RAS (R3) users in WE7

[the_man]

Who else here is an RAS user in terms of ground passes and passes in the air?

What do you think about the change in the way RAS is used? (i.e. the pressing down of R3 before one can make a pass).

I'm getting use to it. It is difficult at first but I'm getting better each time I play. My mate Lionel suggested that I tilt the stick for the direction and then press down for power, that seems to work brilliantly.

What do you guys think?

 

[charles]

I've never been able to get the hang of RAS passing. It's always seemed too sensitive and I wasn't sure of the value once you understand how the through pass (triangle) will work in each situation.

So the_man, how long did it take to master it? I take it that you think it's worth the effort to learn. Any tips?

I just got WE7 yesterday and only got to play a few games (somehow my wife thinks painting the house is more important) so I didn't get to try it. Do you think it makes it easier or harder with the changes?

Have to say I'm really impressed overall with the improvements in this version. The physics and animation are astounding and the AI is noticeably improved.

 

[the_man]

Originally posted by charles
I've never been able to get the hang of RAS passing. It's always seemed too sensitive and I wasn't sure of the value once you understand how the through pass (triangle) will work in each situation.

So the_man, how long did it take to master it? I take it that you think it's worth the effort to learn. Any tips?

I just got WE7 yesterday and only got to play a few games (somehow my wife thinks painting the house is more important) so I didn't get to try it. Do you think it makes it easier or harder with the changes?

Have to say I'm really impressed overall with the improvements in this version. The physics and animation are astounding and the AI is noticeably improved.

Ah, I see. Using RAS does not eliminate the need for the thru ball (in the air or on the ground). It simplies adds a dynamic to it. Just as you said "once you understand how the through pass will work in each situation" There are a lot of situations where a thru pass will not cut it because it is a bit far...or a thru pass will not go to the player you want it to go to. This is where RAS comes into play. Simple example. I have and RB and i want to switch the field to my LB. thru ball won't do it, the high ball O will do it, but i'll get back to this. With the RAS I can send that ball on the ground all the way across the field. That is just a simple example and not even potent, but tactically it is usefull because, if I send the ball in the air, the player receiving it will have to control it before they can make the next move. It will be quicker if the ball was on the ground for this person to control and make the next move.

Now think of a time when you see a player running, the space is tight between the defenders and you want to squeez the ball thru, you can use x, but that will be intercepted. You can use RAS on the ground, fill it up a bit and thread that ball thru with some pace. RAS opens a new dynamic to what you can do in the game, instead of being limited by the limitations of the other tools.

Why RAS over O? The simple answer to this question is that O has 8 directions and RAS has 16. Another answer would be for O you need to use the dpad or the LAS to do direction while for RAS you could be facing one way and cross/pass the ball another. The third answer I'll give you is a matter of principal. RAS is definitely the way to go for long manual passes on the ground. It only makes sense to use the same one in the air. For example, you use triangle /\ on the ground, you also use it for the same function in the air. You use the shot button [ ] on the ground and you also use it in the air. If I'm going to use RAS on the ground, I would want to use it in the air to make things easier when i'm in the heat of battle of a game.

It took me a long while to master RAS (the way they use to do it) but it was definitely worth the effort. It opens up the game and introduces you to new possiblities. Practice is the word of the day. In a game situation, try to switch fields as much as possible, even if it doesn't make sense tactically, do it for your own practice. Get the direction and then press down to fill the bar. After a bit you get use to it. Feels funny at first but you will get the hang of it if you are dedicated.

The changes make it better. The sensitivity that you said that you felt in the older versions is better controlled with this new method. That is, in the old method of the RAS, you had to tilt your stick to where you wanted the ball to go but that tilting is also the power. The way it is now, the power and direction are seperated, that is, you tilt for the direction, you press down for the power. It makes more sense that how it was before, it just takes unlearning what we learned in the previous games.

The ball physics and player animations are the major changes in terms of gameplay. The AI surprised me, making good decisions on the ball, passing around me, I felt like I was being abused to tell you the truth. It's a good improvement and I look forward to playing the new ML.

 

[ps2]

Well i use it but you knew that already!

Listen to the_man ppl, RAS is the way to go! Gives you much more freedom both in the ground and the air.

In the ground it's much better now cause if you gauge it to its full power you can hit the ball pretty hard (something you couldn't do in we6fe) and some Rui Costa passes. It's very useful when you want to pass the ball to a player but you know it'll end up to another one that's in the way if you use X or /\...so RAS is the only way to go!

In the air it's much more precise cause you have 16 directions and with O (even in type 5 ) there are only 8 (well sometimes the ball curves a bit but you never know when it's going to happen).
And u can use it for crossing cause even if L1+O is very handy it can be very unprecise.

But is it hard? Yeah at first, but go to the training picth and find out the best way.Use it ingame from time to time at fisrt, and mix it with O passes. After a solid 6 days doing it i still go to the training pitch at times...
To me, as the_man said, the best way is to aim it first and then press RAS. At first you are a bit slow cause you find yourself thinking about your right thumb and what it's doing, but in no time you'll get it right and it's so much more rewarding.
Takes a couple of weeks to get used to but your game will improve and you'll enjoy the game a lot more.

just my 2 cents

 

[PScott]

In We6, i exclusively used the RAS. In We7, it's very different. I find that the only time i have time to use it is when i have tons of space on the ball. I use it the way your friend Lionel suggests however when i do that, I have problems pressing the RAS down.

Im gonna keep practicing cause once i get the 360 manual passes down, its gonna be Lights Out!

 

[charles]

After such gushing praise, I'll have to try it. I like the sound of the new method as well - if I've already chosen a direction for the pass but choose not to use it, I can simply not press down on the stick. I'll work on identifying the best situations but I can think of times when it would have come in handy (if only I'd practiced beforehand...).

Thanks for the dissertation!

To the practice pitch... this will give me something to work on while I wait for the English patch to play the ML.

 

[Paco de Lucia]

Good to see you back the_man.

I've never ever used RAS, but your insight and concrete examples in this thread have just illuminated a deeper level of this game that I haven't really thought of --

in otherwords, exactly the type of info I said was missing around here lately in my recent "Role of the WE Forum" thread.

I have something new to practice now. Thanks.

 

[DsevenO]

Was wondering what happened to the stick passing; now I know. Thanks for the post the_man.

Now if I could only figure out how to do some ML trading...

 

[akvelocity365]

D: Long time man! Real long time.
Anyway, being a person that never got into R3 in peviious versions, seeing how R3 works now seems a lot better ( easier to learn ) Of course you guys are switching between the x button and R3 of course, right? I just can't imagine playing with only R3 exclusively for all passes.

 

[the_man]

Originally posted by akvelocity365
D: Long time man! Real long time.
Anyway, being a person that never got into R3 in peviious versions, seeing how R3 works now seems a lot better ( easier to learn ) Of course you guys are switching between the x button and R3 of course, right? I just can't imagine playing with only R3 exclusively for all passes.

What's happening man. yeah, I've been absentee for some time now

Anyway, R3 is not at a place where you could use it for all passes. I think it is a good thing that Konami doesn't make the X passes guaged, because that will throw a lot of thigns off. For most short passes you want to do them without thinking, that's what X provides. Some passes X cannot do, that's where R3 comes in.

I think to think of al the possibilities on my controller like tools. Some people dont' need that many tools to be happy, because they dont' require to do things other tools can provide. Some people like to have all the tools at their disposal, so if the moment arises they can select the right tool to use.

 

[akvelocity365]

okay, that's what I thought and totally agree.
btw. how much more challenging is the game for you now? it is pretty darn tough, in an excellent way at that ( still haven't won the international or konami cup yet :P ). the realism is just uncanny. it's actually a good feeling to see the comp. dribbling around you, surgically moving its way at times through your defense. likewise, watching the comp. play smart defense, not getting fooled by those simple cut moves then sprint past. it doesn't seem like, as of yet, that there are any moves or combinations that always work, which is excellent. you never know what to expect. also how the pace of the game changes for both squads depending on the situation. I better stop now before I start rambling. Great stuff though.

 

[Gascoigne USA]

Yeah R3 passes are great, and very useful in certain situation, But like The_Man says, it does NOT replace X, or /\. It just ads another option. I use it more for switching the field, or passing past one player to another. and with L1 of course.. Every button has its place, even"O".

Although its hard for me at the moment to use R3 like I did in 6FE, I'm getting more and more used to it.

Cheers

 

[the_man]

Originally posted by akvelocity365
okay, that's what I thought and totally agree.
btw. how much more challenging is the game for you now?

I'm fairly pleased with the way Germany schooled my Brasilian team 2-0 on level 3. It makes me anticipate what the other levels hold for me.

I think the toughest thing about the game is the control. On defence I'm an agressive player, hence my opponenets have no more that 40% possession, cos when they get the ball, they dont' have it for long, I go after them. With this game I'm finding that I can't do that as much as I use to. I'm forced to contain and block the lanes and then when it makes sense to be agressive. This is more realistic. On the offensive side, I can control the ball, pass around fairly well but making dangerous situations come far and few between sometimes. I'd like for a patch to come out so i can start to play around with the management options a bit more. I see some stuff that looks really neat.

 

[Gascoigne USA]

I agree, you are forced to close down lanes, and contain, more then just take the ball from the players.. I'm playign on 4 stars.. its tuff but fun.

 

[akvelocity365]

Yeah, the control is taking some time to get used to. Mainly for offense, just because you pass the ball doesn't mean they will be able to control the pass right away. Which is great, they included animations for the recieving player to try to control the ball at times, either because of the pass or their handling skills. I am being really ambitious playing at 5 star, winning a few, tieing a ton and losing more than i win. getting open for shots is my trouble mainly. I still have so much more to learn in this game though! Man it is awesome!

 

[Han]

The_man, it is always a joy to read your explanations.
I understand what you said, but I still have some questions:

I usually steer the players with the LAS, not with the D-pad.
This causes some mix-ups sometimes, because I think to steer left and pass back (for example) and suddenly I see I just did the opposite
Do you use the D-pad to steer your players or, like me, the LAS?
Sometimes the funniest things happen: I once wanted to pass left, changed my mind thinking that passing forward was better and at the end of the day (well, end of the second ) I decided to turn my RAS through and pass to the original left direction.....
Before I pressed R3, my player suddenly made a 360 degrees trick
So my second question is: do you also made some unintended tricks using the RAS?

A third question has nothing to do with the LAS, but with the way WE7 performs headers. Most people I spoke has problems making a fierce header. What about you?
I think I know the way how to head with pace, but it is a hard way.
This is what I think:
- Cross the ball with L1+O, but aim just in front of the player, rather then where he stands.
- Now the player need to move to make contact with the ball and by moving the ball gets more speed.
- Getting the right moment to press shoot is more then before a matter of timing.
I like to know if this is also the idea how to head of all you guys...

 

[steveee]

good thread!

Yes.. I have realized that using the RAS is better but hard getting use to for someone new to it.

after reading this post.. I'm now going to force myself to use it.

I just wish you could switch the control settings from tricks to manual pass. I don't like pushing down on the RAS and then doing my pass. it feels very ackward to me and I'm scared to do in game situations.

I'm going to try to use it constantly now and see what happens.

 

[steveee]

btw..


do you guys use manual passing (RAS) for crosses???????

I think it would be very hard to sprint down the sideline and then hold L1 and then do the RAS for a cross.. I will try it though.

 

[steveee]

I'm on Level 3 too..

and in the semi finals of the Cup.. Holland killed me 6 - 0... I was Italy. I saved like 3 goals Holland scored off me too.. they were so amazing!

now I play with Holland or England in the Cup. I will try out Brasil next.

 

[simakperrce]

that's one detail (the only thing ASAMOF), which i at least conceptually always preferred about the FIFA controls: there you have the /\ pass which will send a flat ball anywhere on the pitch and the nature of the pass is defined by how long and hard you press the button.

even though it's not perfect, i always found that way more intuitive than the whole RAS thing in PES. just anatomically it makes more sense, since you can stay with your right thumb on the same "level" so to say... in PES it's "lift thumb", find RAS, press it ever so sensually AND make the exact aim.. all in the thick of the action.. i don't know, but that's just too much for me and contrary to the rest of the control mapping it's just not well thought out... the /\ pass in PES OTOH i often find quite frustrating, because more often than not the CPU will decide for you where the ball is going (and sometimes making quite moronic decisions) leaving you only with the option of WHEN to play it. so when you really want total freedom and play the ball to where YOU want it, there is no other way than RAS...

maybe konami purposely reserved this feature for the experts or the ones willing to spend hours in learning it, but i am bit worried that WE7 (or the upcoming PES3) will still not have an easy and intuitive free passing system...