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The England National team thread
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lplover2k2
Senior Squad
pede54;2299160 said:
agree the english media always try to find something to demoralise the team.... always try to create scandals,etc...
Thelonious
Senior Squad
Bobby;2299141 said:
I think its more to do with the technical flaws of the English players , they do well at Premiership level but so often fail to perform on the international stage. Many formers players have commented on the poor coaching English players recieve in comparison with their European counterparts. A small country like Portugal produces far more skillful players and it can't all be down to natural talent.
This current team are not world beaters but there is no doubt that they are underperforming , McClaren was a poor choice but the xenophobic media made it almost impossible to get a foreign coach ( Scolari cited this for pulling out of the managerial race) but on a positive note we didn't end up with Stuart Pearce. I think once a few players return things may improve , but Steve McClaren won't be given too many more chances before he's shown the door.
lplover2k2
Senior Squad
the problem also is that there is not enough competition between the players.... the starting lineup looks the same almost all the time.... maybe that's also because the second choices are not good enough... England seems to lacking young talents... only a few are doing good(e.g. Lennon....Richards)... maybe it has to do with the academies etc...
just look at France, they have loads of young promising talents!!! Ribery, Abidal, Mexes,Toulalan,Clichy,Diaby,etc.... there are too many...
just look at France, they have loads of young promising talents!!! Ribery, Abidal, Mexes,Toulalan,Clichy,Diaby,etc.... there are too many...
Nothing really new since my last post in this thread
„a rubbish manager who still selects players on reputation and not form/team mentality. He doesn’t try many new players and if he does most often not in their best position to honestly have a look at them. There is no team visible, only individualists."
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I watched both the U21 and Senior Int Game yesterday
Bentley, Milner, Lita, Baines along with Huddelstone look promising, specially Bentley was awesome yesterday for the U21.
Too bad they are not given a chance in the Senior Side (same with the Seniorside Squaders)
As for the Players "playing" yesterday
Robo wasn't tested enough to give a fair rating
Neville and Carragher looked vulernable early on, yet with the game going the did quite ok IMO (appart from the Carrager ball back playing 9/10 times, but at least he was halway dangerous upfront)
Terry (Mr I bully and whalz over anyone and everything) I only noticed him when he walked in and over people. (thanks to Czech, Carvalho, Makelele, Essien he looks good)
Rio ("We care we really do" - about the dosh...not the game that is! He's as error prone as Silvestre - thank god for Vidic/Heinze/Neville/VdS at Utd) – nearly cost England a few times and why always the long balls upfront ?!
Lampard (Totally Frank, you're playing shyte for England since months!) a diving big mouth arrogant lazy w*nker for England.
Gerrard (Stevie Me Me Me Me Me Me Me) „He is so good he can play any position appearently“ - appart the Right Wing that is!
Why could't Lennon play on the right then and the so fabulous Gerrard somewhere else? For all those „Hansens“ “build a team around him crap“ – I guess Benitez is a unqualified coach and that's probably why he prefers Alonso, Sissoko, Mascherano in CM above Gerrard.
Hagreaves appart from 1 mistake did ok, a watercarrier and teamplayer, needs to improve his passing a bit tough.
Lennon looked quality despite being on the wrong side of the pitch, not only promising, I'd argue and say already delivering if used in the right way litteraly.
Johnson: missed a chance but at least he tried, maybe he's good enough maybe he's not - he needs some games for a fair verdict.
Rooney (Mr Ying Yang) - the good part stays at Utd, the bad part shows up for England since almost Croatia Eruo 2004.
Certain Players need more than a good kick up their *rse !
„a rubbish manager who still selects players on reputation and not form/team mentality. He doesn’t try many new players and if he does most often not in their best position to honestly have a look at them. There is no team visible, only individualists."
***
I watched both the U21 and Senior Int Game yesterday
Bentley, Milner, Lita, Baines along with Huddelstone look promising, specially Bentley was awesome yesterday for the U21.
Too bad they are not given a chance in the Senior Side (same with the Seniorside Squaders)
As for the Players "playing" yesterday
Robo wasn't tested enough to give a fair rating
Neville and Carragher looked vulernable early on, yet with the game going the did quite ok IMO (appart from the Carrager ball back playing 9/10 times, but at least he was halway dangerous upfront)
Terry (Mr I bully and whalz over anyone and everything) I only noticed him when he walked in and over people. (thanks to Czech, Carvalho, Makelele, Essien he looks good)
Rio ("We care we really do" - about the dosh...not the game that is! He's as error prone as Silvestre - thank god for Vidic/Heinze/Neville/VdS at Utd) – nearly cost England a few times and why always the long balls upfront ?!
Lampard (Totally Frank, you're playing shyte for England since months!) a diving big mouth arrogant lazy w*nker for England.
Gerrard (Stevie Me Me Me Me Me Me Me) „He is so good he can play any position appearently“ - appart the Right Wing that is!
Why could't Lennon play on the right then and the so fabulous Gerrard somewhere else? For all those „Hansens“ “build a team around him crap“ – I guess Benitez is a unqualified coach and that's probably why he prefers Alonso, Sissoko, Mascherano in CM above Gerrard.
Hagreaves appart from 1 mistake did ok, a watercarrier and teamplayer, needs to improve his passing a bit tough.
Lennon looked quality despite being on the wrong side of the pitch, not only promising, I'd argue and say already delivering if used in the right way litteraly.
Johnson: missed a chance but at least he tried, maybe he's good enough maybe he's not - he needs some games for a fair verdict.
Rooney (Mr Ying Yang) - the good part stays at Utd, the bad part shows up for England since almost Croatia Eruo 2004.
Certain Players need more than a good kick up their *rse !
Thelonious;2299343 said:
Spot on, kids in our academies are introduced to competitive matches far too early at the detriment of technical coaching. Which is why England has always produced fighters and competitive players but the technical side of the game has always been lacking.
The English academy system is deeply flawed. I dread to think what the standard of player available to the national team will be like in 10 years time.
lplover2k2
Senior Squad
the best England i have seen so far is the one at the world cup 98 under Glenn Hoddle
lplover2k2
Senior Squad
3-0 against Andorra..2 goals by Gerrard one for Nuggent!! first cap first goal not bad
gamerguy350
Reserve Team
Yeah but it was a bit of a steal wasn't it. Oh well I've claimed one just like that lol
AberdeenFC
Min
england are an absolute joke of a team and i love it
Moronic article from soccernet.com that whinges on about the usual but it's kind of interesting and I don't know if anyone has seen it. And before you point it out, f uck linking:
problem is their very nationality
Jon Carter
Archive
After a week of criticism from everyone capable of lifting a pen and typing on a keyboard, it is an unusual step to take, but can it be said that England's woeful performances in recent times have not actually been Steve McClaren's fault?
GettyImages
McClaren points the way, but is it all his fault?
Probably not, and he certainly can't be absolved of blame, but there is something else that has been eating away at the heart of the England side and unfortunately there is nothing whatsoever that anyone can do about it. It is the very fact that they are English. Sitting at the new Wembley stadium on Saturday, it was obvious that it was an English crowd simply because there were empty seats just inches from the pitch. Anywhere else in the world and these seats would have been snaffled by spectators keen to get the best view, yet as Englishmen, these fans were happy to sit 55 metres up, as long as it meant they were sitting in the seat printed on their tickets. While this Englishness may certainly be an excellent foundation for playing for the national side, it is not something that will instil a great deal of confidence from those watching the Premiership week in, week out. Given the exciting, fast-paced nature of the English domestic game, it may come as a surprise that this brand of football is not replicated with regularity on the international stage. Yet the Premiership is jam-packed with foreign talent, constantly out-manoeuvring their English counterparts and making the established stars look better than they are. Wayne Rooney is lauded as England's best player, yet he has arguably the world's best player at the moment, in Cristiano Ronaldo at Manchester United, to give him the space and the time he needs to work. A frustrated Rooney is no good to anybody, as we saw against Portugal in the World Cup, and indeed there were signs that the dark side of his game was rearing its head again after the clash with Tal Ben Haim. Rooney had made the Israeli defender look foolish not three weeks ago in a 4-1 hammering of Bolton, but on the international stage, did nothing to enhance his reputation by sulking and allegedly throwing a tantrum in the dressing room after the game. Yet at club level, Rooney is typical of England's potential. Skilful, confident and working within a team that plays well together, the young striker is classed as the one of the best in the world, despite his tender age. Similarly, Frank Lampard has smashed 20 goals in for Chelsea from midfield, yet struggles to complete the cow and banjo idiom when he pulls on an England shirt. Is it because they're on their own? Unused to playing without the technical excellence and insight of their foreign team-mates? On the evidence of their recent form, one would have to say that it's certainly a possibility. Pity poor Theo Walcott if he ever fulfils his potential and holds down a regular starting place with England. Without an Englishman in the current Arsenal team (not counting the U-21 promise of Justin Hoyte), the youngster will be alone in a sea of mediocrity, having been weaned on the technical precision of Arsene Wenger's side. That's not to say that England don't have class players. Of course the likes of Steven Gerrard, John Terry and Rooney would make any side in the world. But it is a case of making them gel, and unlike their mutual club experience, it has to be with other Englishmen. An example of how it doesn't work (despite McClaren's protestations to the contrary) is the central midfield pairing of Lampard and Gerrard. Undoubtedly excellent players, but completely unable to play together. Jose Mourinho must be breathing a sigh of relief that Gerrard chose to stay at Liverpool over a move to Chelsea a few years back. Lampard is used to having the freedom of Stamford Bridge, with Claude Makalele cleaning up and keeping possession next to him. In Didier Drogba, he also has a powerful main target man to play off. But when Wayne Rooney is involved, let alone throwing Gerrard into the mix in the middle as well, there is a lot less space in which to work.
GettyImages
They couldn't play together in Macedonia, and they still can't now.
Gerrard for his part, is also used to having the technically gifted Xabi Alonso beside him, along with Liverpool's 'destroyer' Momo Sissoko. When he plays for England he is often shunted onto the right-wing which he has described as the 'graveyard' shift, even preferred to the pace of Aaron Lennon, and has roamed around the pitch in search of the ball. Lennon has the cut and thrust that has been missing in England's attacking play to date and has the pace to worry any defence, but has been misused on the left wing where he has to cut inside to cross with his right foot. Back at Tottenham, Lennon is given the freedom on the right touchline, and has even played more centrally, working off the talent of Dimitar Berbatov. If the most potent attacking threat England possess is to fire again, surely he has to play in his preferred position? Excuses aside, and there have been many brought up by McClaren in the Israel fall-out, it is a daunting prospect that England may not qualify for the Euro 2008 tournament in Austria and Switzerland. Going from an unlucky quarter-final team to one that struggles to qualify for major competitions is a bitter pill to swallow for the media, let alone the players themselves and McClaren has shouldered much of responsibility, as any manager should. In truth though, England's players playing together are just ordinary, and it's too much to ask that they aspire to the unrealistic tag of 'world-beaters', at least until their egos can come to terms with the harsh reality. That, or they need to advance the cloning process to include the likes of Ronaldo, Thierry Henry and Drogba. It may be the only way that England's faithful fans get to see another trophy anytime soon.
problem is their very nationality
Jon Carter
Archive
After a week of criticism from everyone capable of lifting a pen and typing on a keyboard, it is an unusual step to take, but can it be said that England's woeful performances in recent times have not actually been Steve McClaren's fault?
GettyImages
McClaren points the way, but is it all his fault?
Probably not, and he certainly can't be absolved of blame, but there is something else that has been eating away at the heart of the England side and unfortunately there is nothing whatsoever that anyone can do about it. It is the very fact that they are English. Sitting at the new Wembley stadium on Saturday, it was obvious that it was an English crowd simply because there were empty seats just inches from the pitch. Anywhere else in the world and these seats would have been snaffled by spectators keen to get the best view, yet as Englishmen, these fans were happy to sit 55 metres up, as long as it meant they were sitting in the seat printed on their tickets. While this Englishness may certainly be an excellent foundation for playing for the national side, it is not something that will instil a great deal of confidence from those watching the Premiership week in, week out. Given the exciting, fast-paced nature of the English domestic game, it may come as a surprise that this brand of football is not replicated with regularity on the international stage. Yet the Premiership is jam-packed with foreign talent, constantly out-manoeuvring their English counterparts and making the established stars look better than they are. Wayne Rooney is lauded as England's best player, yet he has arguably the world's best player at the moment, in Cristiano Ronaldo at Manchester United, to give him the space and the time he needs to work. A frustrated Rooney is no good to anybody, as we saw against Portugal in the World Cup, and indeed there were signs that the dark side of his game was rearing its head again after the clash with Tal Ben Haim. Rooney had made the Israeli defender look foolish not three weeks ago in a 4-1 hammering of Bolton, but on the international stage, did nothing to enhance his reputation by sulking and allegedly throwing a tantrum in the dressing room after the game. Yet at club level, Rooney is typical of England's potential. Skilful, confident and working within a team that plays well together, the young striker is classed as the one of the best in the world, despite his tender age. Similarly, Frank Lampard has smashed 20 goals in for Chelsea from midfield, yet struggles to complete the cow and banjo idiom when he pulls on an England shirt. Is it because they're on their own? Unused to playing without the technical excellence and insight of their foreign team-mates? On the evidence of their recent form, one would have to say that it's certainly a possibility. Pity poor Theo Walcott if he ever fulfils his potential and holds down a regular starting place with England. Without an Englishman in the current Arsenal team (not counting the U-21 promise of Justin Hoyte), the youngster will be alone in a sea of mediocrity, having been weaned on the technical precision of Arsene Wenger's side. That's not to say that England don't have class players. Of course the likes of Steven Gerrard, John Terry and Rooney would make any side in the world. But it is a case of making them gel, and unlike their mutual club experience, it has to be with other Englishmen. An example of how it doesn't work (despite McClaren's protestations to the contrary) is the central midfield pairing of Lampard and Gerrard. Undoubtedly excellent players, but completely unable to play together. Jose Mourinho must be breathing a sigh of relief that Gerrard chose to stay at Liverpool over a move to Chelsea a few years back. Lampard is used to having the freedom of Stamford Bridge, with Claude Makalele cleaning up and keeping possession next to him. In Didier Drogba, he also has a powerful main target man to play off. But when Wayne Rooney is involved, let alone throwing Gerrard into the mix in the middle as well, there is a lot less space in which to work.
GettyImages
They couldn't play together in Macedonia, and they still can't now.
Gerrard for his part, is also used to having the technically gifted Xabi Alonso beside him, along with Liverpool's 'destroyer' Momo Sissoko. When he plays for England he is often shunted onto the right-wing which he has described as the 'graveyard' shift, even preferred to the pace of Aaron Lennon, and has roamed around the pitch in search of the ball. Lennon has the cut and thrust that has been missing in England's attacking play to date and has the pace to worry any defence, but has been misused on the left wing where he has to cut inside to cross with his right foot. Back at Tottenham, Lennon is given the freedom on the right touchline, and has even played more centrally, working off the talent of Dimitar Berbatov. If the most potent attacking threat England possess is to fire again, surely he has to play in his preferred position? Excuses aside, and there have been many brought up by McClaren in the Israel fall-out, it is a daunting prospect that England may not qualify for the Euro 2008 tournament in Austria and Switzerland. Going from an unlucky quarter-final team to one that struggles to qualify for major competitions is a bitter pill to swallow for the media, let alone the players themselves and McClaren has shouldered much of responsibility, as any manager should. In truth though, England's players playing together are just ordinary, and it's too much to ask that they aspire to the unrealistic tag of 'world-beaters', at least until their egos can come to terms with the harsh reality. That, or they need to advance the cloning process to include the likes of Ronaldo, Thierry Henry and Drogba. It may be the only way that England's faithful fans get to see another trophy anytime soon.
!?celtic 2007
Club Supporter
pede54;2301903 said:
Bobby is right, scotland are better
Luis Ah-Hoy
Senior Squad
becksfranksteve;1804032 said:
sorry, i couldn't help it...
