WE6 FE is Pissing me off!!!

[simakperrce]

Personally i don't think it's "cheating" which annoys me on ML Extreme, but more the predictiveness and the obivious scripting which sets in. First the CPU charges like a swarm of bees with blizzard style passing and pixel-perfect cross-fielders but once they go ahead by 1 the same team suddenly turns into dumbed down morons and allow any average forward to dribble around their penalty area and slot it home.

Of course, after you've equalized the CPU starts picking up it's harakiri gameplay again, and charges you left and right...and so it goes on...I've also noticed, that it's strangely difficult to score a follow up goal right after you just scored an equalizer since your attack will suddenly (surprise!) blow the biggest opportunities (i guess it's Konami's idea of soccer to "keep a game close and exciting").. the same applies to the CPU, by the way... this is usually the phase when the ball hits the post and the cross-bar a lot of times... or when the same dudes who just minutes ago scored with a silly overhead kick from a deflected ball miss the goal from 3 meters out... you can almost bet on it..

in the end, at least to me, it all feels like some higher power is in charge of the things happening on the field and not myself.. of course there are games which do not follow that pattern (like these phases when EVERY deflection goes right back to a CPU player no fvcking matter what you do, until the CPU finally scores), -- but they are random exceptions and only confirm the rule -- at least to me...

it would be really interesting to ask the developers about how they set this all up, whether there are some meta scripts at work or whether this is all but imagination on our sides -- but i guess we'll never know...

 

[Gelohk]

Simkaperrce has hit it right on the head. I had a Barcelona team in the second division with some stars and high teamwork rationgs. I played against Man Utd. in the masters cup final. It took me thirty minutes to go ahead 1-0, and then on restart a neat three pass play ended with Ruud tying the score from 20 yards on a really weird looking shot. I went up 3-1 in the first 5 minutes of the second half and I never got another shot on goal. Ruud completed his hattrick, and Beckham iced the deal with a freekick... and I felt like I could do nothing about it. I just couldn't get the ball, no matter what I did. Spent all of the last thirty minutes camped out.

Bastards. Wait until we meet in division one. Your asses are mine.

The weirdest thing is that I have only experienced it with certain teams and players... Manchester, Real, Inter, Rangers and Celtic are by far the worst, with Spartak getting a dishonourable mention in division three. As far as players go, well, Robson and Beschastnyk, Edilson and Rivaldo... must have somebody marking those guys, or they totally freak out on their day.

 

[Ronaldoisagod9]

f this game...i don't know if the patches on my game have caused it to be a bitch...but damn this ****! I'm only on 3 stars too.

I'm sick and tired of it. They rip down Henry on one side when he starts off 3 strides ahead...and they catch up to him in no time...some no name newcastle defener...then on the other side, Bellamy, just runs right by 3 defenders at midfield...i mean...just zooms by them..u can't even see his footsteps! based on speed alone...no cheap moves...just ran by all three (sol, cole, and cygan).

This is soooo stupid...hopefully it's the patch...

Also, when i play defense, i only have like 3 players in teh box...if i'm lucky...even with back line set to "A"...but whenever i get near their goal...they have like 9 men in the middle of the box, not allowing me to play realistically, and being able to pass within.

This blows...i won 2-1, but it's total crap, and i have to play unrealistically to score...they win every **** ball...how the **** do you guys win on extreme...

 

[Neutral LFC]

Originally posted by Ronaldoisagod9
f this game...i don't know if the patches on my game have caused it to be a bitch...but damn this ****! I'm only on 3 stars too.

I'm sick and tired of it. They rip down Henry on one side when he starts off 3 strides ahead...and they catch up to him in no time...some no name newcastle defener...then on the other side, Bellamy, just runs right by 3 defenders at midfield...i mean...just zooms by them..u can't even see his footsteps! based on speed alone...no cheap moves...just ran by all three (sol, cole, and cygan).

This is soooo stupid...hopefully it's the patch...

Also, when i play defense, i only have like 3 players in teh box...if i'm lucky...even with back line set to "A"...but whenever i get near their goal...they have like 9 men in the middle of the box, not allowing me to play realistically, and being able to pass within.

This blows...i won 2-1, but it's total crap, and i have to play unrealistically to score...they win every **** ball...how the **** do you guys win on extreme...

Reading your complaints and the fact that this is on THREE STARS - perhaps you might want to drop down to two stars and play an IL with a poor team (say Northern Ireland or Wales) against the top nations and then when you win the IL move up to three stars.

 

[BamaToon]

For me it always seems that late in the game, my defenders suddenly decide they don't want to win the loose balls, so they hang back and let the CPU attackers have free reign in the penalty area. Or even worse, they'll run away from the ball and give the CPU player an escorted run to goal. I just lost a game like that to Leverkusen. Damn defender moves out of the way of a through ball on the ground instead of intercepting it, and my poor keeper was left stranded. 1-0 CPU wins.

As an add-on, I've also had a streak of 3 and 4 games where almost all my team's players have blue or grey bars of readiness. Sometimes so many that you have to play one of the duds because there are not enough green or better dudes to go around. I usually do well to eke out draws during those games...

 

[theCRO]

Originally posted by mathewsss
Good show on the treble !!!!
The lowest salary I've had in a treble winning team was 200 pts

The CPU does get stronger and quicker on level 5.
Sometimes the CPU seems to have bumped-up stats
than it is capable of having, especially in the last 20 minutes of the game. It seems that the stamina & speed stats
do not really apply to the CPU inspite of them sprinting around
most of the game. You'll find average CPU players playing above
themselves especially if they are losing and that even your good players not being able to respond or do things well.
Whether that is "cheating" or "bias" or whatever ....but it's there
and many people acknowledge it irrespective of whether they are just starting out on ML Extreme or are beating the CPU most of the time.
After sometime people learn to overcome the CPU's way of playing or "cheating". (like myself )
It's just a matter of practice and patience.

ofcourse I;ve seen mediocre teams turn it up and play better than Madrid in real soccer, we've seen the US destroy Portugal last WC in a 20 minute span, any soccer fan would say it was unreal, but that's football.

I expect big things from Konami, and their "tweaks" are ground breaking sometimes...I can't play WE6 anymore..awesome game, but FE wipes the floor with it..

 

[Ronaldoisagod9]

3 games back to back...get this...i am up 1-0 in all 3 games. And this is the honest truth. 44mins of game 1, they score and tie on a low cross, and sideways midair kick. Next game, 44th minute, again, a short cross, and this time a standing sideways kick. And last, but not least, in the "added time" a through ball, that goes through about 5 of my players (mind you, this was the slowest through ball i've ever seen), and they all run away from it, allowing an ez putin...

^^^I have no idea what gameplay strategies i could apply in order to avoid this...it seems scripted.

Oh well...it was 3stars btw...

 

[theCRO]

Originally posted by Ronaldoisagod9
3 games back to back...get this...i am up 1-0 in all 3 games. And this is the honest truth. 44mins of game 1, they score and tie on a low cross, and sideways midair kick. Next game, 44th minute, again, a short cross, and this time a standing sideways kick. And last, but not least, in the "added time" a through ball, that goes through about 5 of my players (mind you, this was the slowest through ball i've ever seen), and they all run away from it, allowing an ez putin...

^^^I have no idea what gameplay strategies i could apply in order to avoid this...it seems scripted.

easy, score 4 goals before the 44th minute and you're laughing

 

[mathewsss]

Originally posted by Ronaldoisagod9
3 games back to back...get this...i am up 1-0 in all 3 games. And this is the honest truth. 44mins of game 1, they score and tie on a low cross, and sideways midair kick. Next game, 44th minute, again, a short cross, and this time a standing sideways kick. And last, but not least, in the "added time" a through ball, that goes through about 5 of my players (mind you, this was the slowest through ball i've ever seen), and they all run away from it, allowing an ez putin...

^^^I have no idea what gameplay strategies i could apply in order to avoid this...it seems scripted.

Oh well...it was 3stars btw...

If you are leading by 1 goal and nearing the end of the match,
then I suggest using some of the tactics seen in real football.
Substitute your tired players. Get some fresh legs on !
Also learn how to keep possession and waste time just like in real life.
Sometimes i change the formation to a more defensive 4-5-1 in the last 10 minutes if I'm leading by 1 goal.
Avoid the silly stuff like passing between defenders...the CPU will be very determined to get the ball.
If your defender is in trouble, clear the ball, don't try fancy stuff.
When my striker gets the ball and I just shield the ball and dribble around until the CPU fouls me...normally near the corner flag or touchline...it wastes so much of time
Stuff like that which you see in real life works for me.

Otherwise like the TheCRO said, score 4 goals before full time !!

 

[Ronaldoisagod9]

yah...i may have to pull a bitch move like wasting time in order to win the game...running into the corner, kicking back to goalie...etc

Btw, I obviously sub out tired players, and set my formation to a 5-4-1, towards the end, to protect the lead, and collect my money...but what i'm trying to get across...which you missed...it didn't matter if i had 40defenders...the goals were set up and scripted.

 

[ibo]

lol first you say WE6FE is the perfect footie game without any doubt and now there is also a thread opened which shows the negative sides............ so: there is no perfect game and there will be also no perfect game to be released .. even WE7 has ... before its going to be released.. some negative effects on some of us....

 

[rony31]

I usually play on 4 stars, and on Normal for ML... 4 stars is a challenge, but 75% of the time, I can win... as for ML, it's really challenging for me on normal

 

[Swerve]

My biggest problem is with how the cpu attacks. Usually just two front runners against 3-4 defenders (when the score is tied or they're up) and 85% of the time they win the headers (and they even check to the ball). I mean they pass better with their heads than some of my players pass with their feet, I have seen the cpu pass between 2 and 3 guys exclusively with their heads in my box, fair enough. Then the cpu's crossing. Everybody is a Beckham which I have no problem with most professionals can cross to someone wide open in the box. My problem is when the cpu cuts back onto the player's weaker foot, has somebody draped all over them and still puts in a very dangerous cross (a cross that you could only dream about delivering even with a Figo in the game) to someone either unmarked or making a run (which your players never do by the way), I can deal with this as well. Then their is the thru ball, your players doddle after the ball no matter where it is played and often times only attempt to receive it when the cpu defender will get there at the same time (so scripted you know its going to happen seconds before it actually does), whatever don't use the thru pass. I won't even mention the officiating. But the thing that kills me most is the defense of your teammates and the player you are "controlling." Several times when I attempt to switch to someone to intercept a ball or the cpu, I can only switch to them after the cpu player has received the ball and taken a few steps, in which case u either can't catch them or are called for a foul. Then back to the crossing and thru ball stuff, I would send a cpu defender after the ball because the cpu will predictably either send a thru ball past 6 of your defenders and if attempting to cross, eveybody on your team regardless of position in the box will "forget about their defensive assignment and chase the ball often leaving multiple targets for the cross. Anyway, after sending a defender out to cover the cross and moving in to try to intercept it, as the ball is in the air the guy I chose to control is magically switched to someone near by but in a far worse position to intercept the ball (and yes I do have it set on manual player change). This and the fact that you can't move defenders on corners until after the ball is in the air are to me scandalous and do take alot away from a game that could be very good.

 

[Ronaldoisagod9]

When a cpu forward has a defender riding him as he runs in circles, that's fine...it's shielding, i do it a lot on the pitch. However, when a forward can hold off 2 defenders in the same fashion, I just don't see it happening. Even Denilson has to use a few fancy moves to elude a two man charge on him. So a perfection would be for the cpu to pass off before the 2nd defender reaches him, lose the ball if he can't get the ball away when the 2nd defender applies pressure, or drop and have a 50/50 chance of a foul (Because a ref won't really feel sorry for a player who tries to shade two defenders, rather than pass it).

^That would be cool. Also, when u stand still, and the player shields the ball with his body, it would be better if he kept his foot on the ball, while leaning against the defender. This would allow for a smoother left or right touch. A spin, if you will.

Well, i'm over the frustration. I'm slowly getting the hand of this game. I watched a couple gameplay films from soccered.com (u rock dude!), and i'm getting better.

Anyways, thank you for allowing me to vent some of my frustration.

See Ya!

 

[VIVA USA]

my biggest pet peeve in this game is the options in leagues and cups. Why only 10 min. Master League games? Why can't I play a home and away round robin league/cup? Argh. that's the most frustrating part to me.

 

[Ebonix]

Yeah, I would love too play a 45minute game on PES2 that would be great

 

[simakperrce]

Originally posted by Ronaldoisagod9

Also, when i play defense, i only have like 3 players in teh box...if i'm lucky...even with back line set to "A"...but whenever i get near their goal...they have like 9 men in the middle of the box, not allowing me to play realistically, and being able to pass within.
[/B]

true... it's like they magically reappear back in their box the moment they've lost the ball.. almost as if scottie was beaming them back there...

i also hate the fact that with most of the teams their forwards are constantly pressing for the ball... this is just utter BS ... neither real-life Ronaldo, Beshastnyk, Henry or Batistuta will run like crazy up and down the pitch to chase the ball away from defenders... they'll leave that messy part up to their backfield... in the game, though, the second you release the ball from the goalie they pop up and they run... and chase... and run.. and chase... and they never seem to tire...

then again.. it's just a GAME.. and a very good one overall

 

[The Drovers Dog]

Yeah, I would love too play a 45minute game on PES2 that would be great

laugh, oh man, not for me, if i was playing a 45 minute game on 5 star or whatever, the guys from the "Funny farm" would be prising a jibbering and babbling wreck from outta' the chair after 30 minutes or so, honest --

 

[Ebonix]

Originally posted by The Drovers Dog
laugh, oh man, not for me, if i was playing a 45 minute game on 5 star or whatever, the guys from the "Funny farm" would be prising a jibbering and babbling wreck from outta' the chair after 30 minutes or so, honest --

Nah, I mean against a mate or something, completly thrashing them would be lovely

 

[nickclubman]

Hmmm, I know a mate that plays WE6:FE and although I've played it a good few times and really enjoy it, he also tells me that although he can beat 5* difficulty, he doesn't pay it, cus the CPU just cheats.