SG Draft 2016 - Group A

[yoyo913]

The top 2 teams advance from Group A. The 3rd placed team in Group A or B with the most votes advances.

Vote for the 2 teams you believe would finish at the top of this group. Please just vote for 2 teams. If you only vote for 1 or 3+ your votes will not count. Voting will close in 72 hours.

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Group A:

Dytza FC

Subs: Iker Casillas, David Luiz, Kurzawa, Gabi, Juan Mata, Yannick Carrasco, Kevin Gameiro.




Xaviesta FC

subs: Dele Alli, Pedro, Henderson, Fernando Torres, Sakho, Gabigol, Diego Alves




yoyo913 FC

Subs: Trapp, Eric Bailly, Nacho Monreal, Schneiderlin, Javier Pastore, Carlos Vela, James Vardy




Mandieta6 FC

Captain: De Rossi
Subs: Mandanda, Naldo, Clichy, Luiz Gustavo, Fernandinho, Cazorla, Jesus Navas

 

[Pogba4Now]

3rd Xaviesta

 

[Xaviesta]

Games played in 15/16

Javi Martinez 27
Robben 22

 

[Dytza]

That's already a classic from you. When you don't have any points to defend your team you start attacking the other teams.

Dude, as far as I remember nobody criticised you for picking De Rossi. Although if you're a dick and you're making a point about Xabi's age, I've got bad news for you: De Rossi just turned 33 this summer. Xabi's playing at a higher level too both as a league and in Europe.

It was all about who his partners are, and while Xabi and Javi have Khedira and Rakitic alongside them, two "workhorses", De Rossi has Kevin de Bruyne and Di Maria. De Rossi is absolutely fine, but I already expressed my points in the other thread on why I don't think that midfield would work.

On Javi Martinez's health: I thought It wasn't a problem since it's already been discussed that we're considering players as being fit and with the form they had before their injury. I personally don't have a problem with Robben, who btw played his last game in March. Also that coming from a guy who had Gundogan (with more than 1 year without a game at that time) in his team in a previous Draft smells like hipocrisy.

Also, how has the double pivot made us forget how 1-2 midfields work since the 2 midfields you criticised are 1-2?

 

[kp41]

Games played in 15/16

Javi Martinez 27
Robben 22

Ribery 22/Khedira 25 as well ... so shut the fuck up

I think draft should happen ... then fifa or whatever shit ... and voting at the end of the year. Yes, last year Robben is not good but he's top 5 if he stays fit. Regarding Di Maria discussion, it really depends to coach and system, Muller played in cm role when Pep adapted 4-1-4-1 in his first year ... I don't see why Di Maria can't fit there ... however, his defending was so disastrous at United ... I remember him giving so many unforced errors but it was his worst year ... who thought few years ago, that Lahm can play in midfield, Mascherano can play CB ...

 

[Dytza]

I haven't voted for yoyo because of my personal taste (or doubts) in some players (Oscar, Howedes, Hector). Never considered Oscar to be a world class player and I don't think his quality is worth of someone being a starter in a Draft team. I think there were some players more suited as a #10 picked in the sub rounds.

I didn't like the Matuidi - Pogba double-pivot in the Euros, but it worked and would probably work just fine because both have huge quality. Imo, Matuidi's perfect spot is the one he played at PSG as the LCM in a 3-man midfield. Just as a note, Emery hasn't started him yet in his double-pivot in the first 2 rounds (might have to do with his Juve transfer though).

 

[Xaviesta]

Mascherano has won 2 UCLs at CB. Lahm also has 3 years of playing consistently at CM. Di Maria has played a few months at CM and that's it.

When Muller played in midfield, he played with Vidal. Not KDB who plays as a winger/#10.

 

[kp41]

Mascherano has won 2 UCLs at CB. Lahm also has 3 years of playing consistently at CM. Di Maria has played a few months at CM and that's it.

When Muller played in midfield, he played with Vidal. Not KDB who plays as a winger/#10.

there was no vidal in Pep year 1 (4-1-4-1) ... you too are so uneducated ...

 

[Xaviesta]

Ribery 22/Khedira 25 as well ... so shut the fuck up

Did you see me criticising that? I've never said anything about picks like Robben Gundogan Kompany etc yet Mandieta6 makes a stupid comment about Javi's health when he has Robben in his team. And he also had Gundogan last year.

 

[Xaviesta]

there was no vidal in Pep year 1 (4-1-4-1) ... you too are so uneducated ...

Kroos Lahm Thiago

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I don't like the Matuidi/Pogba double pivot which I've talked about during the Euros and in the United thread. Likewise I'm not a huge fan of Hector and Howedes, which is why I didn't vote yoyo.

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[ShiftyPowers]

Kp is right. Often at Bayern is was Muller and Gotze ahead of Xabi, who is immobile and therefore suspect in my opinion at the highest levels as a holder. I've been saying this for at least a year and a half, maybe longer.

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[kp41]

It's not about fitness ... its about level ... Martinez was mostly injured in last 3 years and mostly played as sub/defender in matches he played ... big doubt over his quality ... on the other side, Robben was fantastic at world cup and following year ... he was good when he was fit last year, you can't question fit Robben quality ...

and I assume you were wrong about Muller because you didn't reply back.

 

[kp41]

Kroos Lahm Thiago

just saw this ... Thiago didn't play that many matches that year due injury

it was
Ribery-Kroos-Muller-Robben
Lahm(Shweini)

 

[Xaviesta]

Gotze Muller haven't played together in many games. And it wasn't successful either. Maybe against shitty teams in Bundesliga.

Oh, there was also Schewinsteiger.


Pep played 4-2-4 in the semis and Madrid trashed them. The same would happen against Mandieta6.

 

[Dytza]

Good, then I'm only speaking for myself and I personally don't see anything wrong in having De Rossi as a pivot.

 

[Xaviesta]

Kroos and Thiago are pure CM and Kroos has been used as a single pivot in 2 years at Madrid. And another big problem you have, none of Di Maria and KdB can controll the game. Di Maria was just chaotic and made runs with the ball to cross in the box.

Alonso may not be the best DM but I have Khedira and even Iniesta defends fine.




I'm starting to believe that none of you have actually watched much of Di Maria at Madrid. You just know that Ancelotti moved him at LCM and he was motm in the ucl final. So he must work in a midfield with the #10/winger De Bruyne

 

[Xaviesta]

Sabella tried to play with Di Maria at CM in a 4-3-1-2 but that was a big disaster and he ended up playing a 4-4-2 with Di Maria at RM. The same story at United. And at both teams he didn't play with KdB, he played with actual midfielders capable of defending.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Busquets holding for Iniesta and Xavi/Rakitic seems to have worked fine the last 8 years.

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[Pogba4Now]

Are you fucking kidding me? Iniesta, Xavi and Rakitic do WAY more defending than De Bruyne. You can't compare these players. De Bruyne is an attacking midfielder. Xavi, Iniesta and Rakitic play deeper and defend. They are central midfielders.