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Winning Eleven 6 First Impressions
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Dave has a right to say what he wants about WE. Its insane, ridiculous,and most of all naive to call him a liar,and someone who doesnt "know" football because he doesnt like WE.
You WE fanatics need to cool down and at least show some actual proof of why WE is better then FIFA to people like Dave.
You WE fanatics need to cool down and at least show some actual proof of why WE is better then FIFA to people like Dave.
Originally posted by nickclubman
WE6:FE is incredible though at time I so agree sending players' on a run at the push of a button like FIFA would be welcome, but the overall gameplay kills FIFA 2003!!
NK.
I think it would ruin the brilliant gamplay. You'd have through balls left right and center, balance would suffer. It's beter to get some satisfaction after a great run innitiated by the AI....
[READ MY POST VERY, VERY SLOWLY]
nets? you talkin about nets?
i love how the net creases in we6 after the ball flies into the goal - i've never seen anything more realistic.
anyways Del Piero - you ain't played WE/PES so s^, you're just a blind FIFA FANBOY.
my advice is: stick to FIFA, stick to FIFA 4 EVA. when WE comes out for PC don't buy it, - stick to FIFA, you got nothin to prove...
you'll never be happy with WE, just like your friend Dave said - the game is overhyped, requires brains to play and stuff, hours of mastering...
i'm telling you - stick to FIFA - you'll be better off making your lil' run-ins in FIFA than actually trying to work one out in WE. which key is it? R, do u make a run-in with R in FIFA?
Players in WE6I don't make no run-ins. There ain't no players in WE - WE is a bowling game.
as for the WE First Impressionist - don't like WE? - stick to FIFA.
HYPE - none of your concern, why would you even listen to hype? you're hype dependent? why not read some reviews first, rent the game... you bought the game, you think it sucks - not our fault you don't like it.
stick to FIFA, return WE6I - there a lots of ppl who are waiting for back order / next shipment of this game - make your life & somebody elses life easier.
Say what? laggy controls? here's what you should do:
lets say you're watching a soccer game, you got you ps2 standing right next to your TV Set - grab your controler and when you see a player on TV in the penalty box area, facing away from the goal - press [] on your controler (we6i shoot button).
what happens? nothing.
oh!!!!!!!! i got it! since the guy is in no postition to take a shot - he just won't do it! YEEEEEEEEEY!!!!!
good old FIFA - same situation - would you shoot/score - ye, i think so. 300mph? hell ye.
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i just bored myself to death, wasted 30 mins of my precious time so i hope you fifa ppl get the message:
STICK TO FIFA! - you're too good for WE.
You can't tell!!! I believe this guy, Dave....HAS tried the game and found it difficoult! I believe it must be quite a change from Fifa to PES or WE....my friend who owns WE and PES speaks very highly about it, and told me, that it took many hours of practice! I believe him, and I believe this guy Dave.
Daniel Jones
Youth Team
Is it just me or does this thread belong in ISS/WE/PES vs FIFA forum?
Bunch of idiots
OK after seeing how some of you complete tools treated the author of this thread, I just realize exactly why I haven't posted here in almost a year.
All of you just can't stand your precious WE game to be criticized by someone who isn't a total fool about the game that you love so much. HEY GUESS WHAT ? PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE SOMETHING SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP IT ! LIVE WITH IT !
Now, I am someone who completely gave up FIFA years ago and even sold my copy of FIFA 99 to buy ISS Pro Evolution on the PSone. I too, came and wrote a completely critical review of ISS PE when I first played it.
For months I heard people praising this game left and right, saying it was the most realistic game ever to appear on a console, that the controls were awesome, the player reactions, etc. Even though I liked the game a lot and learned to play it so well, including using in-game strategies, and got the shooting down pat, I still always thought that the game needed much improvement.
When I bought my first PS2 game, I decided to buy FIFA 2002 (huge mistake...what a piece of sh|t) because I couldn't find any ISS games here in the United States, and I could not get a modchip to play any PAL games, so I was stuck with my decision. FIFA 2002 made me miss a lot of ISS's gameplay, and I don't play FIFA 2002 anymore.
I bought World Cup 2002 and I thought that was a great improvement, but still very flawed. EA will never get it together, and that's something I have come to terms with. I hate FIFA games with a passion, and I don't hate many things at all. FIFA 2003 got me so frustrated that I could have had a heart attack after how angry I became at the utter lack of realism and complete CPU advantage.
Anyway, back to WE6 - I just bought this game about two weeks ago. I saw it in stores and almost blew up at how excited I was to see it in the UNITED STATES ! I was determined to buy it and couldn't wait home to try it out. Well, I did and it definitely wasn't all that it was hyped up to be.
The graphics continue to be very low-quality and the programmers definitely do not take advantage of the PS2's graphic capabilities. It's really sad, it almost looks just like ISS Pro Evolution soccer on the PSone. It also still plays very similarly.
The shooting is what I hate most about the game. It seems that all soccer game creators are embracing this horrible trend of making it more difficult to shoot and score to make the game appear more advanced. They are simply lowering the accuracy of shots, and increasing the power meter responses to compensate for their lack of proper programming, or to save time. EA is guilty of it, same as Konami.
Taking the ball from CPU players is just frustrating. The CPU can run around your players so easily. It also just pushes your player away constantly until your player can sometimes kick it away, or sometimes the CPU just takes a dive and the referee calls a foul. Top strikers in the game can just push defenders away endlessly and it's almost impossible taking the ball away from them. This is a huge flaw, because even though some players are great in real life, they shouldn't be almost invincible in a console game. That just doesn't make any sense.
The goalkeepers are also just ridiculous when it comes to long shots. It seems as if they are always in the right place or they just make unbelievable and unrealistic saves. I'm tired of the super-goalie trend in soccer games everywhere, not just the Winning Eleven series.
Things I do like about Winning Eleven are: the dribbling is just awesome. Players like Zidane, Raul, and Figo play almost like their real counterparts. Zidane turns the ball in a really cool, calm fashion, and his passes are just sublime. That brings me over to the passing - I love the passing in WE and my only complaint is that the through pass chip doesn't work as well as it used to in ISS PE. I loved chipping over defenders and now in WE, the CPU catches the ball almost always before my players have a chance of even touching the ball. Hmmm...other than that I don't really know what else I like about WE. Frankly, I'm disappointed in it and don't really like it much at all.
You people can flame all you want, you can be childish and tell me that I haven't bought the game and never played it, or simply be idiots and insult me. But I have played ISS games for a long time now, beginning with the ISS games on the SNES, and I can say that just like FIFA, the ISS series has been getting proggressively worse each time.
Personally, I believe that the best ISS game ever was International Superstar Soccer 98. While it wasn't completely realistic, the player movements were. That game took full advantage of the N64's graphic capabilities and the programmers worked really hard to make the players move like real people. Just play ISS98 sometime and you will see how loose and free the players move compared to future ISS games. It's really cool and impressive since the game is almost 6 years old now (probably programmed in 97).
The game was more free too, and not rigid like the new WE series. Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a very restrictive game that doesn't allow me to move much at all when I am playing WE. For instance, on free throws in ISS98, you could move around and intercept the ball, whereas in WE you just have to watch the CPU throw it in. In ISS98, the CPU didn't control your player once the goalkeeper picked up the ball, you were still in complete control.
The ball physics were also good in ISS98. They weren't perfect, but you were rarely surprised about deflections or where the ball was going at all times. Also, the ball wasn't always picked up by the CPU like in future ISS games. You always had an equal chance to recover the ball as much as the CPU did, which really balanced the game out.
What I wonder is why Konami never combined such great features from ISS98 into its WE series and just decided to take such a rigid platform such as the one that ISS PE operated on, and just continued to use it with future games. ISS PE was no perfect game, and neither is WE6. I don't foresee soccer games getting any better as long as this platform is used. The game should be more free and loose, instead of making players feel like they're playing a game that controls THEM.
Anyway, I have a soccer game to play soon, so I'm out. I'll write more when I have time.
- Joe
OK after seeing how some of you complete tools treated the author of this thread, I just realize exactly why I haven't posted here in almost a year.
All of you just can't stand your precious WE game to be criticized by someone who isn't a total fool about the game that you love so much. HEY GUESS WHAT ? PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE SOMETHING SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP IT ! LIVE WITH IT !
Now, I am someone who completely gave up FIFA years ago and even sold my copy of FIFA 99 to buy ISS Pro Evolution on the PSone. I too, came and wrote a completely critical review of ISS PE when I first played it.
For months I heard people praising this game left and right, saying it was the most realistic game ever to appear on a console, that the controls were awesome, the player reactions, etc. Even though I liked the game a lot and learned to play it so well, including using in-game strategies, and got the shooting down pat, I still always thought that the game needed much improvement.
When I bought my first PS2 game, I decided to buy FIFA 2002 (huge mistake...what a piece of sh|t) because I couldn't find any ISS games here in the United States, and I could not get a modchip to play any PAL games, so I was stuck with my decision. FIFA 2002 made me miss a lot of ISS's gameplay, and I don't play FIFA 2002 anymore.
I bought World Cup 2002 and I thought that was a great improvement, but still very flawed. EA will never get it together, and that's something I have come to terms with. I hate FIFA games with a passion, and I don't hate many things at all. FIFA 2003 got me so frustrated that I could have had a heart attack after how angry I became at the utter lack of realism and complete CPU advantage.
Anyway, back to WE6 - I just bought this game about two weeks ago. I saw it in stores and almost blew up at how excited I was to see it in the UNITED STATES ! I was determined to buy it and couldn't wait home to try it out. Well, I did and it definitely wasn't all that it was hyped up to be.
The graphics continue to be very low-quality and the programmers definitely do not take advantage of the PS2's graphic capabilities. It's really sad, it almost looks just like ISS Pro Evolution soccer on the PSone. It also still plays very similarly.
The shooting is what I hate most about the game. It seems that all soccer game creators are embracing this horrible trend of making it more difficult to shoot and score to make the game appear more advanced. They are simply lowering the accuracy of shots, and increasing the power meter responses to compensate for their lack of proper programming, or to save time. EA is guilty of it, same as Konami.
Taking the ball from CPU players is just frustrating. The CPU can run around your players so easily. It also just pushes your player away constantly until your player can sometimes kick it away, or sometimes the CPU just takes a dive and the referee calls a foul. Top strikers in the game can just push defenders away endlessly and it's almost impossible taking the ball away from them. This is a huge flaw, because even though some players are great in real life, they shouldn't be almost invincible in a console game. That just doesn't make any sense.
The goalkeepers are also just ridiculous when it comes to long shots. It seems as if they are always in the right place or they just make unbelievable and unrealistic saves. I'm tired of the super-goalie trend in soccer games everywhere, not just the Winning Eleven series.
Things I do like about Winning Eleven are: the dribbling is just awesome. Players like Zidane, Raul, and Figo play almost like their real counterparts. Zidane turns the ball in a really cool, calm fashion, and his passes are just sublime. That brings me over to the passing - I love the passing in WE and my only complaint is that the through pass chip doesn't work as well as it used to in ISS PE. I loved chipping over defenders and now in WE, the CPU catches the ball almost always before my players have a chance of even touching the ball. Hmmm...other than that I don't really know what else I like about WE. Frankly, I'm disappointed in it and don't really like it much at all.
You people can flame all you want, you can be childish and tell me that I haven't bought the game and never played it, or simply be idiots and insult me. But I have played ISS games for a long time now, beginning with the ISS games on the SNES, and I can say that just like FIFA, the ISS series has been getting proggressively worse each time.
Personally, I believe that the best ISS game ever was International Superstar Soccer 98. While it wasn't completely realistic, the player movements were. That game took full advantage of the N64's graphic capabilities and the programmers worked really hard to make the players move like real people. Just play ISS98 sometime and you will see how loose and free the players move compared to future ISS games. It's really cool and impressive since the game is almost 6 years old now (probably programmed in 97).
The game was more free too, and not rigid like the new WE series. Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a very restrictive game that doesn't allow me to move much at all when I am playing WE. For instance, on free throws in ISS98, you could move around and intercept the ball, whereas in WE you just have to watch the CPU throw it in. In ISS98, the CPU didn't control your player once the goalkeeper picked up the ball, you were still in complete control.
The ball physics were also good in ISS98. They weren't perfect, but you were rarely surprised about deflections or where the ball was going at all times. Also, the ball wasn't always picked up by the CPU like in future ISS games. You always had an equal chance to recover the ball as much as the CPU did, which really balanced the game out.
What I wonder is why Konami never combined such great features from ISS98 into its WE series and just decided to take such a rigid platform such as the one that ISS PE operated on, and just continued to use it with future games. ISS PE was no perfect game, and neither is WE6. I don't foresee soccer games getting any better as long as this platform is used. The game should be more free and loose, instead of making players feel like they're playing a game that controls THEM.
Anyway, I have a soccer game to play soon, so I'm out. I'll write more when I have time.
- Joe
Daniel Jones
Youth Team
1. Graphics...I agree the graphics aren't the best but that's not why I bought the game. The gameplay makes up for the graphics IMHO. However, they're not as bad as PSone.
2. Shooting...How often do you see top strikers miss barely over the crossbar or skim one past the post? A lot I would say so I think the shooting is realistic because it's more of a challenge. It takes a careful touch. It's not like FIFA where every shot is on target.
3. Interceptions...It's really not that difficult. It just takes practice. Again this adds more challenge to the game and doesn't really take anything away from the game.
4. Long shots...These are generally tough so it makes sense that most of the time the goalkeeper is going to be on top of things.
5. Throw-ins....Definitely a little strange in the game but it's definitely possible to intercept throw-ins.
Not everyone is going to like the game. It's impossible to please everyone. I think Konami has done a good job with WE6I and I enjoy it immensely. Especially ML. Too bad that you're unhappy. Maybe you should play it a bit more. It may grow on you.
2. Shooting...How often do you see top strikers miss barely over the crossbar or skim one past the post? A lot I would say so I think the shooting is realistic because it's more of a challenge. It takes a careful touch. It's not like FIFA where every shot is on target.
3. Interceptions...It's really not that difficult. It just takes practice. Again this adds more challenge to the game and doesn't really take anything away from the game.
4. Long shots...These are generally tough so it makes sense that most of the time the goalkeeper is going to be on top of things.
5. Throw-ins....Definitely a little strange in the game but it's definitely possible to intercept throw-ins.
Not everyone is going to like the game. It's impossible to please everyone. I think Konami has done a good job with WE6I and I enjoy it immensely. Especially ML. Too bad that you're unhappy. Maybe you should play it a bit more. It may grow on you.
If you could move to intercept throw ins, every throw in would be intercepted...what's the point in that? In real soccer, its easier to recieve the ball if your teammate throws it to you, than if you're trying to intercept.
Shooting? Take some time and practice dude...
Taking balls from AI? No problems, more practice needed.
Goalkeepers? As real as you can get, they can save or cencede just like real life.
WC2002 and improvement? Give us a break.
Shooting? Take some time and practice dude...
Taking balls from AI? No problems, more practice needed.
Goalkeepers? As real as you can get, they can save or cencede just like real life.
WC2002 and improvement? Give us a break.
Hey what's up Teknos. Well i for one love the WE series. But from what i'm seeing is that you should have gotten your hands on Winning eleven instead of iss cuz i heard it's not as good. As for WE6:I, everyone says it's same as PES2, which also sucks, cuz Winning eleven by kcet is what is awesome. Hopefully when we7 comes out in states, they'll make it based on kcet's game. Also, u should get WE2002 for your ps1 and play it on emulator for PC, which i like to do, cuz the graphics are super improved (if u have good graphics card) BTW, i got we2002 by downloading. same for epsxe (emulator)
This makes absolutely no sense at all. I won't even try to guess how this thought became a sentence.
I do have Winning Eleven 6 - that's what my previous post was about. And no, ISS is much better than Winning Eleven. Period.
That's something I'll definitely hope for. KCET is the group that made ISS98, my favorite Konami game ever.
- Joe
Joe,
well look at it this way. They must try and make a balance. If you can move freely to intercept the ball, you'd be stealing it or have a 50/50 ball every throw in, they must make it 90/10 in favour of the team with possesion.
It may not be all that realistic looking, but the result is more realistic than having tossles and interception at every throw.
And JMBS, WE6I is made by KCET......wtf r u talking about?
well look at it this way. They must try and make a balance. If you can move freely to intercept the ball, you'd be stealing it or have a 50/50 ball every throw in, they must make it 90/10 in favour of the team with possesion.
It may not be all that realistic looking, but the result is more realistic than having tossles and interception at every throw.
And JMBS, WE6I is made by KCET......wtf r u talking about?
rascricket
Youth Team
What up, Cro----I couldnt agree more about the whole 'keeping-it-statistically correct' thing---Very well put bout the whole 90/10 thing....theres a few instances of that here and there huh? Ahhh....aint it sweet!!
Phew!
....man, my nose directed me over here.....thought I smelled somethin' foul!Sniff....sniff....
..Yup, someones dissin' THE GAME.....?!?Well, no matter, Cro.....much like the Borg, they to will experience THE GAME........well see them in Church soon..(PES forum)
oh, and.....May the WE be with you...
xtremeboat
Club Supporter
KCEO (Konami Computer Entertainment Osaka) made the N64 ISS games and still make ISS games. KCET (Konami Computer Entertainment Tokyo) made the ISS Pro Evolution (Europe, maybe USA too) and Winning Eleven (Japan) games on PS1 and make the Pro Evolution Soccer games for Europe, Winning Eleven games for Japan and Winning Eleven 6: International for the USA.
WE6:I is practically PES2 - an arcadey variation of WE6. WE6: Final Evolution released in Japan is currently the best football game so try importing it - its well worth it. If you dont wanna chip your PS2 or dont mind not being able to patch it get it for the Gamecube with a Freeloader - its the same game (with slightly better graphics, quicker load times and more animation than the PS2 version) and cheaper to do this cos your not paying for a modchip.
WE6:I is practically PES2 - an arcadey variation of WE6. WE6: Final Evolution released in Japan is currently the best football game so try importing it - its well worth it. If you dont wanna chip your PS2 or dont mind not being able to patch it get it for the Gamecube with a Freeloader - its the same game (with slightly better graphics, quicker load times and more animation than the PS2 version) and cheaper to do this cos your not paying for a modchip.
TeKNoS,
Hate to say, you're totally wrong about shooting.
First it ain't ridiculously hard and the sensitivity of the power meter is JUST right.
As it is with any game, you need to get the hang of it.
So, blame your lack of skill for considering shots hard to make, not the KCET programers. It's not even comparable with the cr@ppy shooting physics of FIFA2003.
Trust me, the shooting physics by far, blow anything out there.
About the the throw-in's.
How often do you see the opponent intercept a throw-in made to a person nearby???????
In WE 9/10 throw-in's made nearby are sucessful whereas throw-in's made further away [the O button] are much easier to intercept.
Unless, you come up with a beter way to implement the throw-in. the throw-in in WE is perfectly acceptable.
Hate to say, you're totally wrong about shooting.
First it ain't ridiculously hard and the sensitivity of the power meter is JUST right.
As it is with any game, you need to get the hang of it.
So, blame your lack of skill for considering shots hard to make, not the KCET programers. It's not even comparable with the cr@ppy shooting physics of FIFA2003.
Trust me, the shooting physics by far, blow anything out there.
About the the throw-in's.
How often do you see the opponent intercept a throw-in made to a person nearby???????
In WE 9/10 throw-in's made nearby are sucessful whereas throw-in's made further away [the O button] are much easier to intercept.
Unless, you come up with a beter way to implement the throw-in. the throw-in in WE is perfectly acceptable.