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Real Konami News: It Aint Good

Paco de Lucia

Youth Team
I'm only posting this because it may lend some context to discussions about our beloved WE and its future outside of Japan. It comes from Bloomberg in Asia and has been edited down:


Tokyo, May 22 (Bloomberg) -- Nintendo Co. and Konami Corp., two of Japan's largest makers of home video-game software, reported a decline in earnings last year, reflecting stiffer competition and a shrinking audience of game players...

...Konami's game sales aren't faring well. Sales at Konami's game software operations last fiscal year fell 2.9 percent to 87.5 billion yen even as the company's overall sales rose 12.4 percent to 253.6 billion yen...

...U.S.-based gamemakers such as Electronic Arts Inc., the maker of ``Medal of Honor'' and simulation game ``The Sims,'' are also attracting Japanese game players...

``Foreign game developers, especially Electronic Arts, are gaining more market share,'' Konami director Toshiro Tateno told reporters in Tokyo. ``Japanese game developers used to have a big market share; such good days can't be guaranteed any more.''

In Konami's case, the company blamed the decline in game sales to the performance of big budget games with higher prices such as ``Metal Gear Solid 2,'' which it said didn't sell as well as expected...

This year, Konami expects the decline in game sales to continue, eating into operating profit at the business. Konami expects game software sales to fall to 83 billion yen from 87.5 billion yen last fiscal year and operating profit is expected to decline to 12.8 billion yen from 13.9 billion yen...

...Konami's shares have plunged 37 percent since the beginning of the year, more than 10 times the decline by the Topix index of all companies listed on the first section of the Tokyo Stock Exchange...

...``Game software developers must pay more attention to the overseas market,'' said Takashi Oka, an analyst with UFJ Tsubasa Securities Co. ``In order to recoup increasingly high game development costs, they must do well outside Japan.''
 

valioso

Fan Favourite
maybe they could try making good games... there is not a decline in gamers... is just more and more we get 10 crap games for every decent title out there
 

mathewsss

Youth Team
Re: Real Konami News: It Aint Good

Originally posted by Paco de Lucia
...``Game software developers must pay more attention to the overseas market,'' said Takashi Oka, an analyst with UFJ Tsubasa Securities Co. ``In order to recoup increasingly high game development costs, they must do well outside Japan.''

First thing they can do is add licenses and real leagues in addition to the Master-League for WE/PES.
That will blow away all the other competition (FIFA/TIF/WTS/..)
The gameplay is always evolving anyway between yearly releases.
 

Paco de Lucia

Youth Team
Originally posted by valioso
maybe they could try making good games... there is not a decline in gamers... is just more and more we get 10 crap games for every decent title out there

That's the point, there is no supposed decline in gamers. Hell, more and more older people are getting into gaming. It's a $9 billion industry in the U.S. -- it's just that more and more of that is going to fewer companies.

I respect Konami. I don't love EA but I also don't automatically hate them. I want there to be fierce competition so each WE title is more and more kick-ass -- if it survives.

But from what I see, combined with this latest business news, my long-term outlook for WE is not great.

Check out my last post in Konami's Dirty Little Secret for more ramblings about why Konami are getting their asses wupped despite having the best sports title on the market.
 

blue78

Club Supporter
An Analyst did say that Konami should market to foreign markets,at least better than they are doing currently,so that could mean thier WE(PES) series will probably released in N.A. even if sales are not as spectacular as other Konami titles.

BTW Paco,nic spoof yeasterdy U got me.:crazyboy:
 

Gelohk

Club Supporter
I agree with valioso... for every good title like WE6/7, there are 100 titles like Superman 64 (virtual kryptonite) and FIFA 2001. Even Konami releases ****y games.
 

culo

Youth Team
It could be a blessing in disguise if they decide to take more notice of overseas markets. Let's face it, they don't exactly push the boat out when it comes to promoting PES/WE in Europe, US or anywhere else outside of Asia.

And yes, Konami certainly do make some really bad games. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, WE/PES is about the only good one.
 

jumbo

Starting XI
As far as I'm concerned... lets see:

WE/PES
Zone of Enders
Metal Gear Solid series - you can't say shlt about MGS
Silent Hill series - you can't say shlt about SH
Castlevania - you can't say shlt about C series
Dance Dance Revolution - can't touch DDR

;)

Konami Rulez
 

valioso

Fan Favourite
lets see.. there hasnt been a castlevania in years... mgs2 wasnt all that great, zone of the enders 1 wasnt all that good either, I hate DDR, WE/PES they lose half the market they would make if they release the game at the same time everywhere because of people with mod ps2's that play imports... and this are not the only games that Konami makes.. you also have to realize that MGS2 is a huge developing team, and took how many years to develop? MGS1 came out for psx... MGS2 came out for ps2 like 2-3 yrs later, that means that you have to pay a huge grioup of individuals for 3 years just to make 1 game, and if it doesnt sell as much because of whatever reason then u lose money on the title..

Konami doesnt know how to market their games, they dont seem to have a clear business plan, specially for WE, releasing so many games a year... 3 or 4 in japan... and then we have to wait for 1 yr and a half before the game comes to NA, and they give us the same game that came out in europe 7 months before with no changes at all, so all the people that already imported the game already had it, so they are not going to buy it again
 

jumbo

Starting XI
That's just the way it is. Jap games come out in Jap first, then after a couple of months, they release'em in Europe/America.

Haven't heard of a single game being released sim in Jap/USA/Europe. It just doesn't happen. I don't think KONAMI can change that, we can't change that... :(
 

jumbo

Starting XI
*Note to Mod*

Yellow Card - 27/06/03 [Abuse]

You a pre-cog? :)

Anyways, i don't think i was as abusive as, lets say, Richard Cranium. I made only one abusive post in that WE7 Video thread... not only that... me and Cranium were just playin... we're good buds.

Sorry for that incident.
 

valioso

Fan Favourite
Originally posted by jumbo
That's just the way it is. Jap games come out in Jap first, then after a couple of months, they release'em in Europe/America.

Haven't heard of a single game being released sim in Jap/USA/Europe. It just doesn't happen. I don't think KONAMI can change that, we can't change that... :(

I understand that delay for MGS, or Silent Hill.. because face it I dont want to go thru the game without knowing what the **** am I supposed to be doing or without understanding the story... but translating a football game is not as hard... example.. EA.. they release Fifa worldwide.. the difference in time is just the time it takes for the game to get there in shipping.
 

culo

Youth Team
Originally posted by jumbo
i don't think i was as abusive as, lets say, Richard Cranium.

hmmm, we were having a perfectly civil 3 page discussion about WE7 and then you turn up from nowhere calling people "fookin retards". This is exactly the sort of behaviour the ruins any discussion forum.

Worthy of a yellow card, at the very least.

Apology accepted.
 

Internazionale

Elo Ratings
It ain't good because in Asian game market, there are so many illegal copies of PS2 games. I meant ALOT !!

How do you expect for Konami to gain earnings if they are buyers who only buy for cheap illegal copy for $10 instead of paying official $40-$50 for each game ? :rolleyes:
 
C

CANADIAN.10

Guest
Well konami needs to make their game multiplatform as well.
 

Hans

How big is YOUR penis?
Originally posted by Internazionale
It ain't good because in Asian game market, there are so many illegal copies of PS2 games. I meant ALOT !!

How do you expect for Konami to gain earnings if they are buyers who only buy for cheap illegal copy for $10 instead of paying official $40-$50 for each game ? :rolleyes:
$10 ? You mean $ 1, here the copied version of PS2 DVD is about Rp 10000,00, which equal almost only $1.
 

Hans

How big is YOUR penis?
Originally posted by Ian84
hey so r u indonesian, dude ??
Yeah, and so is Internazionale and a guy named SEPAKBOLA10 and there`s a half Indonesian half Iceland guy named Haukur a.k.a Herwanto here.
 

PhiLLer

Fan Favourite
Konami has one major problem and that is marketing and PR. If they got that act together they would be outselling Fifa year in, year out.
The programming and graphics department at Konami certainly know how to make a game but when it comes to the added effort of adding official kits, names and a decent presentation (ie. menu and commentary) it lacks big time.
Did you take a look at Konami's site? It's crap and it hasn't change for the past 2 years at least. That is the major problem and that is why they aren't outselling companies like EA.
Konami really have to act more professional or else they will keep making losses and eventually we won't have any PES/WE games to look forward to.
 


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