john2gr said:I don't know if this guy is a true PES gamer.........but the same happens with every new version of PES.At first we get reviews saying <<This is the best>> and generally the comments of the Overall valuation.Later after some months we find so many bugs that we start complaining.And then we praise every new version of it (untill we start complaining again for it after some months).And seriously what about all known problems of PES series,like the super cancel thing you have to do when chasing a ball.What about all these complains of the previous versions which might still exist and in this new version?Do i have to be happy that Konami gave us after a whole year a patched version of PES4??This strategy reminds me of EA to be honest.
As i said from the videos it seems like an upgrade of PES4 and the movement reminds me of PES4 and it's not the difference we saw between PES3 and PES4 or any other newest version of PES compared to the previous one.I'm pretty sure after a while we'll find spots from where to score goals (anyone remember the long shots of PES4??Oh no?Check the best gif goals then.What happened to the non-linear scoring??Ohhhhhh i see,the reviewers didn't have so much time).I don't have high expectations from PES5 to be honest though and that's why i'll give Fifa a try.Now i don't say that Fifa is better,damn the only Fifa i liked is Fifa98 but what the f*ck??If i don't like both Fifa's new version or PES5 i'll surely stick to PES3 as someone ironically said.........but keep in mind that these guys praising PES5 may start first complaining about it
Konami has lost it's way.Now i don't care for fanboys claiming every new version as the best.I want to play a hard simulation soccer game.And PES4 isn't and it's not it's difficulty.Even when i win i don't have the satisfaction of PES3,i can save a match and show you all these "bugs" but most of us know them.And from the videos PES5 seems like PES4 sadly.So i guess i'll find out when the PC version is released,but i'm not holding my breath as i was with PES3 and this is a sad thing for Konami.I hope to be proved wrong though,it will be a nice suprise this........but we'll see
hey there, believe me its different from we8/pes4 videos tell lies
my fren who i played we9 with in his house even remarked: "i believe they changed the game engine" and hes been playin pes ever since he got his ps2 which is like 4 yrs ago.
now for my impressions on why its soooo goooddd and way diff from pes4/we8
1. reworked passing, shooting heading and keeper animations: its so muchhh better and realistic, in pes4 u often see players make passes more with their outside foot and their toes
but in we9 they DO use their Sidefoot ALOT more, much more realistic. and the passing is not as accurate as b4, it really depends a lot on ur positioning, the angle u r making the pass and of course the player's passing stats!! to me excellent players really stand out, and u can see awfull players really making awful passes Thats depth in passing!juz like in real life
2. The game's pace is muchhh slower, no more the famous "pinball" effect in pes4, though i heard we series is slower but i definitely like it and one impt thing: YOU CAN up the tempo if u want, the game allows for quick breakaways as well as slow build up play, my m8 and i scored a couple from quick counter attacks. plus the formation affects ur play more and more, my m8 in his office actually thought of the ideal formation to utilise rooney and co
we tried it, had a torrid time against chelsea and her wingers 
3. The nature of the game engine and gameplay means your tactics play a more impt role, putting the rite players in the rite positions to maximise their abilities and exploitng the opp's weakness, Even the AI does that! they stroke arnd the ball in midfield, making it hard to get it off them then suddenly a killer thru ball comes, they found a weakness
i love this part cos it gives u much more satisfaction when u score or the disbelief when u concede 1
4. as for the sidesteps done with R2 in pes4 now automatic, its not so bad, in fact its very useful when u noe how to use it! :P and i think its not exactly default, i'm still able to turn normally, though much harder which again lets the outstandiing like kaka and ronaldinho stand out from the rest.
overall its a BIG improvement from pes4, i juz love it, as some1 above has mentioned the feeling, emotions, guts and sheer ecstasy from playing it outweighs any other game. It almost feels like u are watching a end to end soccer match and the occasional dull boring matches!
and i did download fifa06 demo, felt like pes4 but slower and better AI, tog with poorer ball physics, plus it doesn't offer the lvl of depth the we/pes series offered.
thanks in advance carlitos 
