Real Madrid Thread [2007-2008]

[banok]

Real Madrid - Real Mallorca goals

http://www.videoplayer.hu/videos/play/109599​

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Robinho.....no need to say more. I guess he still remembers my post. What a performance. We squeaked by again. All in all good match considering Mallorca always busts our balls. I agree with Metz and Pepe in the middle. Cannavaro looks bored and not enthused anymore. Marcelo, although he didn't have one of his best defensive outings looked very promising in attack and is growing as a player quite nicely. Him and Robinho on that side is a dangerous duo that I would like to see collaborate more often. Heinze is very solid, Gago is gaining confidance every game he playsm Ruud, nuf said, Raul, still the fighter, etc, etc... We have a ways to go to get to be our best but slowly but surely we're getting there. Robinho will be the one to lead the way. You can see his determination and hunger in his eyes. I think he's becoming the player I wanted him to be and then some.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

IMO Metz has looked more solid than Heinze has and he is also better in the air which helps out against teams that use the long ball like Mallorca did today. I think right now our weakest CB is Cannavaro. Also I would not mind a backline of

Ramos--Pepe--Metz--Marcelo

Marcelo has been pretty good at defending thus far, apart from this game of course but it seemed like the whole defence was not set up right today so I won't play too much importance on his weak defense today.

I agree Soc. Marcelo can be forgiven today. It's impossible to play every game perfectly. The important thing is that he;s playing and learning and he is doing well to say the least. I agree with the defenders. That's our best lineup there.

 

[KingPaulV]

Hey guys so I was surfing around kind of bored since I dont work tomorrow, and I found this video, if this doesnt bring tears to your eyes, then you are not a true Madridista!...hehe, ENJOY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxuPu0mV14

 

[Jaouadinho]

Great game yesterday.

Gago was great one of his best games i really liked him he contrebuted to the atack and defense he still has a lot to learn but he is getting there. Robinho was the robinho we wrere all hoping to see great goals and a fantastic assist. he was unlucky not to get his hatrick. raul was awsome as usual good goal and he ran hes heart out the whole match, and iam really liking his partenership with van nistelrooy.

glad to see Pepe back he was a beast in the second half, looks worth the 30 mill.

But i hope thats the last game we see of hienze in the middle of the defence, the guy was herrendeus.

he let his marker goal and mallorca had a free header on goal that they should of scored, again he let his marker go and mallorca hit the bar. i blame him the first malorca goal and marcelo. the guy is a left back, i didnt understand why he didnt start with metz in the middle with cannavaro

but things should improve at the back with ramos and pepe coming back.

maybe iam bieng too harsh on him, because no one played well at the back.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

YEs, Gago has been improving at a nice pace as has Marcelo, Robinho, Raul seems to be in good form again as well. HE busts his @ss every minute on the pitch and is the reason why he is "untouchable". Many people see it differently, but he earns his spot imo. He is the epitamy of work ethic and never giving up and sweating the shirt for 90 minutes. That's why we all love him. I can't say enough about Robinho, really. The guy is on fire. He must be given carte blanche for the remainder of his days with us. His true strength only comes out when he has no borders and is allowed to run riot and create, anywhere, any part of the pitch. Thanks for the youtube link. Great stuff. I will never forget last season. Talk about team spirit, never giveup attitude and fighting till the last minute! Last year was a very very memorable and historic season for those reasons. One of the best in my time as a Madridista which is about 24 years.

 

[KingPaulV]

I know wasnt that video just chilling to the bone!, awesome stuff, hopefully thought this year we can be celebrating La liga with at least two or three games left, y la decima also!


about Robihno and Gago...

I believe in one of the most accurate commentaries I heard on Robihno, the guy mentioned that Robihno is the type of footballer who needs to get treated right, like royalty, he needs to be the protagonist, the main guy and when that happens then nobody can stop the guy. Right now, (as it happened in Copa America) Schuster has told him "You are the IT guy; the team goes thru you" and look how he has been responding; The tons of potential that Robihno has are unlimited; However as with many Brazilians we need to watch for the on and off, attitude of character that he may have, so that when the off time comes he doesnt get overly critisized....Either way, I love how he is playing, he is the reference point; like some years ago they used to call us Raul Madrid, now we could very easily Turn into the Robihno Madrid...hehe

Gago; the guy is improving with every game, and so is marcelo, but I still dont like Marcelo's defending, is very lax and suspect, and I can attribute that to youth, if we take care of him and handle him properly he should also be great for us...

I have a bigger question for you guys:

What about the signings? Do you guys realize that most of our success is coming from the guys that have always been there or Capello's team as some people say; Cause to be honest, apart from Pepe (who was phenomenal yesterday IMO) I dont see where the money went. I dont know what is wrong with Wesley except that I think he is playing out of position and cannot find his place in this system....Saviola doesnt have a place with an in-form Raul as it has been all year. Drenthe was too young IMO he was unproven and we are paying that price; and Robben, well he is made out of glass, 36 mill down the drain, another Woodgate....Heinze and Pepe the two defenders are the only ones that I see production out of as it was expected

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

I know wasnt that video just chilling to the bone!, awesome stuff, hopefully thought this year we can be celebrating La liga with at least two or three games left, y la decima also!


about Robihno and Gago...

I believe in one of the most accurate commentaries I heard on Robihno, the guy mentioned that Robihno is the type of footballer who needs to get treated right, like royalty, he needs to be the protagonist, the main guy and when that happens then nobody can stop the guy. Right now, (as it happened in Copa America) Schuster has told him "You are the IT guy; the team goes thru you" and look how he has been responding; The tons of potential that Robihno has are unlimited; However as with many Brazilians we need to watch for the on and off, attitude of character that he may have, so that when the off time comes he doesnt get overly critisized....Either way, I love how he is playing, he is the reference point; like some years ago they used to call us Raul Madrid, now we could very easily Turn into the Robihno Madrid...hehe

Gago; the guy is improving with every game, and so is marcelo, but I still dont like Marcelo's defending, is very lax and suspect, and I can attribute that to youth, if we take care of him and handle him properly he should also be great for us...

I have a bigger question for you guys:

What about the signings? Do you guys realize that most of our success is coming from the guys that have always been there or Capello's team as some people say; Cause to be honest, apart from Pepe (who was phenomenal yesterday IMO) I dont see where the money went. I dont know what is wrong with Wesley except that I think he is playing out of position and cannot find his place in this system....Saviola doesnt have a place with an in-form Raul as it has been all year. Drenthe was too young IMO he was unproven and we are paying that price; and Robben, well he is made out of glass, 36 mill down the drain, another Woodgate....Heinze and Pepe the two defenders are the only ones that I see production out of as it was expected

Arjen and Royston = big waste of money. One will spend at least 50% of his remaining career injured and the other is totally unproven and has nothing to back up his price tag. Sneijder is having a bad run now but I feel he'll bounce back. Heinze, Pepe (although we severely overpaid for him), Metzelder were the best buys. So far the worse buys ae Arjen and Saviola. One is always injured and the other will never see playing time, as usual. At least Roston is young, I guess, for whatever that's worth.

 

[Socrates]

Good question but don't forgot that Capello's buy are in their second season with us now so that gives them an automatic advantage.

Wesley - I liked how he played last game and more so I really like the player. I think the problem has been that we have played him on the wing too much, he needs to be more centeral to be most effective otherwise he is a great player. He had a bad run of games but at the same time he is still getting use to Madrid so with time I think he will be great for us.

Drenthe - Damn, am I the only one happy to have this guy? Sure he is young and inexperienced but I think he has a great future here. I don't know man, there is just something about him that makes me really like him. Lets not forget that ( like Marcelo ) this guy can blow up at any time and than we can really reap the rewards.

Robben - I was iffy with his transfer and now he is injured so that pretty much sums him up. Otherwise he is a great player, just so damn injury prone.

Saviola - We got him for free so we can't complain much and he is a very good backup to have. Last game Ruud and Raul were huffing and puffing as if their lungs were about to give out. Time for Saviola to get an extended run in the first team.

Metz - Has looked like our best CB ( bar Pepe who in his little time has impressed me very much ) so far and was for free.

Pepe - It's too bad that he got that injury very early on because he has looked like a very good player thus far. Orgullo, you might think his pricetag is high right now but in a few years we might be posting that he was worth every penny of his transfer ala Ramos who also cost a lot but now who gives a **** becuase he was well worth it.

Heinze - It's nice to have him in the team, can play LB and CB but at times he scares the **** out of me because for some reason it just seems like he is very close to either getting sent off or called for a penalty.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

I hope Pepe will be worth his price. I really don't get why you rate Royston! Perhaps cause he looks like Edgar Davids? I don't know. He's already getting p!ssed off cause he has to ride the bench and he hasn't even been here for 3 months! I hope he's not another premadonna. To me, he has everything to prove. He should sit and be quiet and try to learn from the others and work hard. On Saviola, I forgot we got him on the free. You are right, good to have him waiting around just in case Ruud, Raul get injured, die or get redcarded, etc. Right on bout Wesley, he's class. The last thing he needs is being critisized to death. Pepe and Metz make the best pair in the middle. Heinze, solid buy! Robben? Silly buy. When fit, he's explosive, dominates the ball and takes it to people with determination, and dives a bit too Unfortunately, I very much doubt he can remain healthy for more than a month at a time, and we're not even talking about getting rythym, absorbing the chemistry and adjusting to everything! I give our purchases this season, so far a 3.25/5

 

[KingPaulV]

I hope Pepe will be worth his price. I really don't get why you rate Royston! Perhaps cause he looks like Edgar Davids? I don't know. He's already getting p!ssed off cause he has to ride the bench and he hasn't even been here for 3 months! I hope he's not another premadonna. To me, he has everything to prove. He should sit and be quiet and try to learn from the others and work hard. On Saviola, I forgot we got him on the free. You are right, good to have him waiting around just in case Ruud, Raul get injured, die or get redcarded, etc. Right on bout Wesley, he's class. The last thing he needs is being critisized to death. Pepe and Metz make the best pair in the middle. Heinze, solid buy! Robben? Silly buy. When fit, he's explosive, dominates the ball and takes it to people with determination, and dives a bit too Unfortunately, I very much doubt he can remain healthy for more than a month at a time, and we're not even talking about getting rythym, absorbing the chemistry and adjusting to everything! I give our purchases this season, so far a 3.25/5

I agree with that score, only thing I differ with you guys is that althought I love both Metzelder and Heinze, I would rate Heinze a little higher, he's just a blue collar players, very hard working, and a wise old dog there, in the defense...If we can cut out all the silly marking mistakes we are making in the back we can be solid, IMO our biggest backline problem is we are allowing too many shots in front of goal, by not closing down rebounds; We are doing a horrible job of marking set pieces/Corners; We give our backs to overlapping runs, way too easily....

Metz has had serious lapses at times with his Marking giving his back away and such, and althought Heinze seems a little crazy at times, he is wise, knows where to clear and has regained some of the form that had made him when he first got to Man U one of the best Defenders in the world....overall both are great buys!

 

[Deisler]

The only issues Metze had were physical ones. The guy gets hurt a lot. Other than that i think is one of the best CB in the world. He also seems to love playing in Madrid. Canavarro is also world class. I don't think it is wise to discount him already. Heinze is better of if he plays as a winger imo. Pep should be kept as an option. Injuries do happen.

 

[Moreira_Benfica]

how did pepe play

 

[KingPaulV]

how did pepe play

outstanding, left a real good feel on the pitch for me!

 

[Socrates]

I agree with that score, only thing I differ with you guys is that althought I love both Metzelder and Heinze, I would rate Heinze a little higher, he's just a blue collar players, very hard working, and a wise old dog there, in the defense...If we can cut out all the silly marking mistakes we are making in the back we can be solid, IMO our biggest backline problem is we are allowing too many shots in front of goal, by not closing down rebounds; We are doing a horrible job of marking set pieces/Corners; We give our backs to overlapping runs, way too easily....

Metz has had serious lapses at times with his Marking giving his back away and such, and althought Heinze seems a little crazy at times, he is wise, knows where to clear and has regained some of the form that had made him when he first got to Man U one of the best Defenders in the world....overall both are great buys!

I don't know, so far I perfer Heinze on the left rather than the CB, he also seems to be a thug at times so that can hurt us bad especally in CB position where it's easy to give away a PK or a very deadly FK aswell as getting red carded. I also think part of the reason for our bad marking on the corners/set pieces in the Mallorca game was that niether Cannavaro or Heinze can dominate in the air while both Pepe and Metz does that ( he won every header vs El Moro who is a very good target man that wins a lot of headers ), Ramos also would have been useful but we could not use him. Against Mallorca we only had Diarra and Ruud who could really win the headers. Even with that Mallorca scored on 2 defence errors and a golazo so take that for what it's worth.

Indeed both are very good players but for me Metz seems like a more solid bet, I have so far not seen these lapses he has had in defence and he seems to be able to really dominate for us so far. Either way it's nice that we have both of them because already we have had some bad injuries in defence for us so it's good cover to have. I also want to mention that Metz has really suprised me, I thought he would be the weakest CB but he is truning out to be one of the best actually.

Deisler - Have you seen Canna play for us? He has been the weakest defender thus far and is only getting older. Right now for me at least, everyone is ahead of him in the pecking order of CB's that we have.

Moreira_Benfica - Like Paul said, he is was great. Hopefully he does just as well for you guys.

 

[Jaouadinho]

I don't know, so far I perfer Heinze on the left rather than the CB, he also seems to be a thug at times so that can hurt us bad especally in CB position where it's easy to give away a PK or a very deadly FK aswell as getting red carded. I also think part of the reason for our bad marking on the corners/set pieces in the Mallorca game was that niether Cannavaro or Heinze can dominate in the air while both Pepe and Metz does that ( he won every header vs El Moro who is a very good target man that wins a lot of headers ), Ramos also would have been useful but we could not use him. Against Mallorca we only had Diarra and Ruud who could really win the headers. Even with that Mallorca scored on 2 defence errors and a golazo so take that for what it's worth.

Indeed both are very good players but for me Metz seems like a more solid bet, I have so far not seen these lapses he has had in defence and he seems to be able to really dominate for us so far. Either way it's nice that we have both of them because already we have had some bad injuries in defence for us so it's good cover to have. I also want to mention that Metz has really suprised me, I thought he would be the weakest CB but he is truning out to be one of the best actually.

Deisler - Have you seen Canna play for us? He has been the weakest defender thus far and is only getting older. Right now for me at least, everyone is ahead of him in the pecking order of CB's that we have.

Moreira_Benfica - Like Paul said, he is was great. Hopefully he does just as well for you guys.

i disagree with u on cannavaro. he has been the only centre back that has bee consistent so far this season for us.

he does make some mistakes but they arnt vey big ones.

he has played this season with 4 diffrent diffenders. its not easy playing with a diffrent centre back each week.

look at vidic and ferdinand for man u, they have been the there most consistent pairfor the last year and they havent and it has paid off big time.

in the centre back positions you need consistency. thats the only place in the team where u cant rotate, unless u have to.

i think the best pair we have is cannavaro and pepe. if we they get a few games together then they will be perfect.

here is why.
Pepe is the biggest which means he will help out cannavaro on set peices and long balls. cannavaro likes to chase the ball a bit more trying to make tackles. while pepe always stays in his posititon and mops up. cannavaro is a great leader and he is the one who leads the back line. telling every who to mark when to step up for the offside trap etc.

i do rate metzelder and ramos very hihgly but i would prefer pepe and cannavaro to both of them.

matz isnt that convinsing he is a good sub to have. and ramos still has a lot to learn and he is more usefull to us at right back.

 

[justhammy]

i do rate metzelder and ramos very hihgly but i would prefer pepe and cannavaro to both of them.

matz isnt that convinsing he is a good sub to have. and ramos still has a lot to learn and he is more usefull to us at right back.

If Ramos has a lot to learn, then we have in potential the best defender of all time in our squad. lol. I think that Ramos is as good as a CB as a RB. He is atm better than all our defenders, no doubt. He wins every header, he is freakin fast, he has the best sliding tackle in the country and has a very good shot/cross. And dont let me begin on his technique, if you look at the kid you would think he is an attacker. he posseses fantastic technique. I remember him doing step overs, zidane spins etc. His ball control is perfect. In short, we would miss Ramos more than any player in the back line.

No bad words about those other players btw. Pepe is a superb player. Metze is very stable, he doesnt make many mistakes. Cannavaro has experience and is a true leader. Heinze can set up the defense like no one else. Marcelo is a gem. Same goes for Torres. So as you can read, I'm a very happy guy. Obvious if you have those names at the back

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

If Ramos has a lot to learn, then we have in potential the best defender of all time in our squad. lol. I think that Ramos is as good as a CB as a RB. He is atm better than all our defenders, no doubt. He wins every header, he is freakin fast, he has the best sliding tackle in the country and has a very good shot/cross. And dont let me begin on his technique, if you look at the kid you would think he is an attacker. he posseses fantastic technique. I remember him doing step overs, zidane spins etc. His ball control is perfect. In short, we would miss Ramos more than any player in the back line.

No bad words about those other players btw. Pepe is a superb player. Metze is very stable, he doesnt make many mistakes. Cannavaro has experience and is a true leader. Heinze can set up the defense like no one else. Marcelo is a gem. Same goes for Torres. So as you can read, I'm a very happy guy. Obvious if you have those names at the back

Ramos is the best RB in the world.

 

[Jaouadinho]

If Ramos has a lot to learn, then we have in potential the best defender of all time in our squad. lol. I think that Ramos is as good as a CB as a RB. He is atm better than all our defenders, no doubt. He wins every header, he is freakin fast, he has the best sliding tackle in the country and has a very good shot/cross. And dont let me begin on his technique, if you look at the kid you would think he is an attacker. he posseses fantastic technique. I remember him doing step overs, zidane spins etc. His ball control is perfect. In short, we would miss Ramos more than any player in the back line.

No bad words about those other players btw. Pepe is a superb player. Metze is very stable, he doesnt make many mistakes. Cannavaro has experience and is a true leader. Heinze can set up the defense like no one else. Marcelo is a gem. Same goes for Torres. So as you can read, I'm a very happy guy. Obvious if you have those names at the back

i wasnt saying he is isnt good ofcorse he is good one of the best in the world probably. but he still needs a bit more experience i.e positioning and the rest of it.

but if i had to choose hes best position i would RB at the moment because of (as u mentioned) his skills, technique etc.

at the moment we really dont have a better right back. there is torres but he isnt as good as ramos going forward.

when we get a new right back and cannavaro retires or leaves then i would switch him over to CB.

just my opinion ofcorse.

 

[KingPaulV]

No I would leave ramos at RB I think he is the best RB in the world at the moment, and on the flank he brings a new dimension to our attack which he doesnt coming out of the middles, I would like to see Sergio play someday as a DM something like Gago or Diarrah, maybe if were able to put a natural RB there and then maybe play Ramos and Gago, I think we would be lethal....He has a lot of offensive inclination on him anyway, so it would be great i think

He does make mistakes at times when making runs, because he leaves a lot of open space, that is something that can be fixed with experience like you said....


Btw, I got a couple news,

One, is that Robben could be on the list for the Murcia match he is almost fully recovered, and two is that Quaresma is reported to have said that he wants to play in madrid next year...I think our team now is good, enough, but addiding Quaresme could free up Robihno on the left and him and Robben could take turns there, I dont really like Robihno out of the rigth I think he is most effective on the left