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Should I be Writing This After Only 3 Games Of FIFA07

MightyTic

Senior Squad
Should I be Writing This After Only 3 Games Of FIFA07

yes ...

1. Frame rate , ok we all know about it , but what are EA going to do about it ? why should it be down to the customer to mess about with Ini or other files to try and fix this problem, someone mentioned the port from Xbox to PC has caused EA problems ... Ok fine, fix it ... Don't leave it to customers to get a work around.

2. Could be tied to the FR problem but don't think so , players walking and running animation. Its terrible, no matter if its a slow player or a fast one or in between, as an example Messi Barca. His legs and arms go faster than the speed he runs at. And that is anohter thing, even with Sprint on these players look as though they are trying to run up and wind tunnel or running on wet tar. How long have EA been working on sports games , and the size of the company yet there walking and running animation in SOCCER is terrible..

3. Ball phsyics , still not 100%! Passes still seem to glide rather than rolls , ok before you jump down my throat , yes the ball does roll , but that doesn't mean that the passes still look as though they glide. Shots , far to powerful and fast moving. How long has been FIFA been going? must be over 10years and yet they can't seem to get ball physics right.

4. AI , Keepers ... Call keeper , I hold the buttom down to charge the keeper out to try and close down the forward, Ive seen Johnny Vegas move quicker (a UK joke) one tonight against my son, I bring the keeper out to the forward who is running in a straight line toward the middle of the goal , I Call keeper and he runs off the side , not at the forward. Not only that when you call the keeper he is slow to move. Same with your other players , midfield , my highlighted player, I press and hold Call defender to auto tackle or get close. He walks or I should say takes a few steps forwards then goes into a walk inch forward motion then starts to move well after you have pressed and held the button to bring him out to the cpu player on the ball..

With all of the above the game feels slugish , doesn't look good animation wise (Ive not even once mentioned the player graphics) and ball physics and player AI slow response, the game does not feel right ...

Now to game or player graphics, unless you have a high end PC then this game is never going to look good, even then I read one post where someone with 2 GF9500's in SLI seem frame rate glitches. Do graphics matter all that much, not to me, its ball physics ,AI gameplay, and player animation. But you do want the teams to look good and the players as real as possible to give the feel your playing as that team or player..

And I think this is where EA have let themselves down again, what is the point of spending all that time and effort into depth of field , motion blur , live stadiums and all the other plastic coating sunlight beaming through the rafters of the stands, when its the gameplay ball physics and player animation and AI that need to work. EA in trying to make your PC screen look like some hollywood movie of a game of Football (sorry Soccer) have missed a sitter in football terms with what should really matter first, the game of football.. Get that right then you can think of ways to add all these next gen lighting and shader graphics.

Take it back to basics , and get the game right before trying to glame up the rest.

oh.. my PC

P4 2Ghz
80Gb Seagate HD with at least 20GB of freesspace
1Gb DDR
GF6600GT

Best I can get Frame rate wise , to lessen the FR lag is 800x600 MED. With that there is still a problem with FR not as bad when I had it at a Higher Res MED. But even on 800x600 MED players running animation as above, sometime the old keystone cop/Benny Hill funny runs ...

Its a shame , but I fell for it ! Had not got a FIFA game since 2003 .. And won't be again unless EA get there act together and rebuild this game into a football game and forget the shader and lighting and fancy movie blurs and depth of field rubbish and get a game of football laid down first ..
 

The Don't

Starting XI
MightyTic said:
Should I be Writing This After Only 3 Games Of FIFA07

Ive seem Johnny Vegas move quicker (a UK joke)

That was already quite funny but then the "(a UK joke)" improved it furthermore.
 

deftonesmx17

Reserve Team
MightyTic said:
And I think this is where EA have let themselves down again, what is the point of spending all that time and effort into depth of field , motion blur , live stadiums and all the other plastic coating sunlight beaming through the rafters of the stands, when its the gameplay ball physics and player animation and AI that need to work. EA in trying to make your PC screen look like some hollywood movie of a game of Football (sorry Soccer) have missed a sitter in football terms with what should really matter first, the game of football.. Get that right then you can think of ways to add all these next gen lighting and shader graphics.
Errrrr........I'm not sure what game you are playing or the last FIFA you played, but its painfully obvious they spent time on the gameplay as the graphics and lighting are almost identical to last years game, as where the gameplay is drastically different. :rolleyes:
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
Well as you say , if they did spend more time :nape: on the gameplay and ball physics and the rest , then EA may as well give up now ! More than 10yrs down the line and the game still does not have the feel of a game of football.

I don't konw what Soccer they play in the US and Canada, but FIFA07 is nothing like football Ive seen in my 49 years ..

You read this forum and its all yes they have improved the ball physics , yet still reading this and many other forums, they still have not got Ball Physics right , step in the right direction they say , but not 100% ...

Step in the right direction , I was playing FIFA when it first came out ... and that was more than 10yrs ago ... more than 10 years down the road , and its a step in the right direction .. Not good enough !
 

1878

Club Supporter
I cant see why people buy games for PC when an xbox or ps2 is better and less complicated to set up
 

deftonesmx17

Reserve Team
MightyTic said:
Well as you say , if they did spend more time :nape: on the gameplay and ball physics and the rest , then EA may as well give up now ! More than 10yrs down the line and the game still does not have the feel of a game of football.

I don't konw what Soccer they play in the US and Canada, but FIFA07 is nothing like football Ive seen in my 49 years ..

You read this forum and its all yes they have improved the ball physics , yet still reading this and many other forums, they still have not got Ball Physics right , step in the right direction they say , but not 100% ...

Step in the right direction , I was playing FIFA when it first came out ... and that was more than 10yrs ago ... more than 10 years down the road , and its a step in the right direction .. Not good enough !
Let me guess, you are one of my fellow Pro Evo fans (yes I'm a pro evo fan) that does not have an open-mind. Well lets think about this, and I hope you do before you respond again. In PES, all the defense does on higher difficulties is press you faster, more aggressively, and with more people. This is not realistic and I don't want to hear about how it is. In current day football you don't see all defenders press all the time and for the whole game and never tire. Now don't get me wrong, when playing PES with another human its much better, but due to the smaller pitch size (again another unrealistic aspect) even humans press much more than needed because you are just so close anyways. This years FIFA 07 allows you to play more like proper football because defenders don't press, press, press, press, press and force you to play ping-pong (as thats what it feels like in PES as its just quick reaction and you need to get rid of it) and the field is a correct pitch size. You can slow the game down when you want, find players, make your pass, play with the ball, make another pass, play with the ball, do a nice move and get around a defender, shoot, and goal; like teams do in football.

I don't care to read/write any of the your opinion vs my opinion, so don't argue and draw this out, just talk to other people. :jap:
1878 said:
I cant see why people buy games for PC when an xbox or ps2 is better and less complicated to set up
Some people love their PC's and don't like consoles. Some people love their PC's and consoles. Some people don't like PC's and like their consoles. Some people don't like any of them. Was that enough answers to your question? :fool:
 

stevemac34

Youth Team
tic i i have said this a number of times on these forums im 37 played a very good standard of football in my time and i totaly agree with ya mate i still think konami should merge with fifa and well all be happy lol
 

trueBlue

Youth Team
I would have to agree, this series is running a hell of a long time now, and each year it seems there is very few improvements, i thought they made a pretty good game for the time in "Road to the World Cup" back in 1998, also i had great fun playing fifa 2003, i didn't like the players physics in fifa 2004 and basically stopped playing until the next edition where my faith was restored in Fifa 2005, although it still has its faults i have played solid since it came out, then we come to Fifa 06 and the WC editions, both games actually seem to lose that great gameplay that was in 2005, like a step in the wrong direction, for instance in 2005 you could make a great counter attack from defending a corner, up the field in a few passes then bang a goal, in 06 this wasn't so easy.

now it remains to be seen what this new version has in store, i was looking forward to playing again when i heard of the possibility to include your own created clubs and players, but only 2 clubs are availible to make.
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
deftonesmx17 said:
Let me guess, you are one of my fellow Pro Evo fans (yes I'm a pro evo fan) that does not have an open-mind. Well lets think about this, and I hope you do before you respond again. In PES, all the defense does on higher difficulties is press you faster, more aggressively, and with more people. This is not realistic and I don't want to hear about how it is. In current day football you don't see all defenders press all the time and for the whole game and never tire. Now don't get me wrong, when playing PES with another human its much better, but due to the smaller pitch size (again another unrealistic aspect) even humans press much more than needed because you are just so close anyways. This years FIFA 07 allows you to play more like proper football because defenders don't press, press, press, press, press and force you to play ping-pong (as thats what it feels like in PES as its just quick reaction and you need to get rid of it) and the field is a correct pitch size. You can slow the game down when you want, find players, make your pass, play with the ball, make another pass, play with the ball, do a nice move and get around a defender, shoot, and goal; like teams do in football.

I don't care to read/write any of the your opinion vs my opinion, so don't argue and draw this out, just talk to other people. :jap:

Some people love their PC's and don't like consoles. Some people love their PC's and consoles. Some people don't like PC's and like their consoles. Some people don't like any of them. Was that enough answers to your question? :fool:



Yes I play PES , but at 49 years of age I don't think I can be called a FANBOY. Yes PES has its flaws in the game play, but there is good gameplay in it ... I played FIFA from the start up to 2003 when PES came to the PC, now I could care less who is No1 Konami or EA , I will buy the best game that year.

This is no little kid wanting 1 up on EA/FIFA , I am a football fan wanting to play the best game, if its EAs FIFA then I will be on here or anywhere saying so ... But bottom line its not! I just played 3 league games there and I am mentally exhausted , I am pressing Sprint to chase after a cpu player and its like your player are running on sticky mud, the animation is there of the sprint the arms and legs are going, but trying to chase a cpu player or run for a lose ball has me mentally pushing my player along, because there runs are so slow.

Frame rate camera swing I can live with , the ball physics are not right, if you play pes you will know what I mean. Me saying FIFAs ball physics and speed isn't me trying to put down FIFA, its a fact of life. Again as a player of pes, shooting, in FIFA you press shoot and the feel is not right, that may be down to the ball physics and speed , but it seems to be a slight delay and its not as crisp as PES...

Now I know some on here is start oh pesfanboy and away and get a new PC because I don't see the things you are talking about. Good great if you don't but I do, and even if they fixed FR, the overall gameplay ball physics and speed is not on a par with PES.. You might not like that, but its the truth!

I would love nothing more than Konami and EA battling away each year, making my life hell on which one to buy or spend more and buy both! I would love that, both pushing each other, because in the end there would only be one winner , the gaming public...

For all the offical kits and leagues and commentary team and off game build up and cuts scenes, that EA have in FIFA over Konami , Konami have the better football game. Its lacks the kits and league and razzmataz of FIFA, but in the end , I don't care about which graphics or stadiums or commentay teams kits and the like, bottom line is gameplay gameplay gameplay. Anyway, modes turn out fantastic stadiums and kits ...

I would love nothing more than to have to games of the same gameplaying stardard.. But its not this year ...

If Pes in most gamer mag and website reviews is a 8 or 9 out of 10 game, FIFA07 for me is a 6 or 7.
 

deftonesmx17

Reserve Team
MightyTic said:
Yes I play PES , but at 49 years of age I don't think I can be called a FANBOY.
Did I ever call you a fanboy? Why the need to CAP something I never implied. And just some FYI and something to apply in the future, age has nothing to do with someone being close-minded/biased.........................and since you brought it up, neither does it make someone insusceptible of being a fanboy. ;)

Frame rate camera swing I can live with , the ball physics are not right, if you play pes you will know what I mean.
Yes I play PES and their ball physics are not right either.

Again as a player of pes, shooting, in FIFA you press shoot and the feel is not right, that may be down to the ball physics and speed , but it seems to be a slight delay and its not as crisp as PES...
You mean the game doesnt randomly just rocket the ball off your players foot many of the times when you barely touch the button like in PES...........
Now I know some on here is start oh pesfanboy and away and get a new PC because I don't see the things you are talking about. Good great if you don't but I do, and even if they fixed FR, the overall gameplay ball physics and speed is not on a par with PES.. You might not like that, but its the truth!
No, its not the truth, its your opinion (your truth) and I would expect a 49 year old to understand that.
If Pes in most gamer mag and website reviews is a 8 or 9 out of 10 game, FIFA07 for me is a 6 or 7.
A review is nothing but a persons opinion and if you think about it, most people who review said game tend to be fans of said game.........most will even right out say they are a fan of said game...............the word bias rings a bell.........
 

rikochet

Youth Team
Deftonesmx17: I don't know if you are really from mars or something, but you are my freaking Idol :jap: I totally agree with you :jambo:
 

gamerguy350

Reserve Team
But why would they be a fan of it in the first place if it wasn't good.

I started off with Backyard Soccer :) , then moved on to Fifa 99. Then I got every Fifa untill 2005, when I got Fifa 05 and PES4. PES blew me away. It's so much better than Fifa. The next year I got 06 and uninstalled it the day I got it, went back to PES4. Then I got PES5 and it was even better.

I'll still be buying 07 but I think I'll continue to play PES5 and 6 when it comes out.
 

Nomad

Club Supporter
I agree that neither PES or FIFA has gotten it 100% right.

Fifa has taken some steps this year to improving, but its not quite there. I agree with MightyTic on most of his qualms with the game. I actually think the ball does not move realistically and its too hard to dribble. I don't understand why there is no true trick stick. It's not like C. Ronaldo or Ronaldinho waits until the crowd is in it before they pull off a trick. I think EA and Konami needs to hire some people who approach the game as not a video game, but a simulation of real life. It seems games are trying to be more of an arcade game rather than a simulation. The biggest problem is that games are based on rules; there is no randomness to computers. Until EA or Konami figures out a way to create randomness (not in just scoring, but in how the computer reacts/plays), we'll be stuck with incremental changes for years to come.
 

dcsports93

Club Supporter
WOW, you guys are a bunch of fu@king babies, crying about how bad this is, or how bad that is, it's not like most you went out and spent your money on this game, i really think they did a good job improving it from last year, if you think you guys can do a better job, go apply for a postion at EA so you can stop your bitching and crying :boohoo: :boohoo:
 

rane

Club Supporter
I have a pretty high-end PC and I too have problems running Fifa 07 smoothly, which I really shouldnt be having. I'm quite astounded by the really bad graphics in the recent years Fifa games, even tho I have a high-end system that should really kickass. Think I'm having the same FR problems as MightyTic :(

In general I believe that EA Sports has had a really dull development team this year. The latest Tiger Woods 07 is also just a small update in a new package. While ball physics indeed is different in Fifa 07 than last year, its still nowhere near good.

And yes, its a discussion forum, we're allowed to say a game is bad. Dont say that you dont see Fifa-fans go crazy when a magazine gives the game a bad review :)
 


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