Spain proposes 2013 Champions World Cup!!!

[pasion1]

Seems to me the only reason you would be in favor of this is because Uruguay is in it, latching onto their WC wins from a century ago.


Brazil always qualifies to the Confed out of South America...


I don't think nations would take this seriously. Times have changed.

HOLY !@$@$#% #$%#$%#!!!! FIFA HAS APPROVED THE TOURNAMENT!!!!
Blatter says it will take priority over the Confederations Cup (they will either scrap it or have reserve players from the top nations show up).

2 groups, semis and final. No decision on location.

This is HUGE!!!


(and you, yankee, I'm at Uni in Australia and every European here shat their pants collectively (as well as the 1 Argentinean) when they just heard FIFA approved it.) There's an unspoken bond between people from the traditional football nations you'd really never understand (kind of like explaining sex to a virgin).

 

[Sevillista]

I love it, and not just because Spain is in it. It's not as if the winner of this tournament is going to claim any special honors, it's just an entertaining summer friendly tournament between big names. As a one-off, I don't think anybody has anything to complain about except countries that would have participated in the Confederations Cup, and I suspect they won't be terribly disappointed either.

 

[Galaxyman]

This is incredible! Days after I post the link about the first "Mundialito" movie being released, THIS happens.

Funny how some of the nations outside of the champion nations are reacting. Many of my friends are Americans who love football and they seem totally against it. "It's boring". "I'd rather watch Iran vs. New Zealand. Much more heart in that!!!"
I read a similar comment from 1-2 americans here funny enough. What they really mean is: "We're not invited "

Well, truth be told, it's going to be huge. The first ever Mundialito is an official FIFA title and was taken 100% seriously in 1980. This won't be a "friendly tournament". It's a once every 3 decade thing to see the Champion among Champions, pitting the greatest football nations of all time , many of whom rarely get to play each other.
I am 100% going to this tournament , wherever it is being held. It will be huge.

 

[Xifio]

I love it, and not just because Spain is in it. It's not as if the winner of this tournament is going to claim any special honors, it's just an entertaining summer friendly tournament between big names. As a one-off, I don't think anybody has anything to complain about except countries that would have participated in the Confederations Cup, and I suspect they won't be terribly disappointed either.

the "lesser" champion nations from "lesser" continents would be gutted! it must have been one of the proudest moments for the Iraqi players to have been on the pitch as equals with the megastars of world football from Spain ...

HOLY !@$@$#% #$%#$%#!!!! FIFA HAS APPROVED THE TOURNAMENT!!!!
Blatter says it will take priority over the Confederations Cup (they will either scrap it or have reserve players from the top nations show up).

2 groups, semis and final. No decision on location.

This is HUGE!!!

am I missing something? I don't see any mention, let alone confirmation/approval, of this on FIFA's website ... point to me to the appropriate links, please ...

 

[Back Door Skip]

HOLY !@$@$#% #$%#$%#!!!! FIFA HAS APPROVED THE TOURNAMENT!!!!
Blatter says it will take priority over the Confederations Cup (they will either scrap it or have reserve players from the top nations show up).

2 groups, semis and final. No decision on location.

This is HUGE!!!


(and you, yankee, I'm at Uni in Australia and every European here shat their pants collectively (as well as the 1 Argentinean) when they just heard FIFA approved it.) There's an unspoken bond between people from the traditional football nations you'd really never understand (kind of like explaining sex to a virgin).

I'm Mexican, retard.


And congrats, I guess. I hope all nations do take it seriously.

 

[Galaxyman]

I read a report on Marca. Sounds legit. Few friends of mine said it was mentioned in Spain and briefly in talk shows around Argentina and other south american football shows, saying FIFA delegates called in shows to confirm the "intention" to have it. but it was mentioned for about 40 seconds before they moved on.

From what I read, we won't hear anything about this for months. It's only in the developmental stages, so other than what Blatter said (like 2 lines saying "Yeah, we'd prefer this over the Confed cup"), FIFA refuses to release anything else until they have studied how the hell they are going to do this.
Only thing that is sure is that Argentina, Uruguay and Spain are all in for this tournament. They are the only media sources that have been vocal about this.
Too early to tell though. Though the possibility of it happening is fantastic.

 

[Galaxyman]

the "lesser" champion nations from "lesser" continents would be gutted! it must have been one of the proudest moments for the Iraqi players to have been on the pitch as equals with the megastars of world football from Spain ...




am I missing something? I don't see any mention, let alone confirmation/approval, of this on FIFA's website ... point to me to the appropriate links, please ...

read ^^ . Blatter's quote was far from official. But he did talk about it "off the record", and it was mentioned in a bunch of football shows saying that all the nations are very interested in participiating. That's about it
For now, there's nothing else to talk about until we get more news in a few months time.

 

[::shinji::]

And obviously Spain is only making this stupid proposal because they just won the World Cup. Had they lost to Holland I'm guessing they would think this was as stupid as I do.

^ What he said. ^

They're behaving like "new money"

 

[vitu]

Question? Did Uruguay win the World Cup before Columbus landed in America?? It sure seems like it.

I sure as hell don't wanna see cheaters like Suarez playing such tournament. But whatever.

 

[Filipower]

What he did wasn't cheating, it was a foul. He was rightly penalized for it. Ghana didn't take advantage.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

It's very unfortunate that Gyan couldn't convert that penalty, but Suarez did the right thing. I would have used my hand too. The MOST IMPORTANT THING in football is to win; if you don't win, what's the point? I know some cultures don't have that mentality and they prefer "football d'arte" or whatever, but Uruguay definitely seems to have come up in a culture of "just win baby" that I can respect. I think they've gotten more pragmatic and less artistic as the level of player has gone down... they can't be as stubborn about playing an ineffective style like Argentina because they just don't have as many quality players, but really that's probably a good thing.

 

[Xifio]

What he did wasn't cheating, it was a foul. He was rightly penalized for it. Ghana didn't take advantage.

yup, and those are the indisputable facts ...

however, I still maintain that the punishment, according to the current laws of the game, doesn't fit the crime ...

It's very unfortunate that Gyan couldn't convert that penalty, but Suarez did the right thing. I would have used my hand too. The MOST IMPORTANT THING in football is to win; if you don't win, what's the point? I know some cultures don't have that mentality and they prefer "football d'arte" or whatever, but Uruguay definitely seems to have come up in a culture of "just win baby" that I can respect. I think they've gotten more pragmatic and less artistic as the level of player has gone down... they can't be as stubborn about playing an ineffective style like Argentina because they just don't have as many quality players, but really that's probably a good thing.

I certainly can't respect it ... I mean, I can understand how one arrives at that level of desperation, but the willful corruption of sporting spirit is nothing to respect ...

sport is about entertainment, not just winning ... it is the means to victory that is the most important, not the mere victory (i.e. winning and style go hand in hand; one without the other is nothing to celebrate) ... the idea that "history only remembers winners" is fairly unintelligent: 1) after all, isn't it about what you remember? why concern yourself so much about what "history" will think? 2) legendary tales are comprised of epic stories (not just winning stories), and they don't merely feature the final scoreboard of who won or lost ...

 

[Mandieta6]

however, I still maintain that the punishment, according to the current laws of the game, doesn't fit the crime ...

Agreed.

 

[#1 Stunna]

I think this would be entertaining at the very least. Though some of these nations live on the past and have fallen from grace.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

sport is about entertainment, not just winning ... it is the means to victory that is the most important, not the mere victory (i.e. winning and style go hand in hand; one without the other is nothing to celebrate) ... the idea that "history only remembers winners" is fairly unintelligent: 1) after all, isn't it about what you remember? why concern yourself so much about what "history" will think? 2) legendary tales are comprised of epic stories (not just winning stories), and they don't merely feature the final scoreboard of who won or lost ...

You're wrong. Winning is the only thing that is important for a player. The only thing. For fans, maybe you want to be entertained, but for a player, for a manager, for a club and for a country, winning is the only important part of the match. I have NEVER grown up thinking of sports as entertainment for myself over actually winning. That's stupid. When I play something competitively I want to win. The idea that history only remembers winners is completely true by the way; the World Cup has been played so few times that it's maybe not easy for you to see, but do you think Argentina cares that they were absolutely disgraceful in 1978? **** no. They won the World Cup and the nation went into ecstasy. Cryuff likes to pollute minds with this "only playing beautiful" garbage, but talk to anyone else on those Ajax/Holland teams and they'll tell you that WINNING is the only thing that mattered to them. Because they were athletes and men, not armchair artists.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

World Cup >= Olympics?

 

[#1 Stunna]

You're wrong. Winning is the only thing that is important for a player. The only thing. For fans, maybe you want to be entertained, but for a player, for a manager, for a club and for a country, winning is the only important part of the match. I have NEVER grown up thinking of sports as entertainment for myself over actually winning. That's stupid. When I play something competitively I want to win. The idea that history only remembers winners is completely true by the way; the World Cup has been played so few times that it's maybe not easy for you to see, but do you think Argentina cares that they were absolutely disgraceful in 1978? **** no. They won the World Cup and the nation went into ecstasy. Cryuff likes to pollute minds with this "only playing beautiful" garbage, but talk to anyone else on those Ajax/Holland teams and they'll tell you that WINNING is the only thing that mattered to them. Because they were athletes and men, not armchair artists.

To quote a Mexican soccer coach a few years back when questioned about the way his team was winning games...

"You want entertainment? Go to the circus."

 

[Xifio]

You're wrong. Winning is the only thing that is important for a player. The only thing. For fans, maybe you want to be entertained, but for a player, for a manager, for a club and for a country, winning is the only important part of the match. I have NEVER grown up thinking of sports as entertainment for myself over actually winning. That's stupid. When I play something competitively I want to win. The idea that history only remembers winners is completely true by the way; the World Cup has been played so few times that it's maybe not easy for you to see, but do you think Argentina cares that they were absolutely disgraceful in 1978? **** no. They won the World Cup and the nation went into ecstasy. Cryuff likes to pollute minds with this "only playing beautiful" garbage, but talk to anyone else on those Ajax/Holland teams and they'll tell you that WINNING is the only thing that mattered to them. Because they were athletes and men, not armchair artists.

hahaha, condescension once again ... you know, if I didn't pursue a career in sports, it was because my intellect wouldn't allow me to not pursue several serious academic pursuits ... and I hope you recollect a PM I sent you a while back about my working experience in the world of football during the year I took off from school ... so don't sit there thinking you're the guy with the player's angle, talking to some armchair supporter who has no idea of "how it really is" ...

your counterpoint about Argentina misses the point made in my previous post:

1) after all, isn't it about what you remember? why concern yourself so much about what "history" will think?

the Argentinians are free to think whatever they want about 1978, just as the Uruguayans can think whatever they want about that handball in 2010, as is their respective prerogatives ...

we can all watch the entire 1978 World Cup from archive footage of full match broadcasts (quite accessible through the magic of the internet), and make our own minds up on the style (or lack thereof) of play ... we don't have to depend on the Argentinians providing an "accurate" portrayal of Argentina's triumphant tournament ...

the 70s are most famous for the Dutch team that DIDN'T win anything -- the team that revolutionized football through a philosophy, not just winning ... their story and their impact wasn't forgotten just coz they didn't end up picking up the cup -- boy was it not forgotten! yet here you are arguing that "anyone" would tell you that it's all about winning ... your argument/counterargument falls to crap on that point alone ... while your Cruyff "pollutes" line is laughably pitiful ... but what else did I expect from a philistine?

 

[Galaxyman]

The issue with Luis Suarez has long been debated, and I feel the matter has been closed.
There is a reason millions upon millions worldwide came to his defense vs. the obviously biased Ghanaian supporters.

...Suarez's move was 100% instinctual and understandable. Mario Kempes in 1978 said he didn't even realize he had done what he had done vs. Poland for seconds.
There was absolutely no corruption of the spirit of the game.

What WAS a corruption of the spirit of the game, was the Ghanaian player looking around and dropping to the floor 2 meters in front of Fucile to get a desperate free kick that led to the penalty.
After that, there were 2 clear offsides in the play. Not that the Ghanaians tried to tell the referee.

Funniest part for me was the image of the Ghanaians celebrating as if they had won the game , they really didn't mind the penalty then. What happens? Gyan misses, and suddenly the penalty was unfair.

The issue will always be clouded by bias, it all depends on who you wanted to win. Uruguay did, in maybe the most dramatic way in world cup history (fitting of their history). End of story.

I would be furious too if the tiniest of nations took even more glory than their ilustrious history demands, in such an epic/memorable way, ....with a chip shot none the less in the final penalty .

 

[Galaxyman]

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