Bah it's postponed again, to sometime between thursday night and friday night, most likely will be friday late afternoon, right after the stock market closes so the Lazio and Juve shares will not drop rock bottom. This is not a good sign for said clubs, imho the sentences are already written a long time ago but they were waiting for the World Cup celebrations to fade a little before releasing the harsh verdicts. I hope I'm pessimist here and the truth will be better.
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The AC Milan Thread [2006/2007]
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Shevchenko-[7] said:supposedly "inside sources" say :
Milan -9 points
Lazio -15 points
Fiorentina -15 points
Juve -15 points.. In B..
I really dont understand whats it we are guilty of..
Grazie Rino and Alberto!
You know what's taking the piss out of me? Some Juve supporters that want to drag us with them to Serie Z or wherever they going to end up... for one dubious phonecall vs. Moggi and his dozens of illicit tricks and a phonebook full of phonecalls, you got to be kidding me. I'm not going to post in other teams threads, because I consider those ennemy territory and I don't want to go taunt there, but boy do they get on my nerves. I should stop reading other team's threads too now lol, it's ruining my days.
And it's time the verdict falls, I didn't sleep well since May because of this crap.
You know what's taking the piss out of me? Some Juve supporters that want to drag us with them to Serie Z or wherever they going to end up... for one dubious phonecall vs. Moggi and his dozens of illicit tricks and a phonebook full of phonecalls, you got to be kidding me. I'm not going to post in other teams threads, because I consider those ennemy territory and I don't want to go taunt there, but boy do they get on my nerves. I should stop reading other team's threads too now lol, it's ruining my days.
And it's time the verdict falls, I didn't sleep well since May because of this crap.
Berlusconi speaks :
MILAN - President Berlusconi had this to say in Gazzetta dello Sport: ’I am not going to make any statements about the amnesty as it does not seem applicable. There is another discussion: this trial is taking place without indispensable characteristics of certainty that must be taken into consideration, there are at least three.
First: the judges have not listened to all the telephone calls so secondly, they have not listened to all the witnesses.
Thirdly: there are evidenced various situations from what has taken place. There seems sufficient reasons to assert that there are not some guarantees to arrive at the full facts on part of the judges. Another important consideration is that money has never been mentioned so corruption cannot be spoken about in the exact sense.
I do not acquit everyone but the eventual sanctions should not hit the players, many of whom have demonstrated on the pitch to be the best in the world and they do not deserve to go down to Serie B or C.
The fans should not be penalised either as they are not responsible, they just pay and the true resonsiblity lies with the managers and referees and a true outcome would be arrived at after listening to all the witnesses in a calm manner not after a highly summarised trial.
I remember that Milan have finished second in two championships. If we had finished first then they would have been recognised, it’s right that the second is rewarded, otherwise we are adding insult to injury.’
I am against everyone being relegated, I am speaking not just as Milan president. I am against it because relegating a side like Juventus would also hurt third parties. How many teams are not guilty, would we then be forced to stop the trial against Juventus? I
t will also damage creating sponsors and television companies that have already signed deals. Then there is the matter of exclusion from European competition. In this case, fans and players are also being unjustly penalised.
I am speaking as Milan president and why should a club like ours that has been in the forefront of the European stage for the last three years be penalised? However, I don’t want to think of our own interests but I am looking at the big picture.
Even leaving out the players and fans, we should hit those who really made the mistake. However, we should have a serious and true trial, diverse from the one we are assisting in.’
MILAN - President Berlusconi had this to say in Gazzetta dello Sport: ’I am not going to make any statements about the amnesty as it does not seem applicable. There is another discussion: this trial is taking place without indispensable characteristics of certainty that must be taken into consideration, there are at least three.
First: the judges have not listened to all the telephone calls so secondly, they have not listened to all the witnesses.
Thirdly: there are evidenced various situations from what has taken place. There seems sufficient reasons to assert that there are not some guarantees to arrive at the full facts on part of the judges. Another important consideration is that money has never been mentioned so corruption cannot be spoken about in the exact sense.
I do not acquit everyone but the eventual sanctions should not hit the players, many of whom have demonstrated on the pitch to be the best in the world and they do not deserve to go down to Serie B or C.
The fans should not be penalised either as they are not responsible, they just pay and the true resonsiblity lies with the managers and referees and a true outcome would be arrived at after listening to all the witnesses in a calm manner not after a highly summarised trial.
I remember that Milan have finished second in two championships. If we had finished first then they would have been recognised, it’s right that the second is rewarded, otherwise we are adding insult to injury.’
I am against everyone being relegated, I am speaking not just as Milan president. I am against it because relegating a side like Juventus would also hurt third parties. How many teams are not guilty, would we then be forced to stop the trial against Juventus? I
t will also damage creating sponsors and television companies that have already signed deals. Then there is the matter of exclusion from European competition. In this case, fans and players are also being unjustly penalised.
I am speaking as Milan president and why should a club like ours that has been in the forefront of the European stage for the last three years be penalised? However, I don’t want to think of our own interests but I am looking at the big picture.
Even leaving out the players and fans, we should hit those who really made the mistake. However, we should have a serious and true trial, diverse from the one we are assisting in.’
Gilardino speaks :
MILAN - ’I am really pleased to get back to speaking with the Rossoneri fans!’ This is what Alberto Gilardino had to say on the telephone with Milan Channel. ’What is certain is that my future is with Milan.
I am joined to this shirt and this splendid club, my objective is to win with this team.’ Gila’s relationship with Milan was as close as ever during the World Cup: ’It’s incredible that at 24 I am a World Champion, a difference from my team-mates Costacurta and Maldini.
They are great champions and continued to send messages of support throughtout the World Cup. My best record? I will never forget my goal against USA but also my flick for Del Piero against Germany.
Rino Gattuso speaks :
MILAN - Rino Gattuso spoke about his Rossoneri future to Milan Channel: ’I am proud to wear the Milan shirt, I heard yesterday that Doctor Galliani repeat that Rino Gattuso was going nowhere.
There has been a lot said about Milan in recent months but I think this team is equal to any. We don’t feel less than anyone, we have battled for everything in the last two years.’
Turning to the World Cup: ’I never thought there would be nearly a million people at Circus Maximus. I am in Calabria now and tomorrow I will have a party with my friends which is something have makes me proud.
In this World Cup everyone gritted their teeth but that’s the way I like it, I cannot give up, everyone who knows Rino Gattuso knows that.’
MILAN - ’I am really pleased to get back to speaking with the Rossoneri fans!’ This is what Alberto Gilardino had to say on the telephone with Milan Channel. ’What is certain is that my future is with Milan.
I am joined to this shirt and this splendid club, my objective is to win with this team.’ Gila’s relationship with Milan was as close as ever during the World Cup: ’It’s incredible that at 24 I am a World Champion, a difference from my team-mates Costacurta and Maldini.
They are great champions and continued to send messages of support throughtout the World Cup. My best record? I will never forget my goal against USA but also my flick for Del Piero against Germany.
Rino Gattuso speaks :
MILAN - Rino Gattuso spoke about his Rossoneri future to Milan Channel: ’I am proud to wear the Milan shirt, I heard yesterday that Doctor Galliani repeat that Rino Gattuso was going nowhere.
There has been a lot said about Milan in recent months but I think this team is equal to any. We don’t feel less than anyone, we have battled for everything in the last two years.’
Turning to the World Cup: ’I never thought there would be nearly a million people at Circus Maximus. I am in Calabria now and tomorrow I will have a party with my friends which is something have makes me proud.
In this World Cup everyone gritted their teeth but that’s the way I like it, I cannot give up, everyone who knows Rino Gattuso knows that.’
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Shevchenko-[7] said:
The only reason Milan is even in this trial is because Rossi the chief investigator (he is a good friend of Morrati, the Inter patron), and Prodi (the new prime ministre and biggest ennemy of Berlusconi) got them into it . BTW, Prodi is only interested in football in two things, to go on the picture with the world cup winning squad and to hit Berlusconi where it hurts.
I am absolutely loyal to Berlusconi, before he came, 20 years ago, we were in Serie B and on the verge of bankrupt, he saved us and brought us many many players and trophies. Imho he does the right thing to criticise the trial, he knows how to influence the public opinion very well, he has been prime ministre for a long time
If the tribunal puts Milan in Serie B I bet he will launch an attack on his political opponents that has never be seen before, and I am still convinced that he is the one that leaked the tapes in the first place
No news on when the verdict will be heard, it is still sheduled for tomorrow after the stock exchange closes.
I really think that we are going to stay in serie A, because they dont really have an evidence against the team, one ******* phone call in which nobody mention something fraudulent is not evidence.
I think this is going to be our team:
Dida
Miguel(hope) Nesta Kaladze Sergihno
Pirlo
Gattuso Seedorf(or the french guy)
Kaka
Torres Inzaghi(Gilardino)
I think this is going to be our team:
Dida
Miguel(hope) Nesta Kaladze Sergihno
Pirlo
Gattuso Seedorf(or the french guy)
Kaka
Torres Inzaghi(Gilardino)
If we stay in A with not a too harsh penalty (scudetto still possible) then I expect this :
------------------Buffon--------------
Zambrotta-----Nesta-----Kaladze-----Maldini
-------Gattuso-------------Zé Roberto--------
------------------Pirlo--------------------
------------------Kaka-------------------
------Gilardino----------Mister X ---------
Sub for Buffon : either Abbiati if he doesn't stay with Juve or Dida who didn't sign a new contract (I say sell him now while we still get cash for him), Fiori, Coppola, Kalac (sell either Kalac or loan Coppola, Fiori retires next year)
Sub for Zambrotta : Simic and Cafu (I see the latter leave for San Paolo)
Sub for Nesta : Billy (last year) and a new defender to be bought still (Oddo? Barzagli?)
Sub for Kaladze : Favalli and the new defender. Or if Gallas comes after all he becomes titular
Sub for Maldini : last year for the captain so I put him in my starting 11, when rest needed, alternate with Favalli, Serginho and the new defender.
Sub for Rino : Ambrosini, Brocchi, Vogel (I think he will be sold to Monaco), Foggia
Sub for Zé Roberto : Seedorf, Jankulovski (I hope to keep him but rumors send him to Palermo or Roma), Foggia.
Sub for Pirlo : Vogel, Gourcuff, Ambrosini
Sub for Kaka : Gourcuff
Sub for Gila : Inzaghi, Amoruso
Sub for Mister X : Inzaghi, Amoruso
Mister X : Has to be a good attacker to fill the gap Sheva has left, this won't be easy and this won't be cheap, the calciopoli scandal already costs us a lot of lost time and the best players are going to other clubs while the transfer window advances...
Ibrahimovic is almost at Inter, Torres is way too expensive and seems to prefer Man Utd, Adriano stays at Inter or goes to Madrid (and was dissapointing both in Serie A and the WC to be honest), RVN will likely move to Bayern.
I would like Tevez there! Other candidates could be Klaas Jan Huntelaar (unlikely as he is still young and inexperienced), Saviola and of course our old warrior Crespo that wants to come back to Italy (Milan or Inter) at all cost, I say loan Amoruso and take Crespo
EDIT :
It seems Milan entered the race for Cannavaro, but I bet this is only to take the piss out of Real Madrid's new boss Caldéron who made announcements of getting Kaka to his team.
Then the new defender guy I was talking about, add Grygera from Ajax to the possible candidates
Finaly, Gazetta dello Sport writes that according trustworthy sources, Milan will stay in A, getting a -15 penalisation and no CL football this year (maybe UEFA cup though).
My thoughts on this : 15 points is a whole lot and puts us out of the Scudetto race even before the season starts. This penalty is in reality a -30 one vs. Inter, Palermo and Roma who strengthened their squads already for the next season, we'll be lucky to end the season in a UEFA cup spot... this sucks.
But not as much as for the three others, according to the Gazetta : Lazio faces Serie B with 6 points penalty, Fiorentina goes down with 12 points penalty and Juve escapes Serie C1 but goes to B with a whopping 25 points penalty... don't take this for the truth though, the Gazetto dello Sport wrote this in it's morning edition. The tribunal itself gives it's verdict tonight it seems.
What do you guys think?
------------------Buffon--------------
Zambrotta-----Nesta-----Kaladze-----Maldini
-------Gattuso-------------Zé Roberto--------
------------------Pirlo--------------------
------------------Kaka-------------------
------Gilardino----------Mister X ---------
Sub for Buffon : either Abbiati if he doesn't stay with Juve or Dida who didn't sign a new contract (I say sell him now while we still get cash for him), Fiori, Coppola, Kalac (sell either Kalac or loan Coppola, Fiori retires next year)
Sub for Zambrotta : Simic and Cafu (I see the latter leave for San Paolo)
Sub for Nesta : Billy (last year) and a new defender to be bought still (Oddo? Barzagli?)
Sub for Kaladze : Favalli and the new defender. Or if Gallas comes after all he becomes titular
Sub for Maldini : last year for the captain so I put him in my starting 11, when rest needed, alternate with Favalli, Serginho and the new defender.
Sub for Rino : Ambrosini, Brocchi, Vogel (I think he will be sold to Monaco), Foggia
Sub for Zé Roberto : Seedorf, Jankulovski (I hope to keep him but rumors send him to Palermo or Roma), Foggia.
Sub for Pirlo : Vogel, Gourcuff, Ambrosini
Sub for Kaka : Gourcuff
Sub for Gila : Inzaghi, Amoruso
Sub for Mister X : Inzaghi, Amoruso
Mister X : Has to be a good attacker to fill the gap Sheva has left, this won't be easy and this won't be cheap, the calciopoli scandal already costs us a lot of lost time and the best players are going to other clubs while the transfer window advances...
Ibrahimovic is almost at Inter, Torres is way too expensive and seems to prefer Man Utd, Adriano stays at Inter or goes to Madrid (and was dissapointing both in Serie A and the WC to be honest), RVN will likely move to Bayern.
I would like Tevez there! Other candidates could be Klaas Jan Huntelaar (unlikely as he is still young and inexperienced), Saviola and of course our old warrior Crespo that wants to come back to Italy (Milan or Inter) at all cost, I say loan Amoruso and take Crespo
EDIT :
It seems Milan entered the race for Cannavaro, but I bet this is only to take the piss out of Real Madrid's new boss Caldéron who made announcements of getting Kaka to his team.
Then the new defender guy I was talking about, add Grygera from Ajax to the possible candidates
Finaly, Gazetta dello Sport writes that according trustworthy sources, Milan will stay in A, getting a -15 penalisation and no CL football this year (maybe UEFA cup though).
My thoughts on this : 15 points is a whole lot and puts us out of the Scudetto race even before the season starts. This penalty is in reality a -30 one vs. Inter, Palermo and Roma who strengthened their squads already for the next season, we'll be lucky to end the season in a UEFA cup spot... this sucks.
But not as much as for the three others, according to the Gazetta : Lazio faces Serie B with 6 points penalty, Fiorentina goes down with 12 points penalty and Juve escapes Serie C1 but goes to B with a whopping 25 points penalty... don't take this for the truth though, the Gazetto dello Sport wrote this in it's morning edition. The tribunal itself gives it's verdict tonight it seems.
What do you guys think?
About Maldini read my whole postShevchenko-[7] said:I didnt read ur whole post yet, but surely, Ze Roberto aint gonna be a starter
And Maldini wont be a regular. Thats pretty sure as well.
As for Zé Roberto he is favored by Ancelloti and was along with Kaka, the best Brazil player on the WC. Only danger is that Atlético Madrid wants him too, I read that on calciomercato after I wrote my post, so if he goes there replace him with Seedorf (I would put Jankulovski as a starter, but I doubt Carlo will do that)
I think if he goes to Atletico, again, we are doing them a favour. Its about time they pay it back with you know who 
And I like how we are trying to piss Real off
Would have been cooler if we did it with Cesc or Robben though.
Honestly, I will wait for the verdicts before posting possible next season teams. I just read that CL is really at risk for us. THAT F*CKING WORRIES ME. I believe with a penalty of about -6 or -9, we could still win the league. But no CL really sucks, all the glamour and money comes from there. We tend to perform a lot better againts open teams as well. Ahh..
And I like how we are trying to piss Real off
Would have been cooler if we did it with Cesc or Robben though. Honestly, I will wait for the verdicts before posting possible next season teams. I just read that CL is really at risk for us. THAT F*CKING WORRIES ME. I believe with a penalty of about -6 or -9, we could still win the league. But no CL really sucks, all the glamour and money comes from there. We tend to perform a lot better againts open teams as well. Ahh..
Shevchenko-[7] said:
It should worry Inter also, if we won't participate in the UEFA cups we just could be forced to put an effort in winning the Coppa Italia this time
I am sick of the verdict. I would like to read how they justify to dock us 59 points total (44 in 2005, 15 penalisation to start next season which already puts us out of the title race before the championship even begins) and get Galliani suspended for 1 year and Meani for 3 years and six months for one measy phone call that got wrongly interpretted... it's baffling me.
dam this sucks for milan...but hey u guys r still in seria a...ill be rooting for inter 2 win it this year
Rui10Costa said:
Yep, the other 3 got it even worse, although I expect the appeals to put all 4 clubs in better shape than they are now.
I forsee
- a lesser point penalty for Juve, -15 instead of -30 in B
- a lesser point penalty for Fiorentina, -6 instead of -12 in B
- Lazio in A, but with a -15 penalty and no UEFA.
- either no point penalty but no UEFA for Milan or a -15 still but with UEFA qualification for us. (either two would be a lot better than what we have now)
Oh well, I forsee Nesta and Kaka leaving because we will be out of the CL for likely 2 years (depending on the appeal and penalisation points), good for them, we don't need mercenaries, I hope they prove me wrong though.
Also if it remains like this, this will badly **** up our transfers, no big names will want to come if we aren't in the CL... bleh.
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