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WCQ: Mexico V. USA [P+R}

Chacarita Juniors

The artist formerly known as ronnifan9
Who's getting ****ed up on Sunday? like me. My most sincere thoughts are that we'll win a close one...maybe something like 2-1 or 2-0, but either way I'm gonna get hammered, ALL FOR MY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY!


I love how both of us tell each other "You are an arrogant team"...lets get over it, we ****en hate each other...well, maybe we hate you guys a little bit more for WC-2002 incident. (H)











GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
 

ColumbusGunners

Club Supporter
1:1

I honestly don't think Bruce Arena will be very ambitious with his tactics. Taking one point away from home would not be a dissapointment, however, obviously I would prefer a win. I can see US scoring first, perhaps early, and then a second half goal by Mexico.
 

fh_29

Reserve Team
There are a few things to remember when you're making your way to what is arguably the largest city in the world. First, don't drink the water (unless you're a big fan of bathrooms). Second, don't watch the Denzel Washington movie, "Man on Fire." Doing the former will leave you in the bathroom, doing the latter will leave you way too paranoid to enjoy the Mexican capital.

rest of the article can be found here:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=328717&cc=5901



In one of the latest installments of the rivalry on April 28, 2004, at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, the passions boiled over yet again as Mexican forward Jared Borgetti has words with American midfielder Pablo Mastroeni.

Mexico looking for payback

"We have to make them pay back the elimination from the last World Cup, now it's our turn to leave them out," midfielder Jaime Lozano said in Reuters.

"I feel that this is an opportunity to demonstrate that we're better than they are," defender Hugo Sanchez Guerrero added in La Opinion. "I think it will be different (than the World Cup) because most of us are young."

"I have a bad taste in my mouth, a bad memory of them and I am waiting to take out my anger," Rafael Marquez said in El Universal.

"No one is going to come here and beat us," goalkeeper Oswaldo Sanchez said.

"We have to be intelligent. We have to handle the ball well so that our opponent runs a lot and gets tired easily."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/national/2005-03-23-mexico-seeks-revenge_x.htm

Mexican soccer to get personal vs. U.S.

By Danna Harman, USA TODAY

MEXICO CITY — Oscar Perez knows he can't undo what happened in South Korea.
"But we are here to do it again now. And better," the Mexican goalie says as he attended the team's first practice this week. "Our revenge is starting."

Perez allowed both goals in that devastating 2-0 loss to the USA in the 2002 World Cup, eliminating the Mexican team from the competition. It was a volatile match that typified the long-standing rivalry between these countries.

The Mexicans hope to restore their dominance and bruised soccer pride Sunday when the U.S. team plays a 2006 World Cup qualifier at Azteca Stadium (1 p.m. ET, ESPN2 and Telemundo). It will be the second of 10 qualifiers, with the top three teams in the six-team CONCACAF region advancing to next year's World Cup in Germany. Both countries are 1-0.

Azteca sits at 7,300 feet altitude, where the smog blankets the city, where more than 110,000 are expected to attend, where the USA is 0-21-1. Mexico rarely loses here. The last time it did, against Costa Rica in 2001, the coach was fired the next day.

"The conditions are all right, and (coach Ricardo) Lavolpe has molded a fresh, young team," Esto soccer writer Salvador Aguilera says despite the USA being 6-1-1 vs. Mexico in the last eight matches. "We feel in our bones that this long-awaited game is ours."

The origins of this rivalry can be found in history, explains Gerardo Gonzales, 47, a fan. And he is not talking soccer history.

Texas, California and New Mexico were annexed to the United States as part of a peace treaty ending the war between the two countries.

"Every schoolboy knows about 1848," he says, sipping tequila as he settles in for an afternoon of serious soccer talk at a cantina. "When they robbed our territory, that was the beginning."


Sure, he concedes, at least 6 million Mexicans live today in the USA, and millions more try to cross the border every year. But that's for economic reasons. Soccer is personal.

"We always feel inferior. We always feel discriminated against, and we never forget who took whose land," Gonzales says. "Football is our only equal playing field where we can show 'em."

Many team members share this inferiority complex, says Aguilera, who, as the soccer correspondent for the country's leading sports newspaper, has traveled with the national team for the past decade. "When we go to Honduras or El Salvador, the media is there, we get an escort to the hotel," he says. "When we come to the U.S., there are always problems and delays at immigration. They have no idea who we are."

On several occasions, he says, Jesus Arellano, a midfielder who shares a common last name with jailed drug trafficker Felix Arellano, has been questioned by immigration officers at U.S. airports. "There is no respect," Aguilera says.

Mexican fans typically have countered these perceived swipes to their national pride with their own wallops of disrespect, leading to nasty run-ins on match day.

U.S. players have been pelted with <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=beer%20bottles" onmouseover="window.status='beer bottles'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">beer bottles</a>, batteries and racial epithets, which led the U.S. Soccer Federation to send an official letter of complaint to the Mexican federation last year after an Olympic qualifier in Guadalajara. During that February match, boos almost drowned out The Star-Spangled Banner, a U.S. flag was burned and several fans chanted "Osama, Osama," in reference to al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, as the Americans left the field.

This time, Aguilera says, the Mexicans are especially out for U.S. player Landon Donovan, who scored the second goal in the 2-0 win in South Korea and who urinated on the field during the tournament in Guadalajara. National television picked up his transgression, and Mexicans went ballistic.

"It said everything about U.S. treatment of Mexicans," Aguilera says. "Let's just say, people are not pleased to see him."

For the USA, which is on a 16-match unbeaten streak, a victory would be sweet. More important, however, it would indicate how far the Americans have come since going 4-27-9 against Mexico from 1934-99.

"There is an interesting twist to the rivalry," says Franklin Foer, author of How Soccer Explains the World. "Mexico has so much more emotionally invested in these games than the U.S. If Mexico wins, it's a major national event. If the U.S. wins, it hardly creates a ripple back home. That makes U.S. wins so much more painful for Mexico," he says. "It serves to highlight how little attention the U.S. plays to its neighbor."

Popular striker Francisco "Kikin" Fonseca sees it otherwise. "Soccer is in our blood," he says. Mexico wants to prove something to America, "but we win for ourselves. That is satisfaction enough."



damn .... I've lost respect for USA.
 

Caponedawg

Senior Squad
you lost respect for us? LOL don't get mad at us because those bastids can't get through customs. I'd love to see one of those Mexicans raise his voice at customs so a national guardsman can shove a M-16 up his ass. ONe thign we don't do is throw crap at other players, yell racist remarks, burn their flags, boo their anthem, etc.
 

ManU2000

Fan Favourite
Caponedawg said:
ONe thign we don't do is throw crap at other players, yell racist remarks, burn their flags, boo their anthem, etc.
I'm pretty sure we aren't and won't be the only ones who boo your anthem and burn your flag. Not saying that I agree with it because I don't but I hope your not singling us out on that.
 

Caponedawg

Senior Squad
ManU2000 said:
I'm pretty sure we aren't and won't be the only ones who boo your anthem and burn your flag. Not saying that I agree with it because I don't but I hope your not singling us out on that.

no you're not the only ones. The Turks did it during the Confederations Cup in 2003. As has Panama during recent WC qualifications.
 

fh_29

Reserve Team
Caponedawg said:
no you're not the only ones. The Turks did it during the Confederations Cup in 2003. As has Panama during recent WC qualifications.

owned! :o I can't wait till wc2006 in Germany, every opponent to USA booing USA's anthem and beating up Americans! :o :p
 

ColumbusGunners

Club Supporter
I just don't understand booing during someone's national anthem or burning their flag. I know something like that doesn't happen because of football but has to be because of politics. Still I don't understand how someone could boo during someone's national anthem.

Also, is most of the hatred towards the USMNT because of politics or the actual team?
 

notorious

Youth Team
war of words

"For such a long time they dominated us. I think over not only the last five, six years, over the last 10 years it's been pretty equal," U.S. captain Claudio Reyna said before Saturday's practice. "I think it's a bit insulting to them because soccer is the one and only sport in this country." :o

"Throwing objects on the field is going over the line. You can't stop fans from saying things. It's all part of it," Arena said. "The nice part about playing in Mexico is they're shouting in Spanish, so for the most part we don't understand what they're saying anyway."

"It was a little, I guess, humiliating, a little degrading," Donovan said Saturday. "At one point you're surprised and at one point you kind of come to expect it. It's sad, but that's the way it is."

"I have a bad taste in my mouth," said Mexican captain Rafael Marquez to El Universal, "a bad memory of them and I am waiting to take out my anger."

"They (the U.S.) have not evolved like it is said," said Borgetti to La Cronica de Hoy. "The United States speaks like they are best in the class. I don't see it that way."

"I hope that when they lose," said Borgetti, the lone goalscorer the last time these two nations met at the Azteca in a qualifier in 2001, "that they at least demonstrate a little bit of 'futbol' and that they not limit themselves to defending their goal like they always have.(but) I doubt it. If they have lost their fright, let them come and pressure us. They should attack us. That will not happen and that reflects fear." :o
 

xxxFLYERxxx

Starting XI
notorious said:
"I have a bad taste in my mouth," said Mexican captain Rafael Marquez to El Universal, "a bad memory of them and I am waiting to take out my anger."

Yea, and Cobi Jones has a great memory of you kicking him in the head.

I hope that anger results in a red card in the 7th minute. We'll see what a great captain you are, Rafa. :boohoo:
 

ManU2000

Fan Favourite
ColumbusGunners said:
Also, is most of the hatred towards the USMNT because of politics or the actual team?
Its mostly because of politics although in certain cases, it might be both (like us for example).

EDIT: I'm going to be out of town for the next couple of days so if we lose by any chance and I don't show up, you know why (although I might not show up very often if we lose anyway). :p
 

garlei

Senior Squad
go Mexico !!!

I expect Mexico to win this one. With home ground advantage they have a good chance

The scoreline of this game may be down to how Howard performs.
On one hand I want Howard to perform well since he's a United player, however on the other hand, I want USA to lose.

Yes, I want USA to lose more =P

Go Mexico! :rockman:
 

Vinnie Jones

Senior Squad
For european viewers, this game will be on Eurosport (LIVE) today at 7pm (Uk time) or 8pm (Cet).
Looks like a pretty balanced tie. Mexico has home advantage but Usa is getting the best results in the recent past and is currently the best team (in my opinion) so i think it will be a great game. My money is on a draw.
 

xxxFLYERxxx

Starting XI
"A mexican player said that he was going to find my mother and kill her" - Landon Donovan today on ESPN.

Doesnt surprise me.

No pressure today. Lets go all out.
 


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