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a qualifier is certainly necessary in many cases ... Wenger's first Arsenal was built around a few Serie A flops, but they went on to become Premiership Invincibles ...Bobby;3629111 said:It's not easy to define a flop though, Denilson is an obvious one, but other players are flops for certain teams and then productive for others. Soldado, for instance, is threatening to become a big time flop for Tottenham but he could probably go somewhere else and contribute. Like Gervinho did.
so a transfer fee is a prerequisite to be a flop? that's just plain not true ... in American sports, transfer fees are very rarely involved when players move team, which would mean virtually no one could be considered a flop signing ...ShiftyPowers;3629108 said:I disagree, he was hyped because of what he could do at a young age, but no one ever paid... any money for him, so he hasn't ever flopped.
Denilson is probably the biggest flop I've ever seen. That was a world record transfer.
how could anyone pay for him when he was under age? but the MLS certainly paid him well -- they only went and made him the highest paid player in the league at age 14 ... by the time Freddy was 16, he was an MLS flop ...ShiftyPowers;3629108 said:I disagree, he was hyped because of what he could do at a young age, but no one ever paid... any money for him
exactly ... hype that involved a paid-for endorsement by Pelé himself, complete with photoshoot and all:Bobby;3629111 said:MLS was desperate for press at the time and hyped the shit out of him.
nady;3629159 said:I don't think so because at his short lived peak, he achieved a lot. He was more of a bargain than a flop. He was bought for only 6 millions and scored a number of winners which contributed to a few titles. He had 1 very good and 2 good seasons with us. This season he's pretty bad.
a cursory google shows that free agents are called flops, even in American sports:ShiftyPowers;3629368 said:Free Agents aren't usually considered flops.
Freddy Adu was the #1 pick in the '04 MLS Draft ... AND he was immediately made the league's highest player, which I think is unprecedented in any American sports league ...ShiftyPowers;3629368 said:Flops in American sports are judged almost entirely on the draft pick which was used to select a player.