no matter if u find it stupid or not...fifa's statement about corinthians world title

[farmboy]

more games means more fixture congestion, so clubs would never go for it.
i think what it comes down to is that, rightly or wrongly, european clubs are seen as the strongest in the world (certainly they have the largest payrolls) so there isn't the interest level in watching a top european team play what is at least viewed as a lesser club on the world stage, especially when the game takes place in a significantly different timezone.

 

[brunomarmos7]

more games means more fixture congestion, so clubs would never go for it.
i think what it comes down to is that, rightly or wrongly, european clubs are seen as the strongest in the world (certainly they have the largest payrolls) so there isn't the interest level in watching a top european team play what is at least viewed as a lesser club on the world stage, especially when the game takes place in a significantly different timezone.

Yes, different timezones is a point that I don't agree too. But even if the tournament is going to be in Europe, ALL THE EUROPE TEAMS are AFRAID OF South American teams... because they know that when they buy 1 player here, another 2 grow up and become better than the old one.

Europe keep being the central of soccer in world because of his economy. But now, specially in Brazil (that is becoming a 1º World Country), the salaries are starting to be in the same level as in some countries of Europe and a lot of players are coming back to Brazil now.

 

[Mus]

all the european teams are not afraid of south american teams.

 

[tinytim]

all the european teams are not afraid of south american teams.

are u sure? everytime a south american team plays against you european guys they usually beat the crap out of you. even são paulo b team played against everton in 2004 if I remember well and it went 4-1 to sao paulo. in 1996, palmeiras 6-1 against borussia dortmund. just face it, you're usually humiliated.

 

[farmboy]

Europe keep being the central of soccer in world because of his economy.

You, sir, just hit the nail on the head. The European clubs still can afford to pay the most players the highest salaries, so they can still buy the top South American talent. And, as the economics would have it, people are more willing to pay top dollar to watch the best players, so the European clubs still turn the highest profits, as well, which in turn allows them to turn around and buy even more talent. As you alluded to, that may not last forever, but it's definitely true right now.
The World Cup is much more interesting and balanced, since it's immune to this problem, but we already knew that.

 

[tinytim]

it used to be exactly the opposite in the past

 

[Kibe Kru]

we hear around that's actually...hmmm...fear.

Yes, different timezones is a point that I don't agree too. But even if the tournament is going to be in Europe, ALL THE EUROPE TEAMS are AFRAID OF South American teams... because they know that when they buy 1 player here, another 2 grow up and become better than the old one.

Europe keep being the central of soccer in world because of his economy. But now, specially in Brazil (that is becoming a 1º World Country), the salaries are starting to be in the same level as in some countries of Europe and a lot of players are coming back to Brazil now.

Actually, they're not afraid. It'd be foolish for them to be. The thing is, there's no point in it for them. Let's say current club world champs, Man U. They've beaten LDU from Ecuador. But really, did it do them any good? is their reputation now enhanced? of course not! they were already known as a world class side, and still are, and would still be had they lost... LDU, on the other hand, had a lot to gain in terms of reputation, and respect in S. Am., and absolutely nothing to lose. That's the case for most of the matches between S.Am. and Euro clubs...

 

[Help?]

are u sure? everytime a south american team plays against you european guys they usually beat the crap out of you. even são paulo b team played against everton in 2004 if I remember well and it went 4-1 to sao paulo. in 1996, palmeiras 6-1 against borussia dortmund. just face it, you're usually humiliated.

That's cause nobody actually gives a crap about those games. At least half the guys on the sao paulo team were playing their ass off, hoping to get noticed and for some european team to come in and scout them to europe (hopefully everton even), where is nobody on the everton team would want to go to south america. Its just the way it is, south american teams look forward to those games, whereas european teams look forward to the excursion tours before those games.

 

[Mus]

yeah, they worry more about how the game v the south american team will affect their next game and try to decide how many players they will need to be resting

 

[Zlatan]

There's only one world cup for me:

 

[Arnau]

are u sure? everytime a south american team plays against you european guys they usually beat the crap out of you. even são paulo b team played against everton in 2004 if I remember well and it went 4-1 to sao paulo. in 1996, palmeiras 6-1 against borussia dortmund. just face it, you're usually humiliated.

thats because for a southamerican that title its the top, for us just a crappy friendly. its like the holidays basket friendly btw NBa team and europe one, barça almost won lakers lol

and i just can't get european guys. I mean, don't they think important to fight against the other clubs of the world?

i cant just get that lol. i mean where is the motivation to play vs Gamba osaka, al alhy, Colo Colo, Sao paulo wtfff we want to do it vs manchester, inter juve mandril WBA chelsea liverpool etc... !! CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ! the biggest tittle

 

[tinytim]

thats because for a southamerican that title its the top, for us just a crappy friendly. its like the holidays basket friendly btw NBa team and europe one, barça almost won lakers lol



i cant just get that lol. i mean where is the motivation to play vs Gamba osaka, al alhy, Colo Colo, Sao paulo wtfff we want to do it vs manchester, inter juve mandril WBA chelsea liverpool etc... !! CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ! the biggest tittle

it only goes to show you're more focused on brand names rather than players.

manchester, juve, liverpool...these clubs are almost like trademarks.

but does it mean the other clubs you mentioned...don't have players who actually can play beautifully, score and beat you?

as far as I remember, barça fans and plaeyrs as well as liverpool fans and players got really pissed when são paulo defeated them.

i never met a player that goes onto the pitch just because he's paid for. he wants to win.

and if u state that now, it's the same case of old tale about the fox and the grapes, like i said before.

 

[Kibe Kru]

Of course people would get mad at losing, but not as much as they'd be disappointed for losing any CL match. Or League match. Ask any Chelsea fan how they felt after Terry missed the PK, and then compare it to Liverpool after their defeat to Sao Paulo. Hell, Liverpool supporters probably care more about Chelsea vs Man U than they cared about Liverpool vs Sao Paulo. Actually, most fans reactions were about how the distraction is over and how they can concentrate on the other competitions. Man U is the same this year, and they won the whole thing!

You can keep telling yourself Europeans care about the World Club Championship, but that won't change what they really think about it. They've written it here, ffs!

You have a Barca fan, an Ajax fan, a Juve fan and a Man U fan telling you they don't care, while you and another brazilian guy say they care. Do you notice a pattern there?

 

[Mus]

sure they want to win, but they are not going to pull out that extra 10% abouve what they already are giving. the extra 10% that players give is usually the difference between a win and a loss. every single player on a non european team when pitched up against a european team will give that extra 10% and sometimes more, whilst european players will just go through the motions

 

[Arnau]

manchester, juve, liverpool...these clubs are almost like trademarks.

yeah maybe you are right but i see something diferent in liverpool, its a bit more than a club.

 

[thelordspawn]

some months ago, i spent some time and words here trying to find out peoples' opinion about corinthians world title in 2000.

i got out of the discussion feeling that the world was 'bambinized' - yes, we call bambi sao paulo fans, who are the biggest opponents to the idea that corinthians it is actually a world champion, regardless of playing a libertadores cup...well, that's what happened with france, uruguay, argentina, germany and other countries that staged world cups.

instead of promoting a discussion - no matter if that would be transformed in a board of jokes over corinthians comparing to other clubs, as it happened here, with many germany club fans (a certain deisler) being quite rude about how 'big' bayern munich is, i also had to take an uruguayan fan use this space to kinda...hmmm...promote a 'self-help' (is it correct?) or 'confession' session, saying how unfair history had been with uruguay.

man, what a lame discussion. i promised myself don't ever come back here for that, because that made me sick. oh of course...i didn't want to participate in international fights over matters that are officially recognized...just be a little bit less ignorant and read more, and anyone can realize that.

anyway...who cares? i'm gonna post it here, anyway...no matter how much the big wise smart brainiac football guys here find it stupid or wrong. if u wanna disagree, that's ur problem. understand what fifa says about it and if u, south american...obsessed with libertadores, can't recognize it...or u sao paulo fan bambi, will never do it anyway...or u european, don't give a damn...to the hell with all of u.

here are some cuts and highlights from this text of fifa offic. web site:


http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/Clubworld/tournament/0,4133,CWC-2006-104,00.html



The idea to hold a championship to decide the world’s best team was dreamt up in the late 1950s. During those post-WWII years when sport was helping the world come together and soothe painful memories of conflict, football in Europe and South America continued its global dominance.

So as competition club football grew up with the introduction of the European Cup (1955/5) and the Copa Libertadores (1960), it was only natural that the Intercontinental Cup should be a match between clubs from these two distant continents.

But with so much riding on the matches, passions, on and off the pitch, had begun to get out of control by the late 1960s and while South American teams still viewed it as their ultimate club contest, European sides had largely come to regard the annual challenge as being more trouble that it was worth.

With the noble idea seemingly approaching a lingering death, Japan stepped in as saviours in 1980 offering to stage a one-off match, the Toyota Cup in Tokyo (latterly Yokohama).

One thing was missing though – a true world club tournament needed clubs from the whole world.

Continental club championships had long since kicked off in all confederations. First in the North, Central America and the Caribbean (CONCACAF) in 1962, then in Africa (CAF) in 1965, in Asia (AFC) in 1967, while Oceania (OFC) did not organise a tournament until 1999. World class stars were rapidly emerging from these new footballing lands but, unlike Pele in 1962, those top players were disallowed from being able to pit their wits against those from European and South American clubs because of the exclusivity of the championship.

The idea to stage a global club competition pre-dated the ultimate Toyota Cup. Having seen the financial might of European club sides only increase at the end of the 20th century and with the goal of uniting and promoting the game fairly in the football world, FIFA had wrestled with the notion of including a multi-confederation club competition on the international match calendar for some time.

In January 2000 those plans were realised when eight teams contested the first FIFA Club World Championship in Brazil, which was won by Corinthians. The second tournament did not take place as scheduled though as discussions across the globe continued in order to reach a compromise between finding space in an already rich match calendar and upholding the principle of a viable club competition involving champions from each continent.

A solution was reached in 2004. The FIFA Club World Championship would build on the foundations laid by the Toyota Cup with the six continental champions participating in a knockout tournament.



Winners
Intercontinental Cup

1960 Real Madrid
1961 Peñarol
1962 Santos
1963 Santos
1964 Internazionale
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1977 Boca Juniors
1978 No competition
1979 Olimpia


Toyota Cup
1980 Nacional
1981 Flamengo
1982 Peñarol
1983 Grêmio
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1992 São Paulo
1993 São Paulo
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2005 São Paulo

FIFA Club World Championship Brazil 2000
Corinthians

remember: fifa said that a true competition should be created and the text 'links' it right after to the WCC in 2000.

more:

http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/Clubworld/tournament/0,6537,CWC-2006-106,00.html


okdok?

this is by far the dumbest thing i've ever read on this forum

 

[Ruben Sosa]

Re-reading this thread 3 years later is even worse than it was reading it for the first time 3 years ago.

 

[tinytim]

I mean no disrespect here but...we should all regard each other's opinions, indeed should we...but should I give any consideration to the opinion of a by definitinion complaining and mumbler uruguayan football fan? I mean, everytime a football subject is brought, you usually recall the glorious days of your 'celeste'.

 

[Kibe Kru]

is it really that important for you that some random SGer actually thinks Corinthians means anything in the global scheme? Jeez, if you actually participated in SG threads regularly, talking about other stuff, then maybe people would take you seriously, but come on, you only ever come here to talk about Corinthians, and how awesome they are, and how they're much better than anything the world has ever seen, reviving old threads in the process... Nobody in Europe gives a crap about the World Club Championship as it is, it'll take a while for them to even think of it.

As for the Uruguayan, it's not like you can talk a lot about them, eh? At least when he talks of how glorious they were, they're talking about World Cups, not some random club competition nobody cares about.

 

[tinytim]

don't be offended, but the only reason why I ressurected that thread was to find out what happened to it. it was fun. sorry, but I don't need your guidance. I really don't. and it really impresses me that you even mentioned - or maybe I'm wrong - that you're a Corinthians supporter? you go like 'they don't give a crap about that championship and do you know what? they're right'. to the hell with you, pal. and to the hell with uruguayan football as well. I'm here for the sake. Stop annoying.