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Az picks all Premier League players and then sets them out in a 4-4-2. Typical.
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I will never play 4-4-2. Too many good fullbacks IMO. Classic wingers FTW!
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I know, but I'm saying that fullbacks are much more effective against 4-4-2s than against 4-3-3s because they don't have as much room in front of them and they can't bomb too far up the pitch when they have to mark advanced wingers.
fyi, you can add arrows with the formation maker (it is one of the tabs) ...Nimreitz;2938358 said:Just making everything clear.Filipower;2938355 said:haha arrows
haha, feel free ... but I think you may have forgotten that both Zlatan and Adriano hit the woodwork in that tie, while Adriano also unbelievably fluffed a shot from point-blank range ... and anyway, Inter's only 2 creative outlets were Maicon and Zlatan ...Nimreitz;2938361 said:
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Balotelli and Totti, oh where is the love.
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I like a lot of the formations. Gonna be tough to crack a few of them.
Okay, but I'm not hearing you say anything about Maicon's effectiveness in that game. If I have a player capable of shutting down or neutralizing the best fullback since Cafu, I'm going to use him and hopefully the rest of my team can deal with the attacking threat of your other players.
There's really only 1 or 2 fullbacks that I'll use Park against, although I might consider using him as a defensive #10 against someone like an Obi Mikel or a Busquets so they have a tough time recycling possession, and pull Cesc back. I'm also considering Huddlestone as my DM when I use Park because he can compensate for Park's lack of passing and technique somewhat. But for the most part, I think Robinho as an old school outside left will neutralize right backs, and Eto'o can track back, plus Ramires as a carrillero can help too.
Okay, but I'm not hearing you say anything about Maicon's effectiveness in that game. If I have a player capable of shutting down or neutralizing the best fullback since Cafu, I'm going to use him and hopefully the rest of my team can deal with the attacking threat of your other players.
There's really only 1 or 2 fullbacks that I'll use Park against, although I might consider using him as a defensive #10 against someone like an Obi Mikel or a Busquets so they have a tough time recycling possession, and pull Cesc back. I'm also considering Huddlestone as my DM when I use Park because he can compensate for Park's lack of passing and technique somewhat. But for the most part, I think Robinho as an old school outside left will neutralize right backs, and Eto'o can track back, plus Ramires as a carrillero can help too.
we still haven't decided on how we're going to carry out the matchups ... admittedly, we still have time between the picks and the draw for the group stage (with the knockout stage draw conducted later, à la the Champions League), but we need to start discussing the specifics soon, coz I'm sure there'll be a bit of debate on how matchups will/should work ...Nimreitz;2938417 said:
I didn't think I needed to -- I think my point about creative outlets sufficed ... but since you ask:Nimreitz;2938417 said:
firstly, 1 game (he was only effective in 1 of the 2 legs) doesn't make a pattern ... but leaving that aside: yes, it is possible that playing Park to try and take care of Maicon going forward may mean that Big Doug might not venture that much ... but I have another excellent attacking fullback on the other wing, who could bomb forward more instead ... so, I would detail Maicon to stay a little deeper than usual, thereby keeping Park occupied, but also playing Robinho out of the game (Robinho fades faaast when in a physical contest where his pace and trickery are matched by his marker) ... there is enough creativity in the rest of the team to take care of things on the day ...
but let's take another approach: say I employ a 4-2-1-3 when I look to play an attacking game to get a first leg lead:
with Pastore now added to the equation up there, and Raffie in behind, Park will need to drop back to help out Capdevila down your left flank ... when my team have the ball and are attacking, Park going back, and Robinho not doing so, will allow Maicon to move forward ... and Maicon is not easy to contain, so having one player solely trying to shut him down will allow more space for Pastore, van der Vaart, and Zlatan to link down my right (your left) ... and I still have further pace (Supervolt) to call upon from the bench to force Park back when Capdevila is getting run a little ragged ...
I tried to put all that concisely when I said that Inter had only 2 creative options (as compared to my Legio Septima squad), which is why that tactic with Park worked for that 1 match against Inter, but may only work in part against a team with more creative options ...
yeah, your formation that you posted has no DMs -- Mariga and Ramires are both shuttlers, not pure ballwinners ...Nimreitz;2938417 said:
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If I put Park on the pitch I will probably have Eto'o on the other side and leave Robinho off. If I just wanted to pin a fullback back, I'd use Robinho, but Park is one of the only players in the world who will tackle and harass a fullback all over the field, which is why he's so valuable. Maicon, Cole, and maybe Alves (although I might want to just use Robinho on him and hope he gets caught out on a counter) are perhaps the only fullbacks that are so excellent I would need a special player to mark them. It's kind of funny to go through Park's matches last season and see all the wins; almost all the losses happened when Park was substituted in the 65th-ish minute. He neutralized Lahm at the Allianz for example, got taken off, and then we had the late goals to win.
If you put Pastore on the wing, I consider that a victory for me.
Ramires and Mariga aren't holding midfielders, but you don't really need one in a 4-2-3-1 if you have two disciplined central mids. Schweinsteiger and Khedira couldn't be mistaken for holding midfielders, but they were arguably the best two in that formation at the World Cup. Both of their ability to get forward adds some uncertainty to my attack as well, which can only help. And hell, if they start to get overwhelmed I can always drop Cesc a little further back; afterall the kid came up in a flat 4-4-2.
If you put Pastore on the wing, I consider that a victory for me.
Ramires and Mariga aren't holding midfielders, but you don't really need one in a 4-2-3-1 if you have two disciplined central mids. Schweinsteiger and Khedira couldn't be mistaken for holding midfielders, but they were arguably the best two in that formation at the World Cup. Both of their ability to get forward adds some uncertainty to my attack as well, which can only help. And hell, if they start to get overwhelmed I can always drop Cesc a little further back; afterall the kid came up in a flat 4-4-2.
