Beefburger
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It is a DISGRACE. I used to be a laubor fan but now i am not sure
Anyone agree?
Anyone agree?
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Tution fees
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ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Don't know anything about politics in England, but I agree that my tuition is WAY too high. I need a free ride just for being my own brilliant self.
Re: Tution fees
Well, for starters, I wouldn't see it as a Labour issue, as the conservatives would be doing the same thing if they were in government. It is basically bringing the UK into line with most other places and the move away from free tertiary education. I think I can speak with some authority on this matter as someone from a country where tertiary fees were introduced about 12 years ago, and I was involved in a number of protests against their introduction. The introduction of fees usually goes hand in hand with student loans as well.
I can definitely tell you this. They will argue that fees and student loans will assist the poor into getting a tertairy education, and will even out the playing field in that richer families will not have the chance to get a free education. This is an outright lie, especially for women. Research has conclusively shown that since women are more likely to take time off for maternity purposes, and are paid on average less than men for the same work, their loans will take many more years to pay off. Tuition fees and student loans also makes it nigh on impossible to get a mortgage from a bank for buying a house, unless you are in the 'privileged' position of being able to pay the loan back quicksmart.
Fees also mean that money accumulated over summer to be used for living purposes over the semester must now be used for fees, meaning more time must be spent in semester time working in a part time job or something, rather than concentrating on the studies, which is the whole point of tertiary education, isn't it. SOmeone will no doubt come up with an anecdotal story about some individual who was taking advantage of the system, but that is all it is - an anecdote. Fact is, most students do what they are meant to be doing - their studies.
Add to this the fact that the overall standard of work will drop as a result of stufdents having less time for study. Over time, this slip in overall standards leads to a drop in the expectations of markers (I can speak on this as well) and consequently 'grade inflation' and the dumbing down of the tertiary education process, as more teaching must be packed into fewer hours. Time for a philosophical discussion? Nape - got to work the part time job. etc. etc.
And what pisses me off more than anything is that the mongrels who introduce fees are always those who have benefited from a free tertiary education. They have no idea what it is like to try and balance a 40 hour week of study (which is what you aremeant to be doing) and trying to hold down a job that gives you enough money for the next week of food, rent etc.
Anyway, enough for now...
Originally posted by Beefburger
It is a DISGRACE. I used to be a laubor fan but now i am not sure
Anyone agree?
Well, for starters, I wouldn't see it as a Labour issue, as the conservatives would be doing the same thing if they were in government. It is basically bringing the UK into line with most other places and the move away from free tertiary education. I think I can speak with some authority on this matter as someone from a country where tertiary fees were introduced about 12 years ago, and I was involved in a number of protests against their introduction. The introduction of fees usually goes hand in hand with student loans as well.
I can definitely tell you this. They will argue that fees and student loans will assist the poor into getting a tertairy education, and will even out the playing field in that richer families will not have the chance to get a free education. This is an outright lie, especially for women. Research has conclusively shown that since women are more likely to take time off for maternity purposes, and are paid on average less than men for the same work, their loans will take many more years to pay off. Tuition fees and student loans also makes it nigh on impossible to get a mortgage from a bank for buying a house, unless you are in the 'privileged' position of being able to pay the loan back quicksmart.
Fees also mean that money accumulated over summer to be used for living purposes over the semester must now be used for fees, meaning more time must be spent in semester time working in a part time job or something, rather than concentrating on the studies, which is the whole point of tertiary education, isn't it. SOmeone will no doubt come up with an anecdotal story about some individual who was taking advantage of the system, but that is all it is - an anecdote. Fact is, most students do what they are meant to be doing - their studies.
Add to this the fact that the overall standard of work will drop as a result of stufdents having less time for study. Over time, this slip in overall standards leads to a drop in the expectations of markers (I can speak on this as well) and consequently 'grade inflation' and the dumbing down of the tertiary education process, as more teaching must be packed into fewer hours. Time for a philosophical discussion? Nape - got to work the part time job. etc. etc.
And what pisses me off more than anything is that the mongrels who introduce fees are always those who have benefited from a free tertiary education. They have no idea what it is like to try and balance a 40 hour week of study (which is what you aremeant to be doing) and trying to hold down a job that gives you enough money for the next week of food, rent etc.
Anyway, enough for now...
Gerrard 17
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it depresses me 
i get solid grades, 3.5 GPA, but i dunno if i will be able to afford my good-reach school.... i might just get stuck at some ****ty college nearby
i get solid grades, 3.5 GPA, but i dunno if i will be able to afford my good-reach school.... i might just get stuck at some ****ty college nearby
Gerrard 17
Fan Favourite
i feel ya man i've been here for only 2 years, and now i'm too old for the college savings stuff so i don't really have anything saved up....
aren't there scholarships for wrestling tho?
i've been here for only 2 years, and now i'm too old for the college savings stuff so i don't really have anything saved up....aren't there scholarships for wrestling tho?
yes, there are. however, i live in chicago which has about 10 million people in and around it, and there are a LOT of students there. a lot of kids are involved in wrestling, and you have to be exceptionally good for them to notice you. i had a decent record, but those suburb kids are about 10 times better then us city guys, and always end up snatchin the scolarships. didnt help that i sat out my sophomore year with back surgery either.
community colleges aren't that bad depending on where you live. here in california the jc system is really good, i think #1 in america. i went through the jc system and now i'm at UCI.
but yeah i agree tuition fees have been Carlos*ed up way too high.. fuggin' arnold, i thought he was all for education?
but yeah i agree tuition fees have been Carlos*ed up way too high.. fuggin' arnold, i thought he was all for education?
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
University of Wisconsin is pretty pimp though I must say. $5000 for the year and I get 3200 in loans, hellz yeah. That's just about as cheap as it gets for an upper echelon school.
I was in pretty much the same situation at Uni. I don't like the idea of making students, or their parents, pay for their further education because of that. If I was going to finish Uni with a £20K debt, despite all the 'you'll earn more than others over your lifetime because of your degree' arguments a debt like that might have made me think twice. I probably still would have gone to Uni because I'd always wanted too, but many people might not, and even more will probably end up with sizeable debts.
It obviously won't effect the children of the top-brass politicians because they'll be rich enough to afford it, and the politicians themselves are generally from priveledged backgrounds anyway, so the idea of debt and being short of money is something they have no experience of.
I have a feeling that it's a ploy by the government to tie a percentage of this population to an extra tax. It's also a more stealthy way perhaps of stopping people going to Uni. They disagree with Tory policy of limiting the number of courses and then providing for the students, in favour of pointless degrees in vocational subjects and heaping massive debts on the less fortunate.
They have not considered that the advantage a degree offers would also be saturated by the number of students coming through higher education with their targets. Would graduates be more likely to earn a higher lifetime income than non-graduates if every other person in this country is of that standard?
LOCOlombia
Starting XI
I agree, man tuitution seems to be going up every year, they are trying to put a cap on tuitution increase, but Unis say that if they have caps, they won't be able to have the latest state-of-the-art facilities..still too much tho, one good thing is that my Uni just opened a new building, and its hooked-up, the computer labs are awesome, with LCD's and new computers, so its a trade off, I just hope they won't be going up any higher...
I don't really know what to make of it but with the vote looming and the verdict of the Hutton inquiry it could be a bad week for Tony Blair.
What ever happens i hope the ******* Conservatives don't win the next election all they do is take from the poor and give to the rich. They're the rich mans friend.
What ever happens i hope the ******* Conservatives don't win the next election all they do is take from the poor and give to the rich. They're the rich mans friend.
Well well well, Blairs majority in parliament is 161, but this was slashed to 5 in the final vote... interesting times for someone who seemed to stride politics over there as if he were invincible.
Anyway, I agree with all of your points, and they are exactly what has happened here. Effectively, by saturating the universities with students, it makes unemployment look artificially low. The way things are done here, student allowances are tied to your parents income until you are 25
so if they earn over a certain amount, you get less and less until they earn a COMBINED income of $40000 (about 15000 UK pounds), when you get NOTHING. This is stupid - you are effectively penalised for going to university, because financially you are better off going on the unemployment benefit than going to university .As far as this being an extra tax - spot on. This is the case with ALL user pays schemes. The government might offer a tax cut, but this is always accompanied by the removal of subsidies of certain activities (well, not really subsidies as they are tax-payer funded). This is always couched in terms of 'consumer freedom' and 'consumer choice' and the like. This is bollocks. The services you are 'free' to choose from always cost more than any tax cut you might receive. Is a working class family going to set aside the extra 5 pounds per week they might get from a tax cut and suddenly be able to afford tertiary education for their two children? Of course not! It is just an illusion. And because of this, you must take out a loan for tertiary education, and then spend the rest of your life paying it back - the tax cut is paid for in the long run by the additional amount you must pay out of your income for the loan. I do hear that there will be no interest on the student loans in the uk... although this can always be changed in the future by the government of the day....
Well when they were introduced here by the Conservatives, some bright spark decided that it would be a good idea to put an interest rate of 8.2 % on the loans, and this is COMPOUND interest, so each years interest includes interest on the previous years interest, and so forth...
Student debt in New Zealand now totals ONE BILLION DOLLARS. We have a total population of 4 million people. Student debt is now larger than total government debt
.Most people spend their year paying off the interest, and don't make ANY dent in the loan principal at all. It is so ****ed up it is not funny.
yeah community colleges are not that bad. Here in PA im 15 minutes away from one of the top community schools in the USA. I may go right to college, but im also thinking about going to the CC for 2 years to get my degrees for Astrophysics, and Chemistry(maybe bio since my AP class is bio, not chemistry) and then going over to drexel to get my Chemical Engineering degree. Most schools in PA, NY, and NJ transfer credits from Northampton CC since its one of the best.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
That's the standard undergrad bill at my school, but it's pretty cheap compared to almost every school out there. Minnesota is maybe double that, and private schools are often up to $30,000 per year.
Unfortunately, I might be shut out of transferring to a four-year university, because the cost is so prohibitive. Where I live, there are only two public four-year schools, and I have no interest whatsoever in transferring there. Not only that, but their cost is high, even for in-state students. I don't even know how I am going to pay for the rest of my university education, once I transfer from the community college that I attend now. It looks like I'm at a crossroads on this matter: either drive myself deep into debt but have a degree, or not transfer and have a sh*tty job. What should I do?
PS: Here is some background info on my situation: My parents don't want me to leave the state, but I want to get away from them, and finally strike out on my own. I understand why they want me to stay home, because I am the firstborn child, and I happen to have a mild, almost-undetectable disability. Lastly, both public four-year schools in my state been overrun in recent years by students from the cesspool known as New Jersey. If I wanted to see people from New Jersey, I'd visit the set of The Sopranos.
PS: Here is some background info on my situation: My parents don't want me to leave the state, but I want to get away from them, and finally strike out on my own. I understand why they want me to stay home, because I am the firstborn child, and I happen to have a mild, almost-undetectable disability. Lastly, both public four-year schools in my state been overrun in recent years by students from the cesspool known as New Jersey. If I wanted to see people from New Jersey, I'd visit the set of The Sopranos.
::shinji::
Min
dude, go to UConn, it's full of rebellious hot rich-chicks that dissapointed their parents by not getting into Yale, you'll totally score.. :funny: