Schwarzenegger Stadium in Austria to be renamed

[Dream Team]

Spain - Zapatero got elected only because of the Madrid bombings. Aznar did a good job bringing them in the right direction economically.

Only a moron would say that.


I believe you are European so I guess that proves your point.

 

[Vagegast]

Examples of dumb Americans:

http://www.expatica.com/source/site...erlin+mayor+unaware+when+World+War+II+started
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2005/apr/24/yehey/opinion/20050424opi6.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/06/26/france.book/
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=13804_Nearly_Half_of_Britons_Unaware_of_Auschwitz

 

[panxoman]

Spain - Zapatero got elected only because of the Madrid bombings. Aznar did a good job bringing them in the right direction economically.

sorry but I can help to answer this.

economically it was ok, but the rest of things were a complete disgrace.

And Zapatero wasn't elected because of the bombimg but because of the goverment saying lies about who had put the bombs. Everything but economy was a complete manipulation ...

(by the way I didn't vote for Zapatero)

 

[panxoman]

And Americans are dumb? Pfff.












Bobby :Bow:

ah ah ah, you're right ....

 

[Shindig]

^^^^
Why flamming? I 100% agree.He has the possibility to free the condemned people from death penalty but he doesn't. With people like him in this world this nonsense will stay forever.

Right, so a man who killed 4 people and who was still active in gang culture doesn't deserve to be lethally injected?

 

[Dream Team]

Right, so a man who killed 4 people and who was still active in gang culture doesn't deserve to be lethally injected?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Williams

Anti-gang activism
After being released from solitary confinement, Williams gained world-wide attention and praise for his work in prison. He wrote several children's books advocating non-violence and alternatives to gangs, an autobiography Blue Rage, Black Redemption, public service announcements, and Redemption: The Stan Tookie Williams Story, a Hollywood movie which honored him. Reportedly, Williams' books have not enjoyed strong sales [22], though they may have been distributed as donations to schools, children's centers, and the like.

In 1997, Williams wrote and posted on his website an apology for his role in creating the Crips. In 2004, he helped broker a peace agreement, called the Tookie Protocol For Peace, for what had been one of the deadliest and most infamous gang wars in the country, between the Bloods and the Crips, in both the state of California and the city of Newark, New Jersey. On the nomination of William A. Harrison, a minister from West Monroe, Louisiana, Williams received a letter from U.S. President George W. Bush commending him for his social activism, one of some 267,000 "Call To Service Awards" that were sent out. [23]

Nobel Prize nominations
Williams was reportedly nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize every year from 2001 to 2005; nominations came from Mario Fehr, a member of the Swiss Parliament [24]; four times by Notre Dame de Namur University Philosophy and Religion Professor Phil Gasper [25]; William Keach, a Brown University Professor of English Literature, nominated Williams for the Nobel Prize in Literature. [26] The Nobel Committee does not publicly confirm the acceptance of nominations. Any college professor may nominate anyone for the Nobel Peace Prize, there being no specific qualifications screening.

 

[Bobby]

Hitler was nominated for a nobel prize. It's not as hard as people think.

 

[King]

Who ess yoo daddy, and what dos he do?

Pussylogist.



**** Europeans and Americans, people from Bangladesh are the smartest.

Natural Air Condition.

 

[Sevillista]

And Americans are dumb? Pfff.

Bobby :Bow:

Um, first of all those are probably more tourists than Spaniards. Secondly, very few Spaniards actually enjoy bullfights or anything of the sort; there's a small traditionalist following and the rest of the country pretty much hates it like the rest of us. Unfortunately, bullfighting is a stereotype of Spain that will never be kicked.

And if we're going to stick with your point, Americans are dumb because they go to Spain for the bullfights/running of the bulls.

 

[faceNside]

That's what I read in a history newspaper some time ago. Makes sense and explains his goods relations with the postwar goverment.

Different time but but not much better than arnold...

History newspaper... Maybe edited in Catalonya Don't want to justify him if true, but there's a big difference between decisions taken in war time and peace time, cause in war time your life and your family security is in game.

Oh and when will you forget about "Real Madrid was government team blah blah". At the end we weren't the ones who presented Franco a medal on our 75 anniversary.

 

[Hendrik]

Right, so a man who killed 4 people and who was still active in gang culture doesn't deserve to be lethally injected?

Who gives the state the right to kill a human being? That's an act of murder. Let him rot in jail for the rest of his life, period.

No one deserves that, not Tookie nor Saddam or bin Laden.

 

[Tiago_10]

Right, so a man who killed 4 people and who was still active in gang culture doesn't deserve to be lethally injected?

But he was in jail, how could he still be active in "gang culture" ?

And great philosophy there. What gives you the right to kill that guy who is already in jail and is going to stay there till the rest of his life ? Don't you think that's barbarian ? That happened many centuries ago and it's a shame that people like you still defend the death penalty. You may think you're pretty cool for thinking that way but you're just being such a poor human being as him, almost.
Also you don't seem to undestand it's worse for a prisioner to stay in jail till the rest of his days than to be executed. He gets the injection and that's it, it's over. Sure, it isn't a confortable feeling but it just takes some seconds till he dies. (Ok, you can include the hours before the execution) But what is that compared to years and years at prison. Cause, even though a murderer sometimes denies any guilty feelings he remembers what he did everyday.

I repulse what he did, anyone can see that's obviously wrong, but how can you condemn what he did, murdered another person, and then you want to do the same to him ? :fool:

 

[Sevillista]

I repulse what he did, anyone can see that's obviously wrong, but how can you condemn what he did, murdered another person, and then you want to do the same to him ? :fool:

It's not the same thing, just like putting a criminal in jail is different from a criminal kidnapping a kid and putting him in a cell.

Also, I don't understand how you guys can go from saying, "The death penalty isn't humane" to saying, "let his ass rot in a cell, it's worse." What point are you trying to make?

 

[Tiago_10]

It's almost the same thing you see, in both cases there is the intention to kill someone, and then do it.

My point is very clear. A murderer must pay for what he did somehow, and I don't think anyone has the right to sentence someone to a death penalty. So he goes to jail, where he is no longer a threat to society. In my opinion, in a way that maybe worse for him in a long term, he can suffer from that. However, it is not as barbarian as it is to kill the guy. There is the possibility of that person to regret what he did, and try to make up for it. I know it's never possible, but they can try to do something positive, by working inside the prison.

The really question, however, is do you think it's fair to kill someone because that person killed someone ? Can't you see the irony on that by itself ?

 

[Punkt]

Tiago i understand your point of view and i could agree with it in the majority of the cases but in certain and very rare circustances i agree with the death penalty. for example the "Diana" case in Algarve. what deserves that mother after what he did to his own daughter? it's fair to kill her? YES! she don't deserve to live in our society, even jailed. but i repeat, only in this barbaric cases. the maximum penalty be 25 years in jail in Portugal is a joke.

 

[Vagegast]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Williams

From that same page.

While in prison, Williams maintained his innocence, refused to aid police investigations with any information against his gang, and was involved in attacks on guards and other inmates as well as multiple escape plots.

 

[yim87]

History newspaper... Maybe edited in Catalonya Don't want to justify him if true, but there's a big difference between decisions taken in war time and peace time, cause in war time your life and your family security is in game.

Oh and when will you forget about "Real Madrid was government team blah blah". At the end we weren't the ones who presented Franco a medal on our 75 anniversary.

santiago bernabeu was a fascist.

It’s more complicated than that, of course, and isn’t entirely divorced from history. Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that bigotry should crop up in a stadium named after a fascist. Santiago Bernabeu barely escaped Madrid with his life when the Civil War broke out, because of his fascist sympathies. He had the last laugh by joining up with Franco’s rebel forces and helping with the conquest of Catalunya. After the war, when he was appointed president of Real Madrid, Bernabeu gave the contract for the construction of the stadium that bears his name to the Huarte company, who had built the staggeringly oppressive monument to the fascist war dead, the Valle De Los Caidos.

Little wonder then that the Bernabeu stadium is seen as a monument to the Franco junta. Not just by the enemies of fascism, but by those nostalgic sorts who decry Spain’s present status as a liberal democracy with a left-wing government and a solid commitment to European unity.

Those attitudes, not necessarily insignificant numerically, are an embarrassment to the modern club. Throughout the 1950s and 1960s Real Madrid was pretty much the only internationally successful cultural expression of a politically isolated and backward Spain. As Fernando Maria De Castiella, foreign minister under Franco, said: "Real Madrid is a style of sportsmanship. It is the best embassy we have ever had."

http://sport.scotsman.com/football_international.cfm?id=1332572004

 

[Tiago_10]

Whatever, it's useless to go on and on about this. Your either for or against, don't think anything that's said is gonna change that. This discussion already hasn't got anything to do with football anyway.

Oh and Punkt, I agree with you, the limit of 25 years in Portugal is a joke in some cases. Don't know why we don't have perpetual (sp?) sentences.

 

[yagami]

in my moral opinion , i am against death penalty.

but , i do give the point of in the long run , death penalty contributes to a better sociaty.

prisons are always full , prisioners escape... etc

also , if you are going to do some crime , if someone has the possibility of a death penalty , maybe that someone would think twice , and not do the crime.

its this mentality i can kill , steal , rape , bribe and only get 6 months of jail that is wrong.

 

[panxoman]

I'm reading the news of a man who was in prision, got a weekend off, and killed his wife. She just came to see a show with her 3 and 5 old yers kids.

This man will go to prision and will stay there for 20 years as that's the maximun that someone can be in prision here. She's dead and the kids will have to grow without her mother... I thinks he deserves death penalty.

It's not fair to let him live in a prision. He won't rot there. He won't have the freedon to go wherever he wants to, but he will have some social activities to try to turn him into a "good person". In 20 years when he's free, some organisation will try to get him a job or a salary from the goverment.

I heard a judge explainig that a homeless asked her to get him in prision so he would have a roof and hot meal. She said it wasn't possible because he hadn't done anything bad, and he answered do I have to kill someone then? That's the irony. Sometimes, our society seems to be more worried to help those who has commited crimes that those who maybe haven't been lucky enough to keep their business runnig or their family together before becoming homeless.

Back to the point,I totally agree with Yagami. I don't think death penalty is a solution, but in some cases, is the one that would mean less cost and risk for the rest of the society.

The problem is how you separate the ones who deserve it from the ones who don't. But those who is proved that they have... it's better to eliminate the danger of having them doing it again.