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1st Season in Master League Just ~Ended

MightyTic

Senior Squad
1st Season in Master League Just ~Ended

Having played many many games of PES5 now, exi-game league cup and now Master League I can now comment on the game.

off the top of my head .. The game is great .. still has its flaws like PES4 but still great!

Now this is not a sourgrapes rants as I just seen my team lose the league in the last game of the season to a very big cheating cpu, annoyed yes but these things I have seen throughout all the games Ive played.

The classic had to be a cross into the back post by the cpu , the ball was and did go over the cpu forward standing there! Did it go out for a goalkick NO! As the ball past over his head, one of my unhighlighted (not under my control) players got behind him and from near on the byline jumped over the forwards back and flicked a header in at the back post ... oh say the commentator! unlucky og there! If it had been the other way round you would have had to have said it was some move and header by the forward to sqeeze the ball into the goals at that angle! but it was the cpu that was controlling my player at that moment and made that player jump and head it into his own goals, it was not me ... and yet any other time when you need your cpu controlled defenders to move they don't ! anyhoo .. Im over it :) agggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Right onto the flaws in the game , 5 still has those very annoying rebounds that hit off your player and alway I mean always goes to the nearest cpu player(s).

Tackling ? I don't use any tackle buttons when I try to get the ball off the cpu, I only use the srpint button and try to get across the front of them, but another annoying thing about that is, when I do get a player near to get a legal foot in, the ball always is knocked away to another cpu player or near enough for the cpu to collect the ball again..

The ref gave a foul when I was running side by side with the cpu , I meam if our shoulders touched it must have been by just a fraction, but freekick is given..

Even not using any of the tackle button (use only sprint) more often than not my player will stick his foot in and knock the ball away, the cpu player gives a little stumlbe and a freekick is awarded!

Yet if the cpu does the exact same to you 9.99 times out of 10 , you get no freekick and you have lost the ball.

On the advantge rule, I have tackled cpu players who have stumbled but stumbled on and regained there run and although the yellow advantage flag comes up, the ref plays on ...

In all the PES5 games I have played when that has happened to me and I regain control (usually bearing down into the box or going clear) the ref has never waved play on, once the yellow advantage flag comes ! The game is always stopped.

Not a flaw in the general sense of the game (as in deflections alway going to the cpu) but it does affect gameplay! L1 change Icon control of a player! the amount of times that Ive pressed to change to another player (I set manual)it doesn't highlight the player the ball is just running past but one of your other player further away! In defence, it has caused goals to be lost as I have press to highlight one of my CBs as the cpu player is coming down the middle , put as I hit L1 its one of the FBs that gets the icon over him and its 3 or 4 presses later before I can get the player thats nearest to the on coming cpu player highlighted and under my control..

This has to be fixed, chasing cpu players when Im hitting L1 to bring a defender or midfielder forward to meet him, its the players 5 to 8yards behind the cpu player that the icon is jumping between ...

Cpu picking your pass, if anything that is the most annoying of the flaws in the game! time and time again, I have had players in great positions near me when I have the ball, I face them (analog stick is pointing at them and I never move it as I press the pass button) but even facing a player who is anywhere from 6 to 12yards away and in the clear , does not matter ! I press pass and the player on the ball will spin around and hit a pass into a crowded box only to be cleared or find my player in an offside postion!

I can only hope in the next gen-console games that these AI flaws are wiped out , along with the need to press super cancel just to get your player moving again..

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now 3 or 4 flaws might not see a lot , but put them all together in a 10/15 min game of PES5 and they will have you tearing your hair out !!


I might be thick, but I can't see why Konami buildt these things into the game play! the need to press SuperCancel comes from the fact to name 1, that your player stops mid run to allow the cpu to get to a 5050 ball 1st..

I could never understand why they though that was a good idea?

most times both player would get to the ball at the same time and tackle each other for it , when your player stops to allow that to happen outside of the penalty box that's bad enough, but when your defenders stop mid run in the box to allow the cpu to get to the ball 1st then that is another matter...

I hear you say ah just press 2 button what does that take, thats not the point, the point is once ou have control of your player the cpu should not takeover it just to allow its player(s) an advantage!

The cpu picking certain passes for you when you are in a good position (bad passes all the time it happens) and the need to press super cancel just to get back the contol of a player that already has your control icon over it, stops this from being a truely 10 out of 10 football game !

I can only hope when I go to buy my next copy for the xobx360 that all these flaws or cpu aids are gone , that would truely make the game free flowing !
 

jessie

Club Supporter
i have won 4 matches in a row 1 st divsion hehe....just finished first season in 2nd division

computer speeds itself up. it is too obvious.
 

jessie

Club Supporter
u need tackling button at least run towards ball, but com is cheating...the random direction is always towards com player. and serious problem com speed itself up. run lot faster than ur players. and u cant dribble them out either u get foul.\

com can always pick up ur shoot or pass easily becoz com player are speedy, ultra fast respond
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
I can live with the flaws its just annoying that some of them were "put" into the game to help the cpu.. The game would just be as good if not better without them!
 

Shindig

Fan Favourite
The only thing I miss is the lack of weather in an ML season. Haven't really noticed the 50/50 aid. I do hate the stoppage time, though. I often cause my own downfall by not clearing my lines. If a cross goes in to your box in stoppage time, you'd better hope the CPU has two left feet.
 

pn929

Youth Team
Totally agree with all your points there but the scary thing is these do come in to play when ur online too.
Its annoying as hell because the cpu favours the client in each half so if you host first the 2nd half is a nightnare.
 

jessie

Club Supporter
pn929 said:
Totally agree with all your points there but the scary thing is these do come in to play when ur online too.
Its annoying as hell because the cpu favours the client in each half so if you host first the 2nd half is a nightnare.
u are rite , if u score a goal first in first half, very likely u gonna lose 1 or 2 goals after,,,,,,why? becoz it is the time for com to speed itself up. it is totally out of control.

like u run widout life...u still cant catch com's speed.
 

ugluk

Youth Team
yea the switching is killing me, but i found out that it's usually 3 taps of L1 that give you the right player. I think my pinky (i play keyboard) is now adjusted to pressing the Q button 3 times in a row when I need to switch.

it's annoying tho, I have to say.

Overall, the game is fun, but I'm starting to remember PES 3, which I quit because of these annoyances. PES 4 did not have as many and I really loved the game, but PES 5 came back with many many many more things that they need to fix. I'm not sure if I'll be playing this game for too long.
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
I think that KONAMI can't change any of CPU favouring scripts they implemented in the core of their 4 year old engine which, I hope, we won't see again in the next gen we/pes game.
Though I don't get why are they making them(cheats or whatever you might call it) even more efficient in recent games. I remember myself ranting here about pes3, but now the flaws of that ''old'' game loooks like some minor irritants that I wouldn't even mention when describing pes5 because pes5 offers the whole new degree of annoyances.

I like challange and all, but not when it's presented in the way it has been in recent pes/we games. I don't mind if defence is very organized and tight and defenders make good tackles on me, but can't stand when ''teh challange'' is rised by making your players behave like pregnant woman doing their morning drill or forcing them do the things that I don't want them to do. Where's the phun in that?

Imagine, you play some FPS like HL or Doom, you push the left mouse button to shoot the bad guy but instead of doing that right away protagonist starts twisting around, stumbling, staggering and only shoots after some 2, 2.5 seconds after you pushed the button.
Now how would you feel about that?
Oh, you wouldn't feel anything, you would be dead. :boohoo:
 

deluxxe

Youth Team
so true about the loose balls. loose balls ALWAYS go right to a cpu controlled player's boot. every time. gets really tiring.
 

jessie

Club Supporter
i finally figured 6 stars is more reasonable hard, com will use more advanced tatics , 5 stars is purely speed cheating.

under 6 stars, ur defenders stand in rite postion at rite time, and strong/speedy one can cut the ball easily from com's player.

under 6 star i tested, i can dribble through 3 defender if lucky, so that's reasonable hard.

but i dont see any advantage rule yet,,, just annoyig fouls.
 

night

Starting XI
jessie said:
i finally figured 6 stars is more reasonable hard, com will use more advanced tatics , 5 stars is purely speed cheating.

under 6 stars, ur defenders stand in rite postion at rite time, and strong/speedy one can cut the ball easily from com's player.

under 6 star i tested, i can dribble through 3 defender if lucky, so that's reasonable hard.

but i dont see any advantage rule yet,,, just annoyig fouls.
Funny I realised that it's actually the opposite. 5 stars is more realistic while 6 stars is cheating..

Anyways, I bet people noticed this point as well : In ML, when you've won 4 or 5 consecutive matches, why is the CPU slowly becoming much more difficult in all aspects of the game in the next matches? You can really notice the difference.
 

jessie

Club Supporter
Sheringham10 said:
Funny I realised that it's actually the opposite. 5 stars is more realistic while 6 stars is cheating..

Anyways, I bet people noticed this point as well : In ML, when you've won 4 or 5 consecutive matches, why is the CPU slowly becoming much more difficult in all aspects of the game in the next matches? You can really notice the difference.

the top 3 teams and the bottom 3 will try hard to beat u that's all. but u can over come it by marking FWs. i dont like com speed up indeed, so i play 6 stars.

marking desnt work under 5 *, did u notice that?
 


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