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USA National Team Thread

farmboy

Reserve Team
oh, this thread does still exist...

so now that it's back up front, and we've been pretty clearly put in our place, where does the USMNT go from here? It's really clear that our squad is STILL tactically poor. How do we adjust? For me, the most damning thing is that Freddy came back after two years and made himself the best player on this team over the course of two games. Great for Freddy, but he still has the same problem that's kept him from getting playing time anywhere in europe. He pressured Mexico's back line several times tonight, yes, but with one or two exceptions, he never really made any moves that indicated to me that he was thinking ahead. He lost the ball trying to dribble through people. He passed to the most obvious (and least deadly) players, often teeing it up for his backs rather than passing it into a lane for them to run onto. The one time he had an apparently clean look at goal, he passed it off sheepishly. And he was still more effective than anyone else in white tonight. That should be concerning. He's missing that 'game knowledge' that separates the good from the great, and when his tactics function within a team, that means the team itself lacks that knowledge.
For more proof, let's dig in to exactly how our defense was cut to shreds. It wasn't so much individual errors tonight (although they didn't help), but a general lack of shape that cost us. Starting from the first whistle, Mexico attacked down the right hand side constantly. And every time they did, some or all of our defense would slide over to deal with it. All fine and good, except that our midfielders failed to come back and cover the now open spaces left behind. Jones and Bradley both went M.I.A. for large portions of the match. Our wings weren't providing a lot of support either, though they weren't necessarily expected to. On the off chance we tackled or intercepted the ball, Mexico's strikers and mids kept the pressure on, so instead of keeping composed and passing laterally or back out of trouble (for there was no one to pass to), our backs were forced to play bootball, which seems to be the American default. Anyone who's played a high school level game knows that turns into a crapshoot REAL fast.

So yeah, the problems are crystaline. My question is, how do we fix them? I mean, maybe we can blame bradley, but even then...how many people on this squad would actually be able to carry out the game plans of a competent coach? Honestly, I don't think it's more than maybe two or three players. My real question after watching this is whether it's possible to salvage USYSA and/or the NCAA or whether serious players need to get pulled out of these for good to reach their potential. Because in their current forms, they're not working. We reached our peak in '02 and we've been trending level ever since.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
I'll find a "copy" in the next day or two and maybe watch it, but from what I've heard there's a few things to come out:

Good: Freddy Adu is a good player. Will someone PLEASE sign him and use him as a #10? I think we can safely say that he is our future in that attacking midfield row with Donovan and Dempsey.

Bad: Just like you said--and I have been bitching my ass off about this for YEARS and have advocated a Dutch coach consistently--we seem to have inherited this default kick-and-rush from the English. I have never seen us string together passes unless it's against the dregs of CONCACAF. Even in good games like, for example quite a few at World Cup 2002 (best we've ever played), we were relying on it more often than anything else.

Secondly, there's just simply a lack of quality at any of the defensive positions. Bocanegra was washed up 5 years ago, and now with DeMerit and Cherundolo's careers coming to a close and Gooch apparently losing his career to injury, we just don't have anyone at all who can fill the void. Tactically we can get better, but I think the biggest problem is a shocking lack of talent across the back.
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
INGERLAND
given how the football-watching experience in the USA portrays the Prem as the best football on the planet, and England as the favourites for every tournament due to the presence of the greatest collection of players, why is anyone surprised that the tactics being adopted are distinctly English? using physical play to make up for technical shortcomings, and resorting to a kick-and-rush mentality in hope of a counterattack, is what has given England all its wonderful accolades over the years, right?


COACH
Bob Bradley is no Bruce Arena ... I think the latter has the better working knowledge base of the continental European game ...

as for a Dutch coach (Bruce abhors the notion, of course): I gotta say I like the idea of someone with that sort of coaching education coming in ... but who have you got in mind? Frank Rijkaard is looking for a job, isn't he?


KORANTENG: THE MISSING LINK
to the main focus:

my fondness for this country has grown during my time here ... I'd love to see the USA have attacking players who can cause world class opposition some serious problems ... the first goal against Panama showed what this team should aspire to do against top-level sides: a goal born from vision, technique, and precision execution ... that ball from Freddy demonstrated that he can pick a killer pass, while Donovan's only option to get the ball to Dempsey was to spear that f*cker into the back post -- and he did!



but while Deuce and Landycakes have a good-enough level of composure to execute their decision-making consistently (Agudelo is decent too, but we can talk about his prospects later), Fredua clearly does not (often looking rushed and immature) ... it exposes his poor basic education; I can only imagine what he could have become had he, instead of becoming the MLS wonderkid at 14, gone to the Ajax School of Excellence ...

I can't see any team in Europe competing for a Champions League place handing him a #10 jersey ... but if he aggressively pursues an opportunity in countries like Holland and Belgium, or is prepared to go to lesser teams in Italy or Spain (or Germany, for that matter, given the level of player the academies have churned out in recent years), he could still develop the requisite tactical knowledge in a technical environment ...

the level of exposure he's gotten in 2 games at the Gold Cup is more than he's had in total over the last couple of years ... it's possible that he may get some new offers off of that ... he better make his next move based on development potential, and not just cash ...


USA'S STARLET FROM ZED
p.s. I'm following the progress of young Charles Bimbe-Renken ... he seems to be managing his footballing education fairly well, though he has faced injury issues; but he's still only 17, so I'm still keeping my hopes up for him ...
 

B9Goal

Senior Squad
Sunil Gulati, Bob Bradley and everyone else at the US Soccer Federation need to go. Gulati is more about money and recognition than he is committed to the sport and youth development.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Xifio;3056406 said:
but while Deuce and Landycakes have a good-enough level of composure to execute their decision-making consistently (Agudelo is decent too, but we can talk about his prospects later), Fredua clearly does not (often looking rushed and immature) ... it exposes his poor basic education; I can only imagine what he could have become had he, instead of becoming the MLS wonderkid at 14, gone to the Ajax School of Excellence ...

I can't see any team in Europe competing for a Champions League place handing him a #10 jersey ... but if he aggressively pursues an opportunity in countries like Holland and Belgium, or is prepared to go to lesser teams in Italy or Spain (or Germany, for that matter, given the level of player the academies have churned out in recent years), he could still develop the requisite tactical knowledge in a technical environment ...

Adu is just lacking playing time, the kid hasn't played much in the last... 4 years I guess and you can see the erosion of some of his skills; the same can be said for Altidore, but Adu is a better prospect still IMO. I know a year or two ago he sent something out on twitter like "where should I go out on loan this year" and I sent something all but begging him to find a team in Holland. He's been a spot starter in Greece and Turkey.

As for finding a CL team... that's a joke, clearly his sights should be lower than that (although the absolutely awful Kljestan playing for Anderlecht says perhaps Adu could do that). He just needs to play in a league that will demand SOMETHING of him: Holland, Belgium, even the Championship or Bundesliga 2.
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
I'd definitely recommend him to stay away from the British Isles ... he is never going to be a visionary, technically expressive trequartista if he's in that basketball-style, constantly counter-attacking, overly physical league ... and definitely a big NO to the Championship, where all he'll be doing is trying to not get hacked to death (on the field) by some has-been who failed to make the grade at the top level ...

if it isn't to be Holland, Belgium, Italy, or Spain, I like the idea of him in the Bundesliga; just because the sudden and sporadic nature of certain teams' competitiveness means that, if he finds himself in the right place, at the right time, he can learn and develop A LOT, and simultaneously taste top-level success ...
 

farmboy

Reserve Team
Definitely either bundesliga or the eridivisie; they're the two leagues left that are known for teaching and valuing a highly technical and creative style of play. actually, one place that'd be interesting would be barca b, although i have no idea how that might work or if it'd even be feasible (i note that their entire roster sans one mexican is spanish born). think about how much he'd pick up there, though, in a dedicated development team.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
farmboy;3056537 said:
Definitely either bundesliga or the eridivisie; they're the two leagues left that are known for teaching and valuing a highly technical and creative style of play. actually, one place that'd be interesting would be barca b, although i have no idea how that might work or if it'd even be feasible (i note that their entire roster sans one mexican is spanish born). think about how much he'd pick up there, though, in a dedicated development team.

Barca B aren't really professionals. I mean, they kind of are, but not really; it's a development squad.

Germany, a team like Hannover (a team that's had success with an American in the past) or something like that would probably be the best for him. Higher level than Holland, but I think there would be playing time available. And I think as far as bringing him in on loan, it wouldn't be too much of a gamble for a newly promoted side to bring him in.
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
Barça B is a professional squad and they finished 3th in liga adelante. Their main objective it's players development but they would be fighting for a europa league spot in first division. There are only 2 teams in the city, Barça and Barça B, **** you Espanyol de cornellà (H).
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Yeah, but they don't go out and buy players, and I think the contracts their players get are different from the contracts of the first team.
 

RobbieD_PL

Unreliable deceiver
Staff member
Moderator
Arnau;3056625 said:
Barça B is a professional squad and they finished 3th in liga adelante. Their main objective it's players development but they would be fighting for a europa league spot in first division. There are only 2 teams in the city, Barça and Barça B, **** you Espanyol de cornellà (H).

what about UE Sant Andreu? :biggrinx:
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
ShiftyPowers;3056628 said:
Yeah, but they don't go out and buy players, and I think the contracts their players get are different from the contracts of the first team.


They do, Nolito and Armando for example were signed to improve the squad not as a future posible Barça player, this season we are going to sign Kiko Femenía and José Ángel for Barça B team.
 

farmboy

Reserve Team
The fact that they aren't 'full pro' is kind of the point. The issue Freddy has has in every single team he's signed for is that they can't waste any time or games teaching him. They all wanted to, and all saw what he COULD be, but he would have been a liability for them on the field. Do whatever you want in practice, you aren't going to improve much if you're riding the pine. Thus, he needs to sign somewhere where they have an established history of IMPROVING and EDUCATING players; somewhere they can afford to give him playing time and allow him to make mistakes without having the pressure of a championship fight or looming relegation. A development team, in other words. Obviously, he needs enough money to live off of, but beyond that, taking a pay cut for assurances of playing time and individual training would be prudent IMO. I'm not saying Barca B is the right move, merely that it's an intriguing idea.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Well, he's also not anywhere close to good enough to play for Barca B. Thiago was playing at Barca B last year; Thiago is really good.
 

farmboy

Reserve Team
fair enough. i rescind the idea. i still think he could stand to play on a reserve/development team somewhere.
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps


Shifty, I expect you're thrilled! :-D
 

newbie original

We apologize for keeping the yellow too long
Yellow Card
Oh SH*T! What the hell!!!!??

He will be introduced at a press conference on Monday August 1 in the unofficial capital of the world - New York City, New York.

In case you are wondering, the US debt ceiling deadline is midnight on Monday August 1. Will America care about Jurgen Klinsmann on August 1?
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Xifio;3076222 said:
Shifty, I expect you're thrilled! :-D

The sad part is that no one understands how ****ty he is. I've been at war on a friends' facebook wall. Did you know that people are giving Klinsmann credit for the youth explosion in Germany recently? Has nothing to do with the $20 million invested in 2002 by the DFB at all, it was all Klinsmann! His lack of faith in Kroos and his selling of Hummels for Magic Beans alone should disqualify him from any position that requires the evaluation of talent.
 


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