain't got "talent" and "technique" you're nothing. And Robbie can't really compare with Gral. or Emerson. Or other brazilians.

PS. I don't know what point I'm supposed to be getting. Call me stupid, but really, I'm clueless here.

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

No, i won't call you stupid... no need to do that... because really, i don't think you are...

The point is (let's use same logic here):

1. A brazilian, generally tend to cheer for a brazilian player, rather then to a foreign player (an englishman, in this case).

2. Brazil, is the country where the most amazing and talented players are born and they even "lend" some very good players to other NT's (e.g. Deco, Dos Santos, some kid from the U-17 Mexican squad, etc...), but they're still the strongest NT on paper. So, if a brazilian chooses to cheer for a foreign player, it's not bcoz his country lacks talented players... because actually, the most talented players ARE form his country... so let's jump to next point...

3. It would be more usual to see a brazilian cheering for a portuguese player, then to an english player... because Brazil is historically and culturally linked with the portuguese... but even so, it would raise the same question: "Why are you cheering for a portuguese player, when there are so many great brazilian ones to cheer for, some are retired (like the greastest one - Pelé ), and some (like Ronaldinho and Kaka), are on action?!"

So the point is, if you're a brazilian, and taking in account those aspects i mentioned above... by logic, i expect you to support a brazilian player, and of course, a brazilian club, because the brazilian domestic league it's not bad at all (Corinthians for instance, won the Club World Championship very recently... against Liverpool... coincidently... )

Then... you said that you're a Liverpool supporter.... and only then, i started to understand why the R. Fowler sig! Of course, for me it would be interesting to also understand why is a brazilian cheering for an english club... but then, i didn't feel like raising more questions... case closed! If you still don't get my point, then maybe CR_manutd can explain it in better english (if wants to, of course), since he already got the point, as he said!


I don't know this Gral, or whatever he's called... but anyway.... there are like, hundreds of brazilian players that Robbie Fowler cannot compare to, because they're better than him... that's a fact! Not all of the brazilian players are better than Robbie Fowler, of course... but there are so many to choose from...

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

You are supporting Mozambique and Portuga at this World Cup?

I'm supporting Portugal and Ivory Coast...
Mozambique didn't qualify!

 

[WilliamFAlmeida]

why you hate Ronaldo Kibe?

 

[Kibe Kru]

The point is (let's use same logic here):

1. A brazilian, generally tend to cheer for a brazilian player, rather then to a foreign player (an englishman, in this case).

Fair point, though I guess out of the brazilians around, only William uses a brazilian player sig

2. Brazil, is the country where the most amazing and talented players are born and they even "lend" some very good players to other NT's (e.g. Deco, Dos Santos, some kid from the U-17 Mexican squad, etc...), but they're still the strongest NT on paper. So, if a brazilian chooses to cheer for a foreign player, it's not bcoz his country lacks talented players... because actually, the most talented players ARE form his country... so let's jump to next point...

3. It would be more usual to see a brazilian cheering for a portuguese player, then to an english player... because Brazil is historically and culturally linked with the portuguese... but even so, it would raise the same question: "Why are you cheering for a portuguese player, when there are so many great brazilian ones to cheer for, some are retired (like the greastest one - Pelé ), and some (like Ronaldinho and Kaka), are on action?!"

Actually, even though brazilians have a strong link with Portugal, those with no portuguese family roots tend to scorn them more than like them. Some would even say the portuguese are responsible for the current situation in the country (to which I must disagree).

Also, we get loads of people from England here, and some don't use English players on their sig, even though they do have some good footballers and tend not to care a lot about what happens in the rest of the world. Same goes for USA with Bobby using a Fabregas sig, for example. I wouldn't ever base my guesses for where people come from on their sig.

So the point is, if you're a brazilian, and taking in account those aspects i mentioned above... by logic, i expect you to support a brazilian player, and of course, a brazilian club, because the brazilian domestic league it's not bad at all (Corinthians for instance, won the Club World Championship very recently... against Liverpool... coincidently... )

I've grown into a Corinthians fan family, so obviously if I have to choose one team to cheer for in Brazil, I'd cheer for them. But I don't care as much for them as I do for Liverpool. You can see in the Libertadores thread I commented on most of Corinthians matches because they're quite popular around here, and they get most matches on TV, which doesn't happen with 'pool. (oh, and please don't mix them up with the bambis. The bambis got awarded the Club Championship last year - got awarded, not won, since they scored 1 and allowed 3, not Corinthians. Corinthians won in 2000)

Then... you said that you're a Liverpool supporter.... and only then, i started to understand why the R. Fowler sig! Of course, for me it would be interesting to also understand why is a brazilian cheering for an english club... but then, i didn't feel like raising more questions... case closed! If you still don't get my point, then maybe CR_manutd can explain it in better english (if wants to, of course), since he already got the point, as he said!

I've explained my feelings on the brazilian football in another thread, though I really can't remember which now. That's why I don't like brazilian football, and especially the national team. Maybe it was in the Brazilian national team thread, but to summarize it, I don't like them because they turn people's attention from things that should be more important. A lot more important.

I don't know this Gral, or whatever he's called... but anyway.... there are like, hundreds of brazilian players that Robbie Fowler cannot compare to, because they're better than him... that's a fact! Not all of the brazilian players are better than Robbie Fowler, of course... but there are so many to choose from...

Maybe there are players better than Robbie Fowler in Brazil, but believe me when I tell you that Gral is NOT. Also, we could argue all day long about whether or not a player is better than another, but I'll stop it here. I'll just mention that no brazilian player would ever play for Liverpool with as much love for the club as Robbie.

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

Fair enough.... I'll stop here too... lol

But... who tha heck is this Gral?!

 

[Pogba4Now]

If you still don't get my point, then maybe CR_manutd can explain it in better english (if wants to, of course), since he already got the point, as he said!

I think you explained your point already so no need

Who's Gral BTW ?

EDIT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gral
:fool:

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

lol... Wikipedia has everything...

But why are you guys always talking about him? Is he such a bad player?

 

[Pogba4Now]

I think Bobby loves the J League . A brazillian playing in the J League Is he not good enough for the Brazillian league or what? (:/)

 

[Kibe Kru]

why you hate Ronaldo Kibe?

1) Overrated. He's not half the player he was at Barcelona.
2) Attitude. Remember his refusal to play Confed Cup? Remember his "nobody loves me" act at Madrid? He's paid well enough to take criticism and if he cares enough about the NT, he'd play. People work their arses off for a chance to play there, yet he is a lazy bastard and still gets off being called up and being permanent starter.

Is he not good enough for the Brazillian league or what?

He'd do well here (in the second division), but he gets a lot of money in Japan. Actually, there are loads of brazilians in Japan. It's one of 3 countries that got more than 30 brazilian players last year (Italy and Portugal are the others)

 

[Axolote]

1) Overrated. He's not half the player he was at Barcelona.
2) Attitude. Remember his refusal to play Confed Cup? Remember his "nobody loves me" act at Madrid? He's paid well enough to take criticism and if he cares enough about the NT, he'd play. People work their arses off for a chance to play there, yet he is a lazy bastard and still gets off being called up and being permanent starter.

Ronaldo is twice the player Adriano is, in weight and talent. And 5 Robinhos...

 

[Kibe Kru]

Ronaldo is twice the player Adriano is, in ... talent.

That can be true

Ronaldo is twice the player Adriano is, in weight ... And 5 Robinhos...

That IS true