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So, what about video-refereeing now?

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santino

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Re: So, what about video-refereeing now?

Originally posted by americangreg
Imagine we would have had video-refereeing at Euro 2004. At that moment, the referee could've just stopped the game for a minute or two, watch some video-replays, and afterwards make his decision. It works in the NHL (North American Ice Hockey League) and in the NFL (American Football league in the USA), so why not in soccer?
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the reason video-replay shouldn't be allowed is because just as u said in your post...it would AMERICANIZE the sport....that's what we don't want happening.....why not? if you hear carl fletcher's analysis on TSN......that's what North Americans do to soccer...they butcher the sport.......and the korea stuff......who really cares what happened 2 years ago? spain and italy had their chance at euro and blew it, and that was fair...so oh well tough luck........:kader:
 
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Goalie233

Youth Team
Re: Re: So, what about video-refereeing now?

Originally posted by santino
the reason video-replay shouldn't be allowed is because just as u said in your post...it would AMERICANIZE the sport....that's what we don't want happening.....why not? if you hear carl fletcher's analysis on TSN......that's what North Americans do to soccer...they butcher the sport.......and the korea stuff......who really cares what happened 2 years ago? spain and italy had their chance at euro and blew it, and that was fair...so oh well tough luck........:kader:
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It would "Americanize" the sport, and then you talk about a ******* Canadian television network's game announcer. What, are you ******* retarded?
 
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valioso

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NHL and NFL the game stops anyway.. in the nfl it stops after every play.. so it doesnt affect the flow..

videoref in soccer.. no.. never..
 
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Fogs

Club Supporter
There are natural stoppages in play in soccer as already pointed out. They could easily adjust the concept of replay to fit soccer matches (and so as not to "americanize" the sport... which makes no sense, but a different topic altogether). Limit the review of a goal to 2 minutes. It really shouldn't take any longer if you have cameras in the right places and celebrations last just as long and no one is calling to eliminate all expressions of joy from the sport. Cards and penalties outside the box wouldn't be reviewed, and probably not even in the box because they are judgment calls and always will be.

It is fine to argue that it is pure and traditional to take the good with the bad. It is a game created and played by humans not highly-accurate computers. However replays could prevent biased-refereeing on big calls, could it not?
 
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pitt

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there is no question the refeere has made the right decision...the other english player has attacked the keeper in the keeperzone and has avoided the keepers chance to fight for the ball..to attack keepers in the keeperzone who fight for the ball are not allowed...there are clear rules...

pitt
 
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Parra Power

Manager
Originally posted by santino
the reason video-replay shouldn't be allowed is because just as u said in your post...it would AMERICANIZE the sport....that's what we don't want happening.....why not? if you hear carl fletcher's analysis on TSN......that's what North Americans do to soccer...they butcher the sport.......and the korea stuff......who really cares what happened 2 years ago? spain and italy had their chance at euro and blew it, and that was fair...so oh well tough luck........:kader:
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americaniSe it ;)

the z is americanised ;)

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how about lets not have video referees :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Fogs
There are natural stoppages in play in soccer as already pointed out. They could easily adjust the concept of replay to fit soccer matches (and so as not to "americanize" the sport... which makes no sense, but a different topic altogether). Limit the review of a goal to 2 minutes. It really shouldn't take any longer if you have cameras in the right places and celebrations last just as long and no one is calling to eliminate all expressions of joy from the sport. Cards and penalties outside the box wouldn't be reviewed, and probably not even in the box because they are judgment calls and always will be.

It is fine to argue that it is pure and traditional to take the good with the bad. It is a game created and played by humans not highly-accurate computers. However replays could prevent biased-refereeing on big calls, could it not?
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yes, and we can wait two minutes for every offside, every shot on goal that hits the inside of the post, every tackle in the box......... while we'ere at it, maybe we may as well make stoppages to set up plays, and maybe allow them to pick up the ball and trow it forward so that guys can run to the other end and score a touchdown :rolleyes:

football is a flowing game, and everything is done to minimise stoppages. if you happened to know the rules, or even bother to read them, you would realise that offsides and fouls are "in the opinion of the referee" or "considered by the referee"..... therefore no matter what you think, the referee was right. and how exactly do you expect the referee to see this replay? he goes off the field and looks at it himself? or maybe a video referee..... but then where is the consistency in calls if thirty billion different people are making decisisons



look, i'm sorry that football isn't more similar to gridion, but unfortunately it is. it did not become the most popular game in the world by accident, and it certainly didnt become the top sport by immitating other sports. the fact is, referees and refereeing errors are part of the game. if you want everything to be flawless, we may as well make perfect robots play it (because they won't make bad challenges or stupid passbacks) and watch the perfect defences and goalkeepers hold out for amazingly boring 0-0 results :rolleyes:
 
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syaz_wan03

Senior Squad
my idea...the 4th referee should 'do some homewrok on the game' if there's controversial decision...

i remember at 2002WC when a manager...(italy i think)...angrily shout to the first & fourth ref...then he showed his hand to a small tv (on the 4th ref bench) to see what's happen actually...
 
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illafied

Youth Team
Originally posted by Parra Power
yes, and we can wait two minutes for every offside, every shot on goal that hits the inside of the post, every tackle in the box......... while we'ere at it, maybe we may as well make stoppages to set up plays, and maybe allow them to pick up the ball and trow it forward so that guys can run to the other end and score a touchdown :rolleyes:
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I don't think anyone that even brings up the idea of video replays suggest stopping EVERY call, foul, offsides,etc , like you're pointing out. Nobody is saying that at all. We all know that would kill the game. What most people are calling for are video refs for goals/disputed goals only, which happens what, three to five times a game on average? How is that going to slow down the game when it's pretty much stopped when the goal is allowed/disallowed anyways.

of course it probably won't happen anytime soon. the only thing that'll probably make people change their minds is during a world cup final when one country gets shafted because of a disallowed goal and fans go nuts and people die because of it.
 
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Parra Power

Manager
its stopped for 15 seconds of arguing and a freekick is taken........ five minutes to go and check whether or not it was a foul for those three to five times a game makes it immediately nearly half an hour longer.

modern world cups are pretty high security...... dunno if that will really happen too much

the most extravagent celebrations dont last as long as a video replay would

keep in mind that videos don't necessarily confirm everything. people still argue whether or not totti was hit or it was a dive, whether portugal's goalkeeper was impeded, whether or not the ball crossed the line in england v germany in 66, whether or not buffon's view was impeded in that one dissallowed goal in last year's champions league final, etc even after countless replays. we've got video replays here in rugby league and cricket and guess what.............. they make mistakes :o
 
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americangreg

Reserve Team
Of course they can still make mistakes. The fact is that referees will have a better opportinity to make a correct decision.

And talking about the flow of the game, isn't Ice Hockey a flowing game? They only use video-replays when needed there, and that's what should happen here with football. And indeed, it would be a good thing to put the 4th official behind a tv-screen, not the referee himself. Then, the 4th official could already watch the replay, and by the time the ref gets to the side of the pitch it should only take about 30secs/1minute more...

That wouldn't slow down the game in my opinion...
 
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acmilan101

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Originally posted by Grunger0x
No way. Luck is part of football, and wrong referee calls are too. It's part of the game.
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That is very true. Our sport would not be as fun to watch if there was no luck, that's what makes it interesting to watch and with video refereeing it would be less dramatic.

Refereeing a match is sort of like running a country, sometimes the leaders make mistakes (i.e. g.w.b) but you have to live with them and there's no turning back.

Besides, I don't think Campbell's goal should be allowed, from my view it looked like Terry was blocking Ricardo's path to the ball, but that's my opinion.

And I'm not English, maybe if I was I'd see it differently. But I'm also not Portuguese so I have a mutual outlook.
 
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illafied

Youth Team
Totti diving - very close and even after replays you're right, it'd be a judgment call.
WC66 - If they had as many cameras on goal then as they do now, like the camera from inside the net, it'd be easy to see if that was a goal or not. Replay would be useful in a situation like this.
Maradona's hand of god - probably wouldn't exist if there was a replay system.
Buffon's view vs Real Madrid in CL semis - i think that was more due to the interpretation of the passive/offside rule, which FIFA still hasn't made clear. Nothing to do with a replay system.
Sol Campbell's goal - even with replays it's a judgment call.

Having the fourth official watch a replay and communicate to the ref on the pitch surely wouldn't take five minutes.

Yeah mistakes are going to happen and whatever system they do have will take a while to perfect, but i do think it'd reduce alot of the controversy and blown calls significantly.
 
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panxoman

Senior Squad
very often we don't agree even watching it on tv.


I say NO to videoref. There are other easier things to improve before that.
 
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XJaymz

Youth Team
They should use a system similar to the NHL. It doesn't slow down the game at all.

It would only be used on goal scoring situations, and the play leading directly up to the goal, such as a long through ball to the striker who puts it in. Instead of the assistant raising his flag if it is very close, you just let play go on, and if ti goes in, check the replay.

In most games it would never be used. And in thsoe that it is, it would only come in 1 or 2 (maybe 3) times a game. And it would onyl be used once the ball is already in the goal, so it will have very little affect on the game.

Another thing I liked is what they do in south america sometimes, where the ref sprays a little line of powder on the field to mark the wall on free kicks. Actually saves time, because they don't sit there arguing about if the wall is too close.
 
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Lean

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Wow you people are still arguing. Football with video ref isnt football. Like i said, wrong referee calls are part of the game and that's what makes it so beautiful sometimes. What about we add timeouts and limited number of fouls? So we can transform football in NFL and NBA at the same time.

That would sincerely screw up the sport if you ask me. People still debate watching the video. If someone gets to a conclusion during the game, and someone still disagrees even after watching the video, what would we do? Decide it on coin toss?:crazyboy:
 
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