pede54 said:
You say that Jose cant handle defeat? It seems like that sometimes but it all depends on whether you agree with him regarding certain suspicious circumstances that contribute to that defeat. Losing a fair game of football is not a problem as he has usually demonstrated . It when he feels cheated that he hits the roof.
Rijkaard has also shown us that he loses badly too, as have some Barca players. I remember after we beat Barca at Stamford Bridge, Eto, Ronaldinho and Rijkaard began pushing and shoving Chelsea players and officials and the referee as they made their way to the tunnel. This was the time when Eto lied about a Chelsea official calling him a racist name. The person accused was cleared by UEFA but Eto still went unpunished for that. Those were the worst scenes I have ever witnessed on the pitch at Stamford Bridge in over 35 years of going to Chelsea games. Then you have Rijkaards behaviour on the pitch after our last meeting too.
Your fourth goal that night was doubtful to many. Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with Terry's header because I didn't really see a foul on Valdes. Colina was the best referee in the game and I trusted his judgement fully, therefore I didn't doubt the regularity of your winner. But, a lot of Barca fans saw Carvalho foul Valdes. I don't know for sure if that is regarded as a foul, but I can tell you that, reading Barca forums, I saw a lot of anger towards Colina and Carvalho. Why? Because the fans felt cheated. That's what the players and Rijkaard felt, as well. So, from your point of view, their conduct after Colina had blown his whistle is justified, because they felt cheated. I disagree. It's never okay to create mess like that, not from any side, just because someone thinks they've been screwed. Take it like a man and have your revenge next time you meet the people that you think screwed you. That's what it should be like. That's what Rijkaard should have done some weeks ago. Suck it up, stop whining, and let it all come out on the pitch in the next clash with Chelsea.
I can continue talking about the issue of manager's (your or mine) anger being justified by naming the example of our latest game together. While I don't doubt that you deserved the draw, and that it was a balanced game, one could still say we were cheated at the end. I don't believe this is the case, but again, there are (a lot of) people who think we were screwed over by the ref, which is why Rijkaard reacted the way he did. The ref gives 6 minutes of injury time, you spend one celebrating, and another making substitutions, while the third "missing" minute was not even played. So basically, we played only 50% of the injury time we were supposed to play. Some people think the injury time should be carried out at full, meaning the ref shouldn't blow his whistle until it's certain every minute was played, meaning he should again make up for every delay and substitution. I don't think it should be that way, and I actually agree with delays and subs not being made up for if they occur during injury time. I don't even blame the ref for not giving us the sixth minute, because like I said, the result was just. However, had we lost, I would have been furious at the ref, because I would have felt cheated. So again, if we look at it from your point of view, Rijkaard's reaction is okay because he felt cheated, conceding in injury time, then watching the opposition waste as much time as possible, and then have the ref end the match one minute earlier than he should have. A lot of people would, and do, feel cheated. But even so, I condemned Rijkaard for doing what he did after the game. You should stop justifying Mourinho's behaviour just because you feel he has a reason for it. He's not the first nor the last to get cheated, and not everyone behave like total Carlos*asses when they do.
I watched the 4-2 game, and I also saw what happened afterwards. There were a lot of people pushing and shoving each other, players from both teams and security included. I don't see why it's Rijkaard, Ronaldinho and Eto'o who started pushing people around. The way I remember it, Eto'o or some had an argument with another man, and Ronaldinho came to clear up the situation, when he get punched in the back. Then he turned around and started pushing people around, which is understandable, because you can't expect a man to stand there taking shoves. And btw, the fact that the accused was cleared does not automatically make Eto'o a liar. Like I said, a lot of people were in that mess, and the thing I don't understand is how they identified the supposed racist in the first place, given that there were so many people. I believe someone indeed insulted Eto'o, because black people are not too fond of racism and I don't see why Eto'o would make it up. The fans at a stadium last season (can't remember which, exactly) were doing monkey chants and Eto'o headed for the locker room, when Ronaldinho came to stop him. To me, that doesn't seem like a man who'd invent racist names directed his way. He's sensitive when it comes to racism as we could have seen on a number of ocassions, sadly. The fact that one man was cleared doesn't mean Eto'o lied.
pede54 said:
The issues that Barca have with Jose go back to when he was himself at Barcelona. Its always the same when someone leaves your club. They are never forgiven for doing that and become a focus point of Barca hatred. You will not find any Chelsea fans throwing a bloody horses head at Damien Duff when he returns to the Bridge, unlike the incident involving Luis Figo. Barca fans call Jose " the interpreter" do they not? This is not meant as an endearing term it is meant as an insult. Barca fans would hate him whatever club he was coaching at. He is the coach of Chelsea now and that goes some way to explain the reason why most Barca fans dislike Chelsea too.
We sometimes call him "The translator", which is literally what he was at Barcelona. He was a translator between Bobby Robson and the team. I'll remind you that he became "The translator" after the initial incidents. No, it's not meant as an endearing term, but it's a way of the Barcelonismo punching back. The man comes to the Camp Nou and tells the press he alone won more titles than Barca in our entire history. That was BEFORE the Frisk incident, so how do you explain him being an ass for no reason? "The translator" is a way of putting him off his high horse by reminding him that HE STARTED OFF AT BARCA, the club he never fails to insult these days. So, it's more of a reminder than an insult. He was a mere translator for a Barca coach, and now he has the nerve to say he's won more than FC Barcelona in our 107 year history.
It's always the same when someone leaves our club? You are either busting my balls or you don't follow Barca very much. We are actually known as a club that charishes it's legends. I'll name a few recent players.
1. Guardiola. He decided he wanted new experiences in life so he took off for Italy. He was told that the blaugrana door would always be open if he ever decided to return. I'm sure you're aware of Iniesta's talent. Well, that young alien is called "Xaviola" by some, which is apparently a mix between Xavi and Guardiola (not sure, tho). Iniesta is regarded as our best midfielder and Barca's future leader, so you can see how much respect Barcelonistas have for Guardiola. Also, you can see on Barca forums lately how everyone is crying out for a new Guardiola, because we seem to be missing a real DM. Guardiola is very respected and liked in Barca, even tho he left.
2. Luis Enrique. Okay, he didn't exactly leave, but rather ended his career. We bid him farewell in a show that only Barca can make. He was invited to obtain a function at Barca, if he felt like it.
3. Cocu. Another legend. He left for PSV, but months later he was invited back to the Camp Nou to receive a reward for his career with us.
4. Larsson. The latest example. He went to Helsingborg because he wanted to end his career at home. Barca begged him to stay, but he refused. Even so, he remained a legend in the eyes of every Barcelonista. Now, we have Eto'o and Saviola injured with Guddy not playing that great, so the Club is rumoured to be in a move for - Larsson! Actually, it's more than a rumour because the Swedish league isn't played during the winter, so he could be free, and it seems we want him back on loan.
These four examples show very well that we treat our ex-players with respect, if they deserve it.
However, fig0 doesn't deserve that respect. I won't go into all that because everyone knows what happened, so it's understandable why we consider him a traitor. It's not like it happens with every player. he went to Real Madrid and got the treatment he deserved.
Barcelona treat every player with respect, but not if the player shows the Club no respect. And the thing they threw was a pig's head.
btw consider the unquoted part of your post conceded.
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