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War Looming

Hendrik

Team Captain
Originally posted by ImmUniTy
Gotta hand it to Bin Laden, hes timing is superb, he knows when to talk, and he just makes the US run around like the gossip queen in the school yard.
Yep, I have to agree, he always knows what to do next.

btw. has anyone heard of newsmax.com? Probably one of the biggest propaganda sites on earth :rolleyes:

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=448&CATID=10&GroupID=13

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=1018&CATID=13&GroupID=53



:|
 

KingPaulV

Starting XI
I think it is important that all those who are here are introduced to the knowledge that organizations such as the U.N. and NATO are the offsprings of a foreign policy doctrine called collective security that originated in none other than the United States.

I will not go thru the history of this but as most of you know or should know before World War I Europe was quite enthralled in dealing with its matters in only one way: war.

For centuries upon centuries the only language that European policy makers understood and grasped (and in some cases quite well for example Otto von Bismark) was that in order to be "safe" you need to bunch up and defeat militarily those who oppose the common order, thus we had balance of power.....


Let me also remind you, that after World War I when I guess a few people in Europe finally realized that "well balance of power is just not gonna work for us" they for the most part were vehemently opposed to the Idea of collective security proposed by then president Wilson. As a result of their opposition we have
the great failure of the League of Nations, one of the great Fiascos of the 20th century.

It was not after much of Europe had been levelled thanks to World War II that most came to have to accept collective security to protect against the Soviet menace and to ensure that they themselves would not blow each other up again.

So then, it is rather cynical, that the country which was foremost in defiying collective security all throughout the Cold War (France) because it impeded upon the "individuality of nations" is today the most ardent advocate of that precise system against the country that create it.

I for once am convinced that the French have no interest in seeing a resolution of the Iraq crisis be it political or otherwise; the goal of the French is to block the US, because as Degaulle so clearly put it the US can suffer from "Hyperpower" syndrome so it is France's job and responsability to check this disease. And sadly this French theory of US "hyperpower" has squarely mixed with the calls for a fair resolution of the Iraq issue, so today we find whole nations crying out AGAINST the US and not AGAINST a war...big difference which a lot of you and the fellow citizens of the world cannot make.

Its funny how a number of nations signed this vaunted resolution 1441 without the least bit intention of even attempting to look at it for the second timeif at least to make their judgement a little clearer. If the wording in it is too tough maybe they should have used those 7 weeks of debate they had to make it softer....:rolleyes:
 

Hendrik

Team Captain
I know I'm against war. But when I compare this article with some of German newspapers or whatever it's a big difference 'cause it tells you France/Germany is the evil, the US is right.
 

KingPaulV

Starting XI
Is not saying the US is right is saying if you really wanna do something about this do it the right way, I particularly think this should be directed more towards France than Germany as Germany seems to be more genuine about its position, even tho of course the Chancellor wants to divert attention from the fact the German economy is in shambles right now, its still a more adept position than the french one.....
 

INFESTA

Official
Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea
6.5 %
Iraq
7.6 %
The United States
85.9 %


Total Votes Cast: 442502



:confused:
 

Hendrik

Team Captain
Originally posted by INFESTA
Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea
6.5 %
Iraq
7.6 %
The United States
85.9 %


Total Votes Cast: 442502



:confused:
What's wrong? :confused:
 

::Hagi::

Starting XI
I agree with INFESTAs statement. The US (their government) are mor dangerous than any other country in the world. They feel like God and rule this world. Bush and co think that THEY are democratic, but they invase other countries to protect their interest and kill a lot of innocent people, just to save their democracy. That's nonsense and not democratic.
 

::Hagi::

Starting XI
Yea, Hussein is dangerous. But Bush too, and even as gangerous as Hussi. The thing, which makes Bush so dangerous for me is not his army, it is his power over the economic world. America rules the world economy and they can destroy, what won't happen, any country in this world. By stopping investments.
 

INFESTA

Official
Originally posted by vince15
What's wrong? :confused:

Nothing, mate. That was me trying to look surprised...


So, has anyone been to the protests? I went to the one in Porto, with my bro, mum and cousin. We had a nice time. Peolpe from all ages, professions and social backgrounds. Very to see. :)

I met 3 friends, who were walking in the opposite direction, an ex-gf, her sister and the sis' bf, who didn't have a clue what was all that people doing there. :|
Yes, they live in a cave.
 

Hendrik

Team Captain
No, I didn't go to one of the protests.

In Berlin were 500 000 people :o it was the biggest peace demonstration in the German history.
Here are some pics:
Berlin


London


Amsterdam


people don't want this war :(
 

pede54

Team Captain
CNN also informed the American public today that the march in London was attended by 500,000 Muslims...No mention that the crowd was more like 1,500,000 and was made up of all creeds religeons ages and sex.I have spent time in the States and what the media feed the people is garbage,and like in this country some people eat it and some dont.Mostly we do not.Why is it supposed to be unpatriotic to critisize your government? That is called Democracy...Leaders should learn to walk it like they talk it.
One more thing.....Nobody likes a bully whatever continent he may live on....France and Germany voice caution so Bush threatens them with sanctions...some ally...some friend....some Bully.....
 

INFESTA

Official
Originally posted by pede54
CNN also informed the American public today that the march in London was attended by 500,000 Muslims...No mention that the crowd was more like 1,500,000 and was made up of all creeds religeons ages and sex.

Really? :kader:
I didn't heard it, but I'm not surprised... Kader was telling me yesterday about the wide spread panic atmosphere that some US media have been creating lately. People storing food on their basements, etc. It's '1984' again, I tell you.
Anyway, I agree with everything you said.
 

::Hagi::

Starting XI
Originally posted by INFESTA
Really? :kader:
I didn't heard it, but I'm not surprised... Kader was telling me yesterday about the wide spread panic atmosphere that some US media have been creating lately. People storing food on their basements, etc. It's '1984' again, I tell you.
Anyway, I agree with everything you said.

Storing foods? I read about it, quite crazy. The chance of being hitten by an astroid is bigger than being hitten by a iraqi bomb in the US.
 


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