The Real Madrid Thread [2005 - 2006]

[Dreath]

Cicinho doesn't have the discipline to defend properly. He bombs up and strolls back. And even when he gets back he then lunges in, instead of stadning the attacker up.

I do wonder why he even thinks he's a right back. Or anyone else on that matter.

 

[Daniel David]

I do wonder why he even thinks he's a right back. Or anyone else on that matter.

As I already stated, because he is Brazilian Consider Mancini, from Roma; he played RB here at Brazil, and yet scored 20 or so goals in our league the year before going to Italy.

 

[Chacarita Juniors]

La nota positiva la puso el inglés Jonathan Woodgate, quien se ejercitó al mismo ritmo que sus compañeros aunque parece poco probable que entre en la convocatoria para el partido contra el Zaragoza. - MARCA

I guess at least he's practicing... (:/)

 

[R.9]

La nota positiva la puso el inglés Jonathan Woodgate, quien se ejercitó al mismo ritmo que sus compañeros aunque parece poco probable que entre en la convocatoria para el partido contra el Zaragoza. - MARCA

I guess at least he's practicing... (:/)

I just hope he will return really fit and that he don't get injured again !!

 

[faceNside]

I do wonder why he even thinks he's a right back. Or anyone else on that matter.

It's unfair to judge him only for 1 match, when he has done alright in the rest of the matches he has played as RB. Even he has said pubicly he's more comfortable playing at the back.

Socrates, Cicinho doesn't dare to dribble oponnents, if he doesn't receive a deep pass he just give the ball back.. This is why i don't consider him a good attacking midfielder.

 

[panxoman]

Cicinho doesn't have the discipline to defend properly. He bombs up and strolls back. And even when he gets back he then lunges in, instead of stadning the attacker up.

You could be talking about Roberto Carlos

 

[Dreath]

You could be talking about Roberto Carlos

I know!

Cicinho is a right sided Carlos.

 

[R.9]

Socrates, Cicinho doesn't dare to dribble oponnents, if he doesn't receive a deep pass he just give the ball back.. This is why i don't consider him a good attacking midfielder.

Cicinho is quite good dribbling the ball he should do that more offend wonder why he doesn't dare to dribble more.

 

[TheBlueBalla]

What shocks me about Cicinho is that the other two teams that were supposedly big in for him were ManYoo and Milan.

Now if he has as much trouble as he does defending in the Spanish league, can you imagine him in the far more defensively balanced England or the tactically rigid Italy? After a few starts and, probably, some massive blunders, he would be eating the bench or just be used as a midfielder fulltime.

Not to jump in with everyone slating him, but that tag of "the next Cafu" seems a bit premature now, eh?

 

[Socrates]

You could be talking about Roberto Carlos

But his not, I know you hate R. Carlos but come on now. No Cicinho is not a right sided Carlos. Even if he has been quite foolish this year.

TBB like I said before against class left wingers he cant coupe with them, he does not know when to go up or stay back, usually he is just up there. His speed helps him to get back but he is not good enough. Maybe he can be better or maybe not. He said it himself that he considers himself to be more of a midfielder so hell why not just play him in midfield. The only reason he played as RB was to get on the NT because that was his only chance otherwise thats it.

 

[faceNside]

What shocks me is that everybody is judging him for just 1 match! This is sick.

 

[BenBeckham]

any news on tonights game ?

I'd like to see Baptista and Cassano play upfront/behind or next to each other with Robinho on the left wing supporting them.

 

[Socrates]

What shocks me is that everybody is judging him for just 1 match! This is sick.

Well he has played as RB for more than 1 match and he does the same thing everytime, he always goes up and leaves up exposed, he needs to time his runs better. Everyone talks about that 1 match because that is the only game where he has gone up against a very good player ( Reyes ) before that we were up against pretty weak teams. Its sad we still have not beat one of the top teams in our league ( or even in our CL)

BB no so sure about the lineup, Caro has been pretty crayz lately so we will see.

BTW does anyone else think that Martin is trying to fix everyting to fast and is just rushing it? He wants to choose who the next manager now but I think he should wait and not be rushed into a decision, it seems like for a long time we have just rushed things to fix the problems for a shortwhile than boom its back again. We need a long term solution not a short one.

 

[BenBeckham]

Cheers Socrates

I'm guessing the XI (just for fun)

Bravo is left out because he played bad according to some on the board here. Mejia plays. Helguera probably won't get a single minute of play again...

Becks or Diogo plays CM because Garcia, Guti is injuried/spuspended.
Zidane can't play 5 games in a row. Upfront Ronaldo & Raul don't look ready/fit/good.

-----------------Casillas-----------------
Salgado----Ramos----Mejia----R.Carlos
Cicinho-Becks/Diogo-Gravesen-Robinho
-------------------Baptista---------------
-------------------Cassano---------------


ETA:

Well Lyon obviously is a class team - so no shame there imo, but it's true RM looked bad against the other opponents.

About the next Manager...
appearently he's decided already who it will be - he just won't tell it now.... (kindergarden if it's true)

Well he seems like another Version of Perez to me. So far he has done plenty of talking but no "doing" but maybe it's just the whole RM PR Machine that always works like that. At least that way it seems to be to me.

 

[Socrates]

http://www.eurosport.com/football/la-liga/2005-2006/sport_sto854615.shtml

Hmm I guess the manager is already chosen but he wont tell yet.

About the next Manager...
appearently he's decided already who it will be - he just won't tell it now.... (kindergarden if it's true)

Well if its a manager that is already with a club than its ok not to say just it but we should have waited to choose the manager rather than be rushed into getting him.

 

[Nuno]

All Cicinho needs is Beckham. Beckham and Cicinho are our best right side solution.

Now how about our President's strong statements. He claims he has already found us a coach for next season, but will not reveal the name as of yet. He says the coach will have the power to make his own decisions(about signings and everything else) and that the board will not get involved like Perez used to. Also he said he's ready to let certain players go if the technical staff feels they need to go. Even if it's a tough decision. He spoke of the importance of incorperating players of lesser fame who provide vital roles for a team(imo Makaleles). If he keeps his word, then Real Madrid can only grow stronger.

Now here is who I think should stay and who should go...

GK - Iker and Diego are both great so we have no problem in the GK position.

DF - I think Salgado, Helguera, Pavon, and Minambres should go. Raul Bravo defends better than either Helguera or Pavon at the moment so they are obvious choices. Salgado is not improving with age. Minambres has the worst luck with injuries. Cicinho, Woodgate, and Ramos are our future in defence. Raul Bravo, Diogo, and Mejia are actually very good backups. Roberto Carlos still plays with heart for us, even though some may think otherwise.

MF - Beckham and Robinho are the best solution for our wings, even though Caro seems to have forgotten. Gravesen may need to go because he can't decide what role he wants to play. Pablo Garcia can be excellent if he stays healthy. Guti simply needs offensive freedom to control our midfield as does Baptista who appears to be getting much better and playing with alot of heart. Sadly, Zidane is finally starting to show his age. He is an icon for us, but age gets the better of all of us.

CF - Raul is still untouchable. He needs to recover his form or he may end up like Del Piero. Cassano has a very bright future for us in a supporting role. I hope he gets the minutes he deserves. And finally I've arrived at our beloved Ronaldo. He is an enigma. I know he still has the ability to score tons of goals, but I fear he's lost the will to play for Real Madrid. I don't know if he'll ever play for us the same as he did in previous seasons. With that said, I fear Ronaldo will finally divorce us this summer. I will definately miss him if he leaves, and I'll regret that things did not turn out better. In the end, however, I think that decision would be best for both parties.

As for future signings....I'll let the mystery coach worry about that.

 

[BenBeckham]

Actually I think it's not a bad idea to have a manager now - at least he will have enough time to check the current squad, scout possible targets.

ETA

Well I just changed my mind about Martin after reading that Eurosport Interview. Sining hungry players, watercarriers aka teamworkers. Clear Out the current Squad.

My Ideas about RM

Goalies: Casillas (Superb) Lopez (Decent BackUp) No Change necessary

Defenders: Cicinho, Ramos, Woodagte, Mejia, Bravo, R.Carlos

I think they still can offer good things to Madrid, young (or at least not old players) mostly, a good mix of talent, expirience, skill.

A RB back up and another back up versatile defender should do it. Personally I'd love to see Van Buyten (Hamburger SV) at Madrid. Gretar Steinsson (AZ Alkmar) is a decent versatile defender - he can play RB, CB and LB.

Salgado (age, speed, fouling too much), Helguera (from top to flop), Pavon (easily overtaken by Bravo & Mejia)
Minambres (didn't know he was even here...) should all go

Midfielders: Becks, Robinho (expirience, freshness, skills & delivery) They're not perfect but would walk into most other european teams. Baptista shows a very improving form, a great teamplayer, maybe not the out and out striker but offensivewise top.

I'm unsure about Guti, Gravesen & Garcia - Playing wise they are good enough.

Sometimes I just feel Guti needs a fresh start, something new after so many years - offensive top, defensive not good.

Gravesen I think is one of the most underrated players - he's got fantastic technical abilities imo, a good view of the game, just his positioning and tackling is bad.

As for Garcia (honestly I've seen to less from him to really rate him fairly here)

Zidane should go for his sake or just agree to play max 20 mins a game or so.

a Top DM is needed badly, as a LM back up (for Robinho) - some spanish guys would be good. Wasn't there a talk about another Garcia ?

Strikers: Cassano & Soldado (hungry, young or new at the club) should remain.

For Raul it's a bit the same as for Guti, a new challenge somewhere else where he needs to prove himslef again would do him good imo (most of you probably don't like that idea - understanable) but he's just like the kid that never grows up like that, if he has no new challenge + he holds way too much power at the club) If he stays I don't have a prob with that, but no starting place for granted, no saying in team selections.

Ronaldo - no motivation, no desire, "nice weather footballer" definetly go (that does not mean that he can't score goals anymore) but he's not the player RM needs.

Portillo I don't rate at all; Soldado looks much better imo.

1-2 Strikers are needed, maybe one with a bit of expirience and one who's young and hungry.
Kuyt (Feyernord) Huntelaar (Ajax)

 

[Nuno]

The problem may be that Capel...I mean the mystery coach may want to finish off the season with his current team.

 

[datboy]

i think the new manager will be Del Bosque! just a feeling i have..

as for tonight's match. Caro is gonna experiment again?

according to MARCA Beckham will play next to Gravesen in a double pivote. and Ronaldo and Baptista will start.

---------------Casillas------------
--Salgado--Ramos--Mejía--Carlos--
--------Beckham--Gravesen-------
-Cicinho------Baptista----Robinho-
--------------Ronaldo-------------

 

[Socrates]

Well here is mine, I will try to keep it short.
GK - No need to talk about this.

DC/DR/DL - For me Carlos, Pavon, Helguera, Bravo ( why the hell did he get a contract extension?? ) should be gone. Salgado/Diogo as backup. So now the big question should Ramos be a RB or a CB? I think RB and Salgado?Diogo to be his backup, two new centerbacks for next season ( Woody cant stay fit ) and Mejia plus Woody or whoever else is fit to cover them. For LB Cole and Filipe ( from Castilla ) to be his backup.

MF - Gravesen is gone, Zidane should retire and Cicinho should move up to playing in midfield. I dont have a problem with Becks but at the same time im not crazy about him either. Baptista and Guti should still be here as should Robinho.

CF - Raul and Cassano should be here and Soldado to get the callup. Ronaldo should be gone.

i think the new manager will be Del Bosque! just a feeling i have..

as for tonight's match. Caro is gonna experiment again?

according to MARCA Beckham will play next to Gravesen in a double pivote. and Ronaldo and Baptista will start.

---------------Casillas------------
--Salgado--Ramos--Mejía--Carlos--
--------Beckham--Gravesen-------
-Cicinho------Baptista----Robinho-
--------------Ronaldo-------------

What kind of formation is that?? Ah whatever.

Would you be happy with Del Bosque though? Not trying to knock him down but really he is not a great manager like everyone makes him out to be and he is not the best opition either.