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[sl benfica]

Katsouranis = Lucho -- Lucho is more talented but Katsouranis has shown incredible consistency. Both good, but Lucho has CLEARLY the edge. He was the best player of our league, with competition from Liedson, Simão and Quaresma. Katsouranis, for all the good player that he is, will never EVER match that. Ever. Never.

Katsouranis was voted by the press and coaches, even your own coach voted for him, has MVP player of the first half of the season. He adapted so quickly to portuguese football, and is always fighting for the win. Of course in preseason he had that frago in our net LOL.

 

[Filipower]

yeah, but that is goal of the season to me, hands down.

 

[Sporting88]

lol that is definitley the goal of the season... to chip your own keeper from half...pure class...give this guy a nobel prize lol

 

[Filipower]

Nobel Prize For The Players Who Are Better Than Lucho Gonzalez In The Eyes Of Benfica Fans.

 

[Vinnie Jones]

As a neutral i have no doubts that Lucho is way better than Rui Costa. Rui Costa was a great player in Fiorentina with all the limitations but in Milan he was nothing more than decent.

 

[Virgo]

lmao you gotta be f*cking kidding me, you're comparing probably the 2nd best playmaker of the last ten/fifteen years with a guy that didn't even break in Argentina's starting 11 until recently.

oh well you know how they say opinions are like vaginas.

 

[El Diablo Rojo]

lmao you gotta be f*cking kidding me, you're comparing probably the 2nd best playmaker of the last ten/fifteen years with a guy that didn't even break in Argentina's starting 11 until recently.

And was on the starting 11 the last time due an emergency, also the fact that he is a RM even, in the match against France he played like a pseudo-AM because Aimar got injured, but he isn't supposed to be an AM.

 

[RuiCosta_10]

As a neutral i have no doubts that Lucho is way better than Rui Costa. Rui Costa was a great player in Fiorentina with all the limitations but in Milan he was nothing more than decent.

wtf?! that's gotta be a ******* joke

not only he's king in Fiorentina alongside the great Batistuta as he was great in our NT.

In Milan he was amazing in their Champions League season, he didn't score goals, true, but count the number of assists he made and then re-think your opinion about him being nothing more than decent.

After that season, due to his age and the arrival of Kaká (phenomenal player, and much younger) he lost his place on the team.

 

[Vinnie Jones]

Why is it a ******* joke? Second best playmaker? Based on what? Your opinion? Wtf is your problem? I said in my opinion. I never rated Rui Costa that highly, well at least in your level. And i´m saying RIGHT NOW, that i prefer Lucho. If we compare their season this year, are you telling me that Rui Costa is better? If so, that assessment is the real joke. You can´t really compare careers since Rui Costa is at the end of his career and Lucho is developing his. This year Rui Costa has missed about 50% of Benfica´s games and Lucho has been way more influencial at Porto and in the Champions League. Just compare the numbers. In our Nt IN MY OPINION, Figo, Maniche and Cristiano Ronaldo have been much more important and influencial than Rui Costa.
I said decent if we analyze ALL his career at Milan. Good first year, reasonable second year and invisible in the remaining years.

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

Rui Costa's the best portuguese playmaker of all time, but not teh 2nd best playmake in the past 15 years. Zidane, Ronaldinho, kaka, arguable even Deco can top him. (oh im ready for the backlash lmao).

 

[Johnny_Big]

I gotta ditto Paulo da Silva. Much players in the last 15 years top him in playmaking. And Deco is one of those. Actually, I prefer Deco than Rui Costa.

Still, Rui Costa will always be remember as a great player, but much more, really much more between the portuguese nation than worldwide.

 

[darth vader]

damned! i must be very unlucky! i admit that i've not seen many porto games this season, neither last season, but every time that i see a porto game, lucho never play so well. it's hard for me to understand how everybody (who certainly see more porto games than i) talk so good about lucho. for what i've seen he just nothing more than a good player, highly overrated. only moutinho is even more overrated than lucho. of course, if i would go by the media's opinion i would say "wow what a fantastic player!". i probably should watch more more porto games, just to check it.

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

damned! i must be very unlucky! i admit that i've not seen many porto games this season, neither last season, but every time that i see a porto game, lucho never play so well. it's hard for me to understand how everybody (who certainly see more porto games than i) talk so good about lucho. for what i've seen he just nothing more than a good player, highly overrated. only moutinho is even more overrated than lucho. of course, if i would go by the media's opinion i would say "wow what a fantastic player!". i probably should watch more more porto games, just to check it.

exactly, how about watching his games before you call him overrated. Anybody who starts for Argentina for the past 2 years and is consistantly called up is a good player and thats it. In fact he's a great player. It seems to many to be a good player one must have fancy haircuts and do stupid and often meaningless tricks to be a very good player. Lucho keeps things simple. Hes pure class and scores amazing and very important goals for Porto. Plus he's already our captain after not even two years. The importance he has on this team is amazing, but you cant compare him to Rui Costa, two totally different players. All Rui had to worry about was attacking and creating plays. Lucho has different roles. end of discussion

a must also ditto Johnny Big. rui Costa will always be remembered as a pseudo God by the Portguese, mainly benfica fans. albeit, he was a ******* amazing player, one cannot say he was the 2nd best playmaker overthe past 15-20 years. one can also add:

Nedved
Veron
Rivaldo
Michael Laudrup
Brian Laudrup
Totti
Baggio (all be it he wasnt an all out playmaker)
Bergkamp
Gheorge Hagi

These are all guys that have played over the past 10-15 years and are arguably as good or even better than Rui Costa. It all comes down to many factors and not just an opinion of die hard fans. Rui is one of the best Poruguese players of all time for sure. Up ther with Figo, Eusebio, Paulo Sousa, Joao Pinto, etc...

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

oh yeah Dnamo are absolutely ****. i hope Porto catch them in the CL next season. Benfica owned them completely in the 2nd half. Good job, we could not lose that game today especially since those Romanians are right behind our backs for extra CL positions

 

[Tiago_10]

rui Costa will always be remembered as a pseudo God by the Portguese, mainly benfica fans.

That's so not true. Rui Costa is an idol for so many non-portuguese players. Go and ask italian fans what they think of Rui Costa.

And c'mon guys, don't compare Lucho with Rui Costa. Firstly, and I agree with Paulo da Silva they play different roles. Lucho isn't an AM, he's not a number 10. I'm not saying he's a bad player but he doesn't have Rui Costa's vision, passing accuracy, technique, ball control, etc. This of course doesn't mean Lucho is bad at those things, he's not as good. But he has more stamina, defensive skills, etc.

And yeah, Rui Costa is 34 now and obviously he can't do full 90 mins many times, but that doesn't mean Lucho is better. But like I said, he isn't an AM so this is all pointless.


edit: Braga just scored by Diego!! With ten men!

 

[Johnny_Big]

BRAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
In your face f*ckin italians

Congrats to SLB as well, 2 teams in 1/8 final of UEFA, great stuff. Braga will face Tottenham (ouch) and SLB will have PSG =)

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

That's so not true. Rui Costa is an idol for so many non-portuguese players. Go and ask italian fans what they think of Rui Costa.

And c'mon guys, don't compare Lucho with Rui Costa. Firstly, and I agree with Paulo da Silva they play different roles. Lucho isn't an AM, he's not a number 10. I'm not saying he's a bad player but he doesn't have Rui Costa's vision, passing accuracy, technique, ball control, etc. This of course doesn't mean Lucho is bad at those things, he's not as good. But he has more stamina, defensive skills, etc.

And yeah, Rui Costa is 34 now and obviously he can't do full 90 mins many times, but that doesn't mean Lucho is better. But like I said, he isn't an AM so this is all pointless.


edit: Braga just scored by Diego!! With ten men!

Oh dontget me wrong I know Rui Costa will be seen as a great player by italian fans especially Fiorentina and Milan, but it is the Benfica fans that hype this guy as a footballing god. 2nd Best Benfica player of all time, maybe, but the 2nd best playermaker the past 15 years not even close. although I think Simao has been a better player for Benfica than Rui Costa was, the difference is the love one has for the team and the love the other one has for himself.

 

[::shinji::]

great day in UEFA! Steaua Bucharest lost too so no danger of Romania catches us anytime soon..

 

[Virgo]

It's f*cking amazing how everyone starts to publically underrate players the minute they join Benfica.

I'm not gonna argue anymore over this issue as much as I think your opinions are absolutely ridiculous (Brian Laudrup? HAHAHA), especially because only Hagi and M.Laudrup of those players you listed were true playmakers.

The kind of opinions that actually matter for me is like the one of a Juve fan back in 2000 or 2001 when the Zizou to Madrid rumours were starting to sprout, saying to my dad when we were in Italy, that he wouldn't mind that they sold Zidane at all if that meant getting Rui Costa as he thought the portuguese was more consistent.


and btw my love for him as a player has nothing to do with the fact that he's a Benfica supporter or anything. I have no problem saying Simao was much better for us than he was, Rui Costa was just a talented kid when he left. But that's probably because he left very young and Simao has played the best years of his career here.

 

[Nakamura]

Rui Costa was definitely one of the top 3 playmakers of the 90's and early 2000's, there's not even a shadow of a doubt.

I also remember how when Euro 2000 was played and Figo was our main star, hearing Italian as well as Spanish commentators saying that although Figo was amazing, Rui Costa was seen by them as the most important player in the Portuguese NT at the time. As others already said, the only two reasons that Rui isn't given the proper respect by the majority of people is because of one of two reasons: 1 - The fact he's a Benfica symbol, but about those people I really don't care at all and most importantly 2 - Because we was at Fiorentina during his best years. Even so, he managed, along with Batistuta to take them to several great accomplishments and two Italian cups. He carried the f*cking team for years and years and was voted as Serie A's best player more than once.

And comparing him to Lucho, if you're talking about their careers as a whole and considering their peak, it's almost insulting to put Lucho in Rui's level. Lucho is a great player, no doubt about it, but Rui at his best was a genius. Now, of course, Lucho still has many years ahead of him and who knows where he may end up, but ATM there's just no comparison. Also, having said this, Lucho is currently better than Rui, obviously, given Rui's age.