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Any muslims on SG? please help me
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Ubik Valis
Croatian Viking
Well, no surprises there, really.
Never tought my head would cost that much . . .Kibe Kru said:
Bring it on baby . . .
Yep that's it. The episode was called 'Super Best Friends' and for some reason prophet Mohammed looked Indian and had an Indian accent, he also had special powers like flight and throwing fireballs. So did the rest of the other prophets.RobbieD_PL said:
I didn't think it was quite as as offensive as some of the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper. The South Park people certainly didn't go out of their way just to provoke a Muslim reaction like with the Jyllands-Posten.
I think there ought to be a difference between an insulting portrayal of the prophet (like drawing him with devil horns), and a plain sketch showing what someone thought he might've looked like.
Just because Muslims aren't allowed to draw their prophet doesn't mean that everyone else has to abide by the same law. Muslim sensitivities are not everyone else's problem, and vice versa.
It would be courteous of me not to eat beef in front of my Hindu friend, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't eat beef at all. Just like I don't hate on my Christian friends just because they eat while I'm fasting on Ramadan.
Companies like Mecca and Qibla Cola use religion to promote their product, ie; 'don't send your money to the pro-zionist west, buy our cola and support your muslim brothers'.syaz_wan03 said:@ krypton:
hah...u r funny guy...opening a company to support extremist fanatical regime is seriously stupid. Iranian Zam Zam & Arab Mecca Cola is just another drinking company and they have nothing to do with the extreme regime. if u like the drink...buy it...if dont why u shud waste ur money?
& personally...i wont boycott the danish & european products...and I wont hate any religion unless they attack/tarnish my religion...that's all.
Well, buying Zam Zam cola means I'm supporting the Iranian economy which is governed by a bunch of fascist mullahs. Mecca cola on the other hand claims they donate 10% of their revenue to the Palestinian cause, that's not such a bad thing as long as that money doesn't end up in the pockets of the Fatah mafia bosses or with groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad to help recruit more suicide bombers, which I suspect is the case.
Anyway that's all beside the point, those muslims who keep calling for a boycott of Danish products because some Danish newspaper disrespected muslims, why don't they also boycott muslim products from countries that mistreat their muslim populations, harm the image of Islam, and those that also support the 'pro-zionist west', example: why don't they boycott all Egyptian and Jordanian products until those countries stop supporting the apartheid Israeli state. Tell me is that hypocrisy or not.
my post is going to be short .
any other religion and their believers can do what every they want with their prophet, But, Islam is ours, and in our belief, we do not let any of his image appear , its forbidden.. in our culture, some things are "untouchable", our prophet is one of those. so what now?
norwegians disrespected our belief, this is a shame
and now lets see what happens..
any other religion and their believers can do what every they want with their prophet, But, Islam is ours, and in our belief, we do not let any of his image appear , its forbidden.. in our culture, some things are "untouchable", our prophet is one of those. so what now?
norwegians disrespected our belief, this is a shame
and now lets see what happens..
syaz_wan03
Senior Squad
@hopeunited: i'll contact u if i see them
@krypton:
How if we dont respect your religion? wont you feel offensive?
if no...than you are weak. For me, i cant let any stupid comments about my religion because WE HAVE CLASS & DIGNITY. we dont talk rubbish about our religion
Maybe Hans can say that in Christ, people make joke about Jesus, but ...in Islam, there's nothing for joke in our religion. got it?
I'm afraid that soon, if people dont respect other man's religion...there's gonna be some war in the newspaper in the next 2 years. I hope u understand my point
BTW: I agree at CapaJr. Point taken!
(sorry for my english)
@krypton:
ahh...i hope that you can learn some good values in your religion. didint your religion teach you to RESPECT...I REPEAT...RESPECT othere religion. of course Muslim sensitives are not everyone else's problem...but cant you just respect it?
How if we dont respect your religion? wont you feel offensive?
if no...than you are weak. For me, i cant let any stupid comments about my religion because WE HAVE CLASS & DIGNITY. we dont talk rubbish about our religion
Maybe Hans can say that in Christ, people make joke about Jesus, but ...in Islam, there's nothing for joke in our religion. got it?
I'm afraid that soon, if people dont respect other man's religion...there's gonna be some war in the newspaper in the next 2 years. I hope u understand my point
BTW: I agree at CapaJr. Point taken!
(sorry for my english)
1st of all these thing shouldn't happen, insulting others religion are totally stupid. As a Muslim, i myself angry when things like this happens. 
However, i juz couldn't understand why the hell they reacted like dat, i mean yes they insulted our prophet but wat when we insults other religions? Honestly talking, i dont know about in other countries, but here in Malaysia there are thousands of Muslims that juz go and insult other riligions openly, but of coz not like publish in newspapers or things like dat. Seriously, i find that some of us are really so hypocrite. We can do whatever we want but f*ck others who touch us
Im studying in a local university where there are a very large number of students from the middle east, even some of my housemates are from there. I juz couldn't understand why the hell, i dunno how to say but it is really2 annoying to see such a hypocrite peoples. How can they say for eg "f*ck the christ..." and say that they're real Muslims that will do 'jihad' to whenever these things happen. In Islam we are not asked to insult other religions but respect them. See, they dont even do the right thing among themself but always want mess up with others, its juz totally lame n hypocrite
Last night i had a conversation with one of the guy, he keep on telling me that we should do jihad, so against the Danish as they insulted our prophet and so on...i couldn't say more coz why should i be hypocrite, i myself are not that so good so i can't think why i have to mess up with the others. Somehow, after living with those guys from middle east for almost a year, i found that they're not that what i expected, of coz i can't say ALL of them but the majority. For eg they go and have sex with the locals and they blame the girls in this countries are so blablabla n they're ashamed that Malaysia is an Islamic country n so on...it's totally hyprocrite n annoying to hear those thing coz they're the one who're too exctited to have sex and after having it all they'll say those things, others are the bad one and they're the angle, the best, the innocent ones, haha?
Btw, when i see that Taliban offers reward for anyone that kills the cartoon creator, somehow i felt f*ucked up, yes go on and kill them as they insulted us as we're suppose to do jihad, but why the f*ck u should get any rewards??? It's the matter between you yourself and Allah, you're doing it for rewards? Seriously, its stupid and worthless.
Seriously, no offends to all the Muslim here and those from middle east, i'm only trying to tell what i felt, which may be wrong but thats what i think.
However, i juz couldn't understand why the hell they reacted like dat, i mean yes they insulted our prophet but wat when we insults other religions? Honestly talking, i dont know about in other countries, but here in Malaysia there are thousands of Muslims that juz go and insult other riligions openly, but of coz not like publish in newspapers or things like dat. Seriously, i find that some of us are really so hypocrite. We can do whatever we want but f*ck others who touch us
Im studying in a local university where there are a very large number of students from the middle east, even some of my housemates are from there. I juz couldn't understand why the hell, i dunno how to say but it is really2 annoying to see such a hypocrite peoples. How can they say for eg "f*ck the christ..." and say that they're real Muslims that will do 'jihad' to whenever these things happen. In Islam we are not asked to insult other religions but respect them. See, they dont even do the right thing among themself but always want mess up with others, its juz totally lame n hypocrite
Last night i had a conversation with one of the guy, he keep on telling me that we should do jihad, so against the Danish as they insulted our prophet and so on...i couldn't say more coz why should i be hypocrite, i myself are not that so good so i can't think why i have to mess up with the others. Somehow, after living with those guys from middle east for almost a year, i found that they're not that what i expected, of coz i can't say ALL of them but the majority. For eg they go and have sex with the locals and they blame the girls in this countries are so blablabla n they're ashamed that Malaysia is an Islamic country n so on...it's totally hyprocrite n annoying to hear those thing coz they're the one who're too exctited to have sex and after having it all they'll say those things, others are the bad one and they're the angle, the best, the innocent ones, haha?
Btw, when i see that Taliban offers reward for anyone that kills the cartoon creator, somehow i felt f*ucked up, yes go on and kill them as they insulted us as we're suppose to do jihad, but why the f*ck u should get any rewards??? It's the matter between you yourself and Allah, you're doing it for rewards? Seriously, its stupid and worthless.
Seriously, no offends to all the Muslim here and those from middle east, i'm only trying to tell what i felt, which may be wrong but thats what i think.
No doubt the cartoon may be viewed as offensive... if you don't respect my religion (like many others have done, it's good to point out), I may feel offended... that's not the point... the point is that you won't see me burning flags and embassies for that, as I don't think that just because someone from say Mars offended me, everyone in Mars is like that... a nice way to show class and dignity would be to forgive and forget, but maybe that's just me...syaz_wan03 said:
While I may police myself not to say offensive stuff about other people, I can't say the same about other people... and in no way can you ever forbid me or others to say something you may find offensive
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Freedom of Speech is very easy to understand.
For example, I can say something like "The Prophet Muhammad has sex with goats", and that's allowed.
Anyone else is perfectly free to tell me that I am full of ****, as I no doubt would be if I said that.
It doesn't go "He said something offensive therefore he should be silenced." No! This isn't the thought police, you can't control what people think, so they should be allowed to voice their opinion. For example, if I said "Blacks should have the same rights as whites" in 1840's Alabama, they would react even more furiously than some Muslims are acting over this whole cartoon thing. But here's the thing, just because an idea is offensive doesn't mean it should be silenced, and it doesn't mean it is wrong. Sure, they were insensitive to publish the cartoons, but how does Islam look when mobs of thousands of self proclaimed followers of the faith go out and kill and steal in the name of their prophet? That seems like it helps perpetuate the stereotypes they are trying to erradicate.
And seriously, can we at least get some perspective? These are drawings in a small newspaper, is it really that big of a deal. Let it go. Jesus is a prophet of Islam too and his main point was love and forgiveness, and the Qu'ran is filled with those themes as well, maybe you should heed that advice as it is directly from your Prophet who you are "defending".
So let me get this straight, drawings of Muhammad are prohibited because it could lead to worship of an idol who is not God right? Since the non-Muslims are making these drawings, it seems like there is no danger of idol worship and therefore no reason to uphold this law.
Anyone mad about this can lick my balls while I proceed to fart in your face. Live your life and believe in your religion, it is between you and God, don't let some douchebag Danish newspaper get in the way. In fact, it really shouldn't get in the way if you were a true Muslim.
For example, I can say something like "The Prophet Muhammad has sex with goats", and that's allowed.
Anyone else is perfectly free to tell me that I am full of ****, as I no doubt would be if I said that.
It doesn't go "He said something offensive therefore he should be silenced." No! This isn't the thought police, you can't control what people think, so they should be allowed to voice their opinion. For example, if I said "Blacks should have the same rights as whites" in 1840's Alabama, they would react even more furiously than some Muslims are acting over this whole cartoon thing. But here's the thing, just because an idea is offensive doesn't mean it should be silenced, and it doesn't mean it is wrong. Sure, they were insensitive to publish the cartoons, but how does Islam look when mobs of thousands of self proclaimed followers of the faith go out and kill and steal in the name of their prophet? That seems like it helps perpetuate the stereotypes they are trying to erradicate.
And seriously, can we at least get some perspective? These are drawings in a small newspaper, is it really that big of a deal. Let it go. Jesus is a prophet of Islam too and his main point was love and forgiveness, and the Qu'ran is filled with those themes as well, maybe you should heed that advice as it is directly from your Prophet who you are "defending".
So let me get this straight, drawings of Muhammad are prohibited because it could lead to worship of an idol who is not God right? Since the non-Muslims are making these drawings, it seems like there is no danger of idol worship and therefore no reason to uphold this law.
Anyone mad about this can lick my balls while I proceed to fart in your face. Live your life and believe in your religion, it is between you and God, don't let some douchebag Danish newspaper get in the way. In fact, it really shouldn't get in the way if you were a true Muslim.
hey also in an attempt to protect the Prophet arent they in theory idolising him as well 
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
By the way, I don't usually recommend books here, but everyone should read "Beyond the Burning Cross" which is about hate crime legislation in the United States. Basically a young man was charged with breaking a law that made swastikas, burning crosses, and other imagery like that illegal; the guy burned a cross on the lawn of a black family. The book is written by his attorney who WON THE CASE AND DEFENDED FREE SPEECH and it gives the best perspective on what free speech means that I have ever read or heard. This is also reiterated in a book called "Kindly Inquisitors" by Jacob Rausch if you'd rather read that.
Basically here it is in a nut shell, speech can be offensive, but speech should never be a crime. Scratch that, IDEAS and IMAGES should never be criminal. I should be perfectly allowed to say that all blacks are inferior to whites and that they should be round up, put into camps, and gassed to death. I should be allowed to start a club for the advancement of this through political means (you know, as long as I'm not actually doing this). I can write editorials, publish books, hand out flyers, talk on the radio, whatever, this must be legal. Why? Because ideas are vital to society. Society needs fringe elements because we need to know where we don't want to go, what we are rallying against. And just as I have the right to say all of this racist speech and form my racist clubs, the rest of society has the right to tell me that I'm a retarded ****tard. But all ideas need to be out there in the dialogue. Why? Because sometime the "retarded ****tard" is correct. There have been millions of unpopular ideas through the course of history that were unpopular when first introduced, but they eventually became the norm. Likewise, these controversial ideas, when given a proper dialogue are often exposed for what they are (idiotic conceptions based on ill-concieved prejudices). But they don't get exposed if we don't discuss them. By suppressing thoughts, ANY thoughts, we start to go in a direction we do not want to go in. Free speech means exactly that, anything short of an actual crime like "there's Vince across the street, let's mug him" or "Give me your money or I'll kill you" is and should be legal. In fact it is VITAL.
All of these people in the whole "some stuff is offensive and should therefore be banned" has basically been crushed by free speech advocates in the late nineties in America, although we did go through a major PC period in the late 80s and early 90s. There are no limits on free speech except for these: obscenity (although this is very debatable), fighting words (words that would provoke a normal person to cause a breach of the peace), incitement (like fighting words, but convincing people to do something), and libel/slander (which has also been very thinned). Drawing a cartoon of Muhammad falls into none of these categories. Now, if I were to say "Muhammad was a pig ****er" on the streets of Mecca in the face of a normal person, that's fighting words, but other than that, respect the right of these Danes to publish their drawings.
And the Western World has respected the right of many Middle Easterners to engage in VERY egregious hate speech against Jews (you know, for instance).
Basically here it is in a nut shell, speech can be offensive, but speech should never be a crime. Scratch that, IDEAS and IMAGES should never be criminal. I should be perfectly allowed to say that all blacks are inferior to whites and that they should be round up, put into camps, and gassed to death. I should be allowed to start a club for the advancement of this through political means (you know, as long as I'm not actually doing this). I can write editorials, publish books, hand out flyers, talk on the radio, whatever, this must be legal. Why? Because ideas are vital to society. Society needs fringe elements because we need to know where we don't want to go, what we are rallying against. And just as I have the right to say all of this racist speech and form my racist clubs, the rest of society has the right to tell me that I'm a retarded ****tard. But all ideas need to be out there in the dialogue. Why? Because sometime the "retarded ****tard" is correct. There have been millions of unpopular ideas through the course of history that were unpopular when first introduced, but they eventually became the norm. Likewise, these controversial ideas, when given a proper dialogue are often exposed for what they are (idiotic conceptions based on ill-concieved prejudices). But they don't get exposed if we don't discuss them. By suppressing thoughts, ANY thoughts, we start to go in a direction we do not want to go in. Free speech means exactly that, anything short of an actual crime like "there's Vince across the street, let's mug him" or "Give me your money or I'll kill you" is and should be legal. In fact it is VITAL.
All of these people in the whole "some stuff is offensive and should therefore be banned" has basically been crushed by free speech advocates in the late nineties in America, although we did go through a major PC period in the late 80s and early 90s. There are no limits on free speech except for these: obscenity (although this is very debatable), fighting words (words that would provoke a normal person to cause a breach of the peace), incitement (like fighting words, but convincing people to do something), and libel/slander (which has also been very thinned). Drawing a cartoon of Muhammad falls into none of these categories. Now, if I were to say "Muhammad was a pig ****er" on the streets of Mecca in the face of a normal person, that's fighting words, but other than that, respect the right of these Danes to publish their drawings.
And the Western World has respected the right of many Middle Easterners to engage in VERY egregious hate speech against Jews (you know, for instance).
Muslims made jokes about Christ and we ignore them . . .syaz_wan03 said:
Burnin` flags, embassy and try to start a WWIII cos` some pic of your prophet doesn`t give you class and dignity, it makes you lower your level to the same level as those who bash your prophet.
We don`t care wheter Jesus was pictured to have sex with a goat and a horse at the same time, cos` to us he is the son of God and no son of God needs to be defended. We believe in our Christ and we don`t care what Muslims or Jews think about him, now that`s class and dignity . . .
Is your prophet so weak that he needs you all to defend him ? Ask yourself that, and might be you Muslims will start to understand why your reaction really made a fool out of yourself . . .
The_Knight
Senior Squad
ShiftyPowers said:
And for the matter, and for those willing, I'd like to recommend the book "Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet " by Karen Armstrong. A very highly respected and non-biased expert in the subject.
It's available here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062508865/102-8518083-2768943?v=glance&n=283155
Other world-known books for Karen Armstrong:
The Battle for God
Buddha
History of God
Holy War : The Crusades and Their Impact on Today's World
Unlike most here I think there is not much to talk about here, mainly because you can't avoid the inevitable, which every week seems to be getting near and near.
It is great to know Muslims around the world started caring about what Danish small-audience newspapers think. What I am trying to say it that when there is enough gas loose in the kitchen any spark is good to set it off.
I see this all incident as the clashing of two very different civilizations in values and culture yet similar in their hypocrisy levels. [For future developments look back at past civilizations with similar problems and see what happens next.]
It is great to know Muslims around the world started caring about what Danish small-audience newspapers think. What I am trying to say it that when there is enough gas loose in the kitchen any spark is good to set it off.
I see this all incident as the clashing of two very different civilizations in values and culture yet similar in their hypocrisy levels. [For future developments look back at past civilizations with similar problems and see what happens next.]
::shinji::
Min
INFESTA said:
so true...not to mention the fact that you can clearly see how those with an agenda are using every little opportunity to capitalize on the controversy.... I'll bet Osama, Iran, Syria, Hamas, etc are just loving this and adding fuel to the fire. Likewise, hard line right-wingers in the west are going to go out of their way to show every shred of negative muslim footage to help their campaigns and justifications.
I fully expect us to soon begin hearing reports of retaliation attacks on Muslims in western countries. Just look at the recent riots in Australia, and that was over a hissy fit between some Lebanese and surfer kids...