you like my drawing?

[MaestroZidane]

I was going to say something similar, but I'd figured I wait for Shifty to do it first since he would know more from firsthand experience. you should read the following as well, it's a good read and it's something I've heard before in the last couple of years.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100569350

 

[ShiftyPowers]

The other dirty little secret that no one in the profession wants to say is that law school is fucking easy as hell. Tucker Max spent a semester in Cancun. I showed up literally 3 times for one of my classes and consistently had comically bad attendance in most. The more law schools that spring up (and oh yes, more more more more more all the time because it is big money), the more lawyers, because you have to be a complete dunce to fail out of law school. The barrier to entry is pretty much: "did you or someone in your place put up $150,000? good you're a lawyer!"

E: Now, jschuck, because of your background, you'd probably have a bit of a leg up in stuff like securities law, tax law, or whatever. Congratulations, it's the most boring and requires the most time!

 

[Mandieta6]

I was gonna suggest go overseas, but I assume law competences aren't transferrable.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

They actually should be, at least between common law nations. You don't learn laws in law school, you learn how to read, research, and interpret. But no, you can't do that.

 

[jschuck12001]

I edited more in. It has a lot to do with the economy, but truth is that the economy tanking has led the legal profession to shift the business model to an exploitative one and lawyers are getting screwed like every profession these days; firms are farming out tons of stuff to slaves who will do anything to get their foot in the door. In a way it's a lot like in academia where no one gets tenure anymore and those with PhDs just drift from one adjunct job to the next. Lots of work is getting farmed out to India as well.

If you can get out with under... let's say $20-25k in debt... it might not be the worst career move, but if you get up to 50, 100, 150, 200k (yes, people are taking out this much in loans to go to law school) it is not worth it. The other option is that a T14 degree still does hold weight. So that's Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Chicago (don't go here), NYU, Penn, Duke, Virginia, Cal, Michigan, Cornell, Northwestern, and Georgetown. I'd even say Cornell and Georgetown are dicey.

Those schools are not even a remote possibility, I would be looking at Stetson here in Tampa. I cant believe all the legal work is getting outsourced overseas, I had no idea. The bankruptcy and foreclosure attorneys seem to be busy down here in Florida but this state is one of the worst when its comes to job loss and the housing market. Its crazy how China has wiped out our manufacturing and now India has taken down IT, Human Resources, Customer Service and Legal.

I definitely wouldn't want to deal with Securities or Tax law, but I wouldn't mind taking what I have learned while working at the banks and using it against them to help people they screw over on a daily basis.

 

[Theodorakis]

They actually should be, at least between common law nations. You don't learn laws in law school, you learn how to read, research, and interpret. But no, you can't do that.

which means even though it is accepted, you can only practice your profession in the UK.

bummer.

btw none of that you wrote against being a lawyer are worse than being in the battlefield.

but it's the system in the US I guess. I can't believe you can loan and be in debt for $250k just to earn your profession. they arrange the system so that you be in debt, then they soldier you on.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

btw none of that you wrote against being a lawyer are worse than being in the battlefield.

Being on the battlefield isn't a common occurrence. 20 year retirement, huge number of benefits including preference in jobs, out of this world respect from people, ability to travel, housing and food stipend, loan payoff, not hating myself every day... nah man, Army beats lawyering as long as you aren't money focused. I only need enough money to live a certain lifestyle, but unfortunately city life in the USA is a never ending chase for more and more money, status, private school tuition, college tuition, blah blah blah. Nah man, not for me.

Also, if one were politically inclined, a law degree and a military career might look pretty good in the USA, wouldn't you agree? Not that I'm thinking about it necessarily, just acknowledging the truth; I don't know where my priorities will be at 50.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Those schools are not even a remote possibility, I would be looking at Stetson here in Tampa.

Only if you aren't paying for it. I didn't go to one of those T14 school either, but I do know a guy from another message board who went to Michigan Law. He's doing consulting in South Korea, and it was either because he couldn't find a job or because he realized legal work is horrible.

 

[Zyreq]

Not enough Susan Boyle in this thread.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

sepak what if Shifty get blown to pieces by a Syrian rocket attack and his last thoughts are ".....but sepak never made me that picture.......", how could you live with yourself then!?

 

[Theodorakis]

sepak what if Shifty get blown to pieces by a Syrian rocket attack and his last thoughts are ".....but sepak never made me that picture.......", how could you live with yourself then!?

he'll probably say "meh".

 

[Sepak]

sepak what if Shifty get blown to pieces by a Syrian rocket attack and his last thoughts are ".....but sepak never made me that picture.......", how could you live with yourself then!?

I've done worse things
I realised I draw very slow
but he said he could use it until monday night

 

[Sepak]

damn it

 

[CarlosDanger]

You should draw him a sham lam doobily.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

I think he has a few more hours....

 

[MaestroZidane]

Its like CL final with 15 minutes to go and you're down by one, Sepak, you get those two goals.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I'm still checking in from the phone, but I'm totally out of contact at midnight.

 

[CarlosDanger]

6 weeks, right?

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

16 weeks