The size of a real-life soccer field VS Konami's soccer field

[The_Knight]

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This is how big a soccer field should be^^^

In WE/PES, its much smaller. (Easily noticable on watching a soccer game on TV)

I read before, that in video games, you want the game to end in 10-15 mins, so you'll have to have smaller field so you can move the ball faster from end-to-end. True.

But in PES5, the ball travels between players slower than it does in real life. Players in PES5 take more time to control the ball. They take more time to make a pass.

How about this: They make the field bigger, as in real-life. They compensate the bigger size, by making the passes faster, as in real life. The players become less clumsy when dealing with the ball, as in real life. There is more room more dribbling, a less tight play, and hence, less fouls, AS IN REAL LIFE. The bigger field provides a bigger vareity of plays and play-construction, AS IN REAL LIFE.

It's a WIN-WIN deal!! Why the hell won't KONAMI do that?

For me, the best thing in PES5 over PES4 was the bigger field. Why not make it reallife bigger, and along that line, fix all their other problems???

The game will look much more different. Better than the minor changes they do every year.

It's just something I needed to get out of my system.

 

[Ralph_Aello]

Yeah there are two things I absolutely hate in PES/WE compared to FIFA. Size of the field is ridiculously small and computer players have epic defensive mentality, every game being worse than current low-scoring playoffs at World Cup. I can't score, computer can't score. And if I can score, it is because computer defensive wingman are stupid in every level and my wingmen can always get a good cross off. Also, it is very easy to break into the box from the side as a result, no matter the difficulty settings the computer fails to accurately defend sides even on that small field.

Small field making it better? Nah, the smaller you drag the field, the less you take away movement space from players, meaning they have no room to create anything.

It is interesting how PES/WE fanatics claim realism, yet in that 'realism' the fundamentals are wrong *rolls eyes*

Don't get me wrong, I play WE9 alot more than FIFA, but at times it's good not to play against variations of best defensive minded Italy every single game no matter who the opponent is.

 

[kurabica]

How about this: They make the field bigger, as in real-life. They compensate the bigger size, by making the passes faster, as in real life. The players become less clumsy when dealing with the ball, as in real life. There is more room more dribbling, a less tight play, and hence, less fouls, AS IN REAL LIFE. The bigger field provides a bigger vareity of plays and play-construction, AS IN REAL LIFE.

Then go play fifa

 

[thetrooper37]

Then go play fifa

players in fifa are pretty damn clumsy and can't pass properly

 

[CarlosDanger]

Then go play fifa

Most asinine response ever....

 

[The_Knight]

Then go play fifa

oh-kay.

 

[CarlosDanger]

I would tend to agree with you Knight....although it is a common problem in sports games. Also the camera angle affects a lot of times as to the perceived size of th players vs. field.

 

[The_Knight]

The camera angle.... u've just struck a nerve in me.

It's year 2006... 2006, and we still have a non-adjustable camera. Any person watching soccer on TV will immediately realize that there is no TV camera angle as zoomed in and low as the widest camera on PES/WE.

It's so simple. And causes a major annoyance. Moreover, the Birdeye angle is too high and too zoomed out. Can't the geniuses at Konami come up with one in between???

Very very small changes could produce a major great new look. I thought KONAMI would realize that, being experts in 'minor changes' one year after the other.

If the camera angle remains the same in next-gen WE/PES, I think I'll have a stroke.

Even the well known pinball game called 'Fifa' got the camera angles right.

Another thing I needed out of my system.

 

[MightyTic]

Agree on pitch size , and the bit about "go play FIFA" no thanks! When all Konami need do is make the pitch bigger......


On cameras I agree with that too , I use WIDE to see as much as the field as I can, but even then, when you have a player on the ball the most you see of the pitch in front of him is about 10 to 12yrds.


I was playing a game with my son (on the same team) I had the ball and beat the fullback and got to the byline, I turned to face the D at the edge of the box to see if I could pick out a runner, from there I could not see the whole of the D, the camera angle is to LOW and not ZOOMED out enough!

If FIFA can have a larger pitch and cameras that you can raise up high and zoom a good bit out (in the Konami Wide camera placement or near enough) then Konami should be able to do it no problem ..

There are a few things that does my nut in about PES, but one that I can't see they would have any problems fixing or adding manual high and zoom is the camera positions on the sidelines.

I want to see want to see a lot lot more of the pitch with the sideline cameras , so I can see the build up and my players runs. That way I can pick the move I want, the way it is just now with the WIDE camera, as I said I can only see about 10 to 12 yrds in front of my player on the ball..

I much higher and zoomed out WIDE camera would do the trick , unless the reason they don't add manual high and zoom adjusts, is because you' would see that the AI and movement of your players was not that great, a camera that only shows 10 to 12 yrds in front of your player on the ball can hide a lot of sins .....


I love PES , yes we all know its the best out there! but the lack of any real competition has hindered the game not helped it ...

 

[The_Knight]

I love PES , yes we all know its the best out there! but the lack of any real competition has hindered the game not helped it ...

Exactly. All Konami needs is a competing game.

IT' SO DAMN EASY.

Konami: Make the pitch larger, then watch ONE match on TV and see how zoomed out and high a TV camera is.

The whole game will change. The tactics, the depth. THE LOOK. It's so damn simple. It's not like ppl are asking for a complicated piece of programming.

I feel that Konami spends 1 week/year improving WE.

All Konami needs is a competition and they'll be back to work. Now, its all about people buying the 'Obviously better game', which is PES/WE.

No motive for improvement anymore.

 

[Oliver Kalm]

Why the hell won't KONAMI do that?[...abass for you when we play golf this weekend.

 

[chitchat]

well have to agree with the field and camera.. but there is nothing we can do now since konami yet to fix any of it so is better to start getting know how to use the RADAR like pro. With RADAR u can see the whole field so start mastering the skill of dribbling while looking at the radar and not on the player. You can make nice long passes like real football using it.

 

[thetrooper37]

well have to agree with the field and camera.. but there is nothing we can do now since konami yet to fix any of it so is better to start getting know how to use the RADAR like pro. With RADAR u can see the whole field so start mastering the skill of dribbling while looking at the radar and not on the player. You can make nice long passes like real football using it.

that's what I do too. Just get used to looking at the radar more often and it becomes easier but I do agree that an improvement in pitch size and camera angle could be made

 

[The_Knight]

The radar is indispensible for me. All my goals, passes and moves are done according to it.

I just hate that something so easy to repair and so benificial to the look and gameplay of the game, has not been changed by Konami over the years.

 

[zeus78]

I hate the radar. Shure it a big help but that's not football. I hope that the field will be bigger and the game faster.

 

[kurabica]

You don't get what i meant by go play fifa . in fifa every and i mean every play player can control the ball like zidane & ronaldo. but in WE it depends on their technice ability .
and for the pitch size i think it is perfect according to match time & players size .
If you want a bigger pitch try this change the camera to Wide Or change the angle to 8

 

[Kame_Sennin]

I hate the radar. Shure it a big help but that's not football. I hope that the field will be bigger and the game faster.

radar not football, okay. but controling every player, seen from an external camera is not football either... Looking at matches on tv is not football :corn: Maybe you want a fpf ^^ (first person football )

and yeah , bigger pitch, full playtime (players taking ball for throw in given by some guy on the side),that we can pass if we want (i mean no more fade out), the referees, etc etc ETC ETC!
WORK KONAMI ! WORK !

 

[The_Knight]

There is A LOT of potential for making a great complete game of football out of PES/WE. But I don't think Konami has the motive to do it.

It's a shame, considering they already got the hard part figured out. Unlike EA that will never make a good football game however hard they tried (and they are). They have to reset the entire gameplay to a simulation, from scratch. Something that will never happen.

waiting for a new competition.

And, Kurabica: Duh.

Btw, I think the radar gives us a realistic view of what a player sees on feild. Like Beckham, before he makes a long thru pass, he looks and sees what position the attackers are at. Makes sense.

Its the size of the pitch, the camera angle, and the problems with the game (slow, clumsy players) that doesn't make sense. One solution for all problems.

 

[Pontiakos]

How about this: They make the field bigger, as in real-life.

Sure good idea.....

They compensate the bigger size, by making the passes faster, as in real life.

Passes are fast already

The players become less clumsy when dealing with the ball, as in real life.

Actually in real life players are clumsy in handling the ball, That IS real life There are only a handful of players world wide that have superior control.

There is more room more dribbling, a less tight play, and hence, less fouls, AS IN REAL LIFE.

In football there are ALOT of fouls! That is real life.

The bigger field provides a bigger vareity of plays and play-construction, AS IN REAL LIFE.

Actually PES is by far the closest to real life in constructing plays. There is always room for improvement but currently PES is the best.

Who ever said go play fifa didn't think it through, PES is the closest to real life right now.

 

[Ralph_Aello]

Could please those devoted PES loyalists please stop from over-praising the title in this thread? This is not PES vs FIFA thing where you need to make everything sound so glorious and perfect to impress the FIFA folks.


I am not a fan of FIFA series. Nor am I a fan of Pro Evolution Soccer and Winning Eleven series. I am a fan of football.

PES/WE is the closest there is to a simulation of that beautiful game currently. But it is still far from what it could be. Firstly, few mentioned the fact that without a radar you cut yourself off alot. That is true. For some reason, when my player is sprinting towards opposition goal, I see more what is BEHIND my player than ahead. Sometimes I enter the box and only then realize that hey, we have a few defenders here as well. That is very wrong.

A football simulation is played from TV view mostly, because 90% of the players out there, 90% of the time, see football from TV. We take the knowledge of what we see in real life, and incorporate it into our gameplay when playing a game. I like to 'play' like the football is played in real life, I don't play football simulations with the intention to 'beat the game', but to 'simulate football'.

And I use radar alot because that shows me the field that the player should be seeing, as well as what you would see in television.

PES/WE does need to increase pitch size, it is very, very small and it is not about camera angle (you can notice it is small from cinematic views, wide views as well). There is no room to play, and the room you 'can' play in, you mostly cannot see, which in the end makes the game feel more like a reaction-game and not a tactical-decision game.

Hopefully the next version will improve things, but PES/WE has not improved much since PES4, compared to FIFA that has made good improvements past few years (though 05 jump to 06 seemed to be very minor).

Maybe it would be a good thing that FIFA would in handful years get closer to simulation, maybe that would make Konami change this or that thing that is fundamental to the game of football, but who knows.

I'll go and play a few games of WE now again, take care