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WOW- the Football Fusion works really well

MaceII

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Originally posted by christianx
Hey, Macell, it´s great that you´re providing some info on this! I was wondering if you could answer some questions?

1. Roughly how long will the loading times be when you import a game from tcm to Fifa?
2. There are many teams in TCM that is not in FIFA...how will these teams look? I realize that there will not be correct badges, sponsors, and faces. Neither will the commentators say the players names. BUT...will the kits at least resemble the original by having right colors? Will the stats of the players correlate to Fifa? Will black players be black? Will blond players have blond hair, etc? In other words...what kind of realism are we to expect?
3. There are many player stats in TCM that is not in Fifa...how does this affect the fusion games?
4. How about stadiums? Are there more or less in TCM? Will the created ones show up in fusion mode?
5. What about difficulty modes? Can they be separate? For instance can the tcm part of the game be set to easy, while the fusion games are played in world class mode?
6. Is there a difference in gameplay between TCM fusion and Fifa? If so...what?

.....
PS. I also have a distinct tcm question...what does the difficulty level effect? Is it just that you get less money on harder levels, or is it also harder to buy players and so on?

Here are sum of your answers

1. Totally depends on your machine, the first game took ages for me...about 40-50 secs...but the subsequent games were very fast...for me faster than FIFA2003's loading time.

2. These teams will look exatly as they do in TCM 2004 if they have defined forms...if they dont have defined forms...TCM uses a fixed set of player types with sum randomisation..whiles FIFA2004 does the rest..you'd need Creaction centre to change the faces of a team..for e.g...export team from TCM2k4 into FIFA 2k4 then edit the faces using Creation centre or EA editor and change them.

THe kits will resemble the ones in TCM2004, and the cool thing is TCM 2004 has an editor where you can change/design kits...it is these kits that would show in the fusion match.

Black players should be black in a fusion matches, and blond haired players blond haird players...i haven't tested this fully...i will though..i think what EA did, was give TCM 2004 enormous editing features and as it has FIFA 2004's 3D engine..what you edit in TCM 2004 you can export to FIFA2004..i think there plan was to force you who have FIFA 2004 only to buy TCM2004 (as they are well behind Champinship manager sales) and us forum users are editing maniacs, that way, you also get a creation centre of sorts as you can edit so much in TCM2004 editor (but for £30 instead of for free). But if FIFA 2004 has full player profiles (faces,boots etc)... TCM2004 uses the FIFA 2004 player feature (i.e. FIFA2004 has Henry's face, so a fusion macth will have Henry's face...if a face isn't in FIFA2004 a default one is used with default features) u know why? because the engine is the same, besides, this is the advantage fusion has...u can actually play the games with FIFA 2004 graphics. The player stats i.e. ratings, are set by TCM2004 not FIFA2004, FIFA2004 only controls the looks.

You are to expect FIFA 2004 realism...thats the whole idea afterall

Yes players stats etc are controlled by TCM 2004, not FIFA 2004...this is harder to verify..but what i've noticed matches up with that..and it makes sense.

3. Yes there are many player stats in TCM2004 that arent in FIFA2004.. his is harder to determine the effect.. but TCM204 determines the tactics and strategy of the Fusion game so will therefore employ its own stats. This is what i noticed..i noticed that there are far many more parameters of players and play in FIFA 2004 that cannot be edited in FIFA2004 with the normal menus unless you open the files in the game-directory and do some serious editing. TCM2004 uses and changes these parameters so that the effects are apparent in a Fusion game. So e.g. the Arsenal in TCM 2004 depending on what your progress with Arsenal in TCM2004 is..would have very different parametrs from the default Arsenal on FIFA 2004. Off course i could be wrong there...fusion could use the default team parameters..but i dont think so..the only default features the fusion match uses from FIFA2004 are the graphics engine, and some of the game setting options, like default half-length, controller type...

4 The stadiums...i'll get back to u on that..it would be amazing if they showed as well beacuse TCM 2004 has a stadium editor. I think what they did was incorporate sum of the editors some of the guys on here use to use.

5. Yes I think it may very well do, this is something i haven't fully tested yet though...you see, TCM controls the tactics of the game and the AI of the match...the difficulty setting therefore I think is set to a limited extent by TCM 2004 as far as a managing editing progrma is meant to do, for match games however, its possible that this changes though..i think TCM has the ability to set a really difficult match, by altering the opponent settings quite extensively...but no ..u can't change any setting in FIFA 2004 during a fusion match..what you get from FIFA2004 that isn't changed by TCM2004 during a fusion match is something that is already default. If the game difficulty setting of FIFA 2004 is used, then the CPU responds accordingly with the general ball physics, gameplay handicaps that difficulty level imposes but in addition the AI will adapt all the other parameters like tactics etc from the values TCM 2004 imports to it as those ones are defined in TCM2004 whiles the others mentioned just now aren't defined in TCN2004 but in FIFA2004. So there are sum features that TCM doesnn't bother to take into account which is why afterall , FUsion is an advantage otherwise u can simply just have TCM2004 to play games w/o givin EA £30 more...apart from the graphics, u wouldn't need to buy FIFA2004..TCM has no parameters for how the opposiiotns tactics will atually play out in response to u when actually watching/playin a live match (because in TCM2004 alone, the most control u have in actual play is as a manager shouting orders to team, like shoot, or pass as u see it been played out as text, 3D, or 2d, so u see, there are setting parameters that FIFA2004 provides...the game play aparemeters whiles TCM will provide the overall tactivs the matches AI will take)) ...this is where i suspect it will use the FIFA 2004 difficulty settings..and so maybe it uses both...the hardest being WOrld class as a default in FIFA2004

6. I dont think there is..taking in to account all i've said before, FUsion allows you to use TCM tactics and stats/player profiles etc in FIFA2004 gameplay engine, graphics, specific player faces n music, etc

Together FIFA2004 and TCM2004 come close to the ultimate footie game (for me, it falls short because u can't curve the ballin gameplay wuith passing as u cud in FIFA2002 - that aside for the 1st time i say FIFA2004 is the best FIFA yet)

TCM 2004 and FIFA 2004 in FUSION really ROCKs...
TCM focuses on everything sourrounding and leading up to matches...whiles the during match features are pretty limited.....FIFA 2004 focuses mainly on the matches themselves, the palyer apperaances, graphics on the matchday, etc whiles the surrounding effects like the tables, fatigue, traingin, etc, are lame. its like having a multiplayer CAREER seriously...a friend can be Deportivo in la Liga, while you are Juventus and ITaly...and another mate is Arsenal and France, or manages Liverpool and England..and you'd go through all the matches... properly, set trainign , scouting, improve skills etc...play all the champions league matches, home matches, cup matches, league matches...you have 7 substitute players on bench in Champions league, whiles only 5 in the league...stuff like that...really Awesome.
 

christianx

Youth Team
Thank you so very much for answering my questions (not even the mods at Fifa Uk would bother to do that)!!!

So...if I understand correctly...difficulty level, graphic settings, camera angels and so on are manipulated from within Fifa 2004? This would then mean that the zoom setting I have in Fifa will show up in a fusion game as well?

And another thing...I think you said somewhere in this thread that you did not know how to substitute a player during a game using fusion? Someone on the TCM boards said that all you have to do is press F1 or F 2. :)
 

spottypuck

Club Supporter
I have a quick question before i fork out the money to ship it over to Canada:crazyboy:

I am using the TCM2004 demo and when I use football fusion, it seems I can only use the keyboard to play. I have 2 gamepads hooked up but it doesn't seem to detect them. Is anyone else haveing this problem? I'm guessing its just a demo thing and if I buy the game all will go well. I hope.
 

claupastore

Fan Favourite
it depends on what gamepad you have, it doesnt detects all of them.

and yes, buying these two games is the way to go if you want a complite football experience.

the only bad thing that i have to say, is that when im playing with juventus in football fusion, the away kit, which is the pink one, looks red and doesnt have the juve or fastweb logo.
it could be my computer but everything else looks perfect so i dont get it.
could anyone try it out and post what you saw?
thanx
 

breamster

Senior Squad
I am playing TCM and using the Fusion feature within this. Only thing is many of the players that have specific faces in FIFA 2004 dont in TCM, the likes of crespo, van nistelrooy, etc...

does anyone else see this as well?
 

cwhein

Reserve Team
Where do the clubs show up when you import them from TCM2004 to FIFA 2004? Is there a special "Footbal Fusion" menu with the teams? Do the teams bring with their assigned stadiums?

Also, can anyone confirm whether Football Fusion is possible with a North American copy of FIFA 2004? I've seen someone mention that FF capabilities are disabled in N.A. FIFA 2004 discs.
 

Jomi

Reserve Team
Originally posted by cwhein
Where do the clubs show up when you import them from TCM2004 to FIFA 2004? Is there a special "Footbal Fusion" menu with the teams? Do the teams bring with their assigned stadiums?

Also, can anyone confirm whether Football Fusion is possible with a North American copy of FIFA 2004? I've seen someone mention that FF capabilities are disabled in N.A. FIFA 2004 discs.

When imported to Fifa 2004, the clubs show in the teams menu.
There is a " new " league called Football Fusion
But you have no image from the badges and no image from the kits as far as I know. Pretty useless so !
I have not checked for the stadiums, but I don't think they are imported.
Concerning the US version, here is what's written in the locale file found in the root directory
" Fusion gets disabled in code if we're running on a North American machine."
So it doesn't seem possible.

I've got TCM since a few days and I'm not so enthusiastic.
First of all I must admit that I'm not so a big fan of managers game

A few things I don't like:

-The editor seems not so reliable.I've made quite a few changes and they don't always appear in the game even when I'm starting a new game
_ I have imported a team in Fifa 2004 ( AS Monaco ) to test the fusion mode but the tactic I set in TCM was not respected in Fifa
In TCM was 4-4-2 att, in Fifa was always 4-3-3
-- You can only import 10 teams max. in Fifa and those teams are the ones from the leagues that already are in Fifa ( but not from
Brazil and rest of the world )
You cannot for ex. import Dynamo Kiev (which is in TCM with real player names)
_It seems that you cannot fix the line ups of the teams that you DON'T control ( tell me if I'm wrong ) and there are sooo many mistakes in the rosters !!!

I know I've been playing the game for only 3 days so it's too soon to make a definitive judgment but i remain sceptical
 

MaceII

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There is a patch available for TCM 2004, its called v1.1 download it...it should fix a lot of problems etc, n should help correct the wrong fusion faces.
 

Darko

Club Supporter
I am wondring one thing...will it be a yugoslav league in TCM 2004?There is no Serbia teams and i want to play with partizan...do anyone know if they will be later?
 

Jomi

Reserve Team
Originally posted by MaceII
There is a patch available for TCM 2004, its called v1.1 download it...it should fix a lot of problems etc, n should help correct the wrong fusion faces.

I have done it .
MaceII, do you know if there is a way to change or control the line up of your opponent ? because I observed that a lot of players are not in their right positions.
 

ishan1990

Senior Squad
I'm sorry if i sound stupid, but is there football fusion for us people currently living in the U.S. with a ps2? I dont see a football fusion option on my ps2 menues. Thanks for all the info. I wish i lived in italy.
 

birthek

Youth Team
Originally posted by Fellachap
it may just be me, but i think the whole playing games thing in fifa is awful. You don't play fifa 2004, you play the 3d game in tcm 2004. That may sound odd, in fact i'm a little confused about what i've said!! :p .

I don't think it plays like fifa much, it just feels different (not to mention the buttons are different :crazyboy: , took me a while to work that out) It's really slow, even slower than fifa which is quite hard to believe. And i'm not too happy with the AI of my team, i've played a couple of games using fusion and the AI has conceded 4 penalties!!!!! not good not too mention not fair!!

In some way i hope this was because i was near the bottom of the league and my fitness wasn't the best. If this is the case then i might be able to let it off. I am only contemplating this might be the case because macell seems to like it alot, but i'm not holding out much hope!!

I agree completely ... played the Danish premier division and the opponents are too weak. TCM / Football Fusion looks like Fifa but it plays differently. The opponent teams are too defensive ... I think my possesion is something like 80 % and this is playing against teams of the same strenght as mine...

I hope EA will patch this problem.... at least making a difficulty option for the 3D game part ...
 

james_chelliah

Youth Team
I'm sorry if i sound stupid, but is there football fusion for us people currently living in the U.S. with a ps2? I dont see a football fusion option on my ps2 menues. Thanks for all the info. I wish i lived in italy.


From what ive heard...no...i dont think you can...sorry...not completely sure though..



I live in London and haf the PS2 version of both the games. Works pretty well. But one mistake ive spotted with the football fusion is that with your deffenders...if you play 4-4-2, it gets kinda screwed. Since in TCM the line up is listed as :


RB
LB
CB
CB

but in FIFA its listed as :


RB
CB
CB
LB



So fifa doesnt regonize well, and my CB ends up becomin my LB and vice versa.

So sometimes i 4get to change it at the start of the match, and then i conceed a goal, cuz marcel desaily shows up at LB:crazyboy:


i dun think alot of ppl noticed this.
Hope to haf helped
 

MaceII

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Originally posted by Darko
I am wondring one thing...will it be a yugoslav league in TCM 2004?There is no Serbia teams and i want to play with partizan...do anyone know if they will be later?

Erm ...there are Serbia teams in TCM 2004 they are
Niksic
Novi Sad
O. Beograd
Obilic
P.Beograd
R. Beograd
Smederevo
Zeleznik
 

MaceII

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Originally posted by Jomi
I have done it .
MaceII, do you know if there is a way to change or control the line up of your opponent ? because I observed that a lot of players are not in their right positions.

No idea..i can only assume that the manager of the other club has chosen aradically different line up..which happens. Remember the posiiotns we see sum clubs play players is in isn't the same as it wud be ounder a different manager...the AI uses algorithms to determine the line-up...you will see what i mean if you ask the Assitant manager to select your line up...very different from what Arsene Wenger will pick..AI normally goes for strongest..but not always..sometimes the highest stats isn't the best guide because you have to take things like, morale, fitness etc into account

If you meant this for FIFA2004, then forget it, there isn't away to change the oppositions default line up without an editor or spending a lot of time in the menus before starting a career. And FIFA2004 teams dont change to fit scircumstances...they always the same.
 

cwhein

Reserve Team
I love Total Club Manager 2004 and the Football Fusion option - I don't really play FIFA 2004 anymore - I play TCM and then export all my matches to Football Fusion.

The FF games play differently than FIFA 2004 games - the defense it a bit looser in the middle near the box but it is a lot harder to break down the wings. You don't lose the ball on tackles automatically either - a lot of times you either retain possession or the ball is free and you have to chase it down. It's easier to get thru-balls to run onto in the box.

The TCM editor is pretty good - I started creating the MLS teams.

I have FIFA 2004 & TCM 2004 as well as PES3 and CM03/04 and I prefer the EA titles over the competition - together they're almost the perfect game for me.

Football Fusion alone isn't really that good - you can export 10 teams to FIFA but you can only load 8 of them to play Friendlies.
 


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