::rap Thread::

[Filipower]

I'm almost never going to agree with anything bad said about Em, but I can understand it. Granted, Relapse was a piece of garbage but still, his last album has a couple of great records in it. Perhaps not pure hip-hop, so I think I get where you guys are coming from.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I think his flow has completely fallen off, and his lyrics are much worse, not to mention that he lacks any passion that was the reason why he got famous in the first place.

 

[regularcat]

I agree with you on Em, and Wayne now as well, but I like the Eminem Show. Still that **** was like 10 years ago.

I really can't stand anything after about 05 either with the exception of Kanye who is already making a serious case for GOAT. Jay... give me a break, he's not even top 5 NYC rappers in his generations, and generations come FAST in this industry.

Nas, Big, Big L, Pun, and Ghostface or Raekwon were/are all vastly superior. Jay is solid, but he's a product of commercialization and sales at a time when a LOT of dirty tricks were hyping up ****ty artists with unbelievable opening weeks. NO LIMIT. I respect Reasonable Doubt, Volume 1, Blueprint, and Black Album (and WTT), but at his best Jay couldn't touch those 5 I listed. Jay wasn't putting out Illmatic or Ready to Die or the Purple Tape. He couldn't, he didn't have that kind of ability. He had a verse on Lifestyles ov da Poor and Dangerous and was... not great.

i love nas, but i feel that any album after it was written just didnt have the quality of illmatic or it was written, stillmatic might be the only album close.

rae, big l & pun were beasts, i never really like ghost that much, though he was one of the better wu artists.

jays albums you listed above are some of my all time favorites, reasonable doubt w/o a doubt.

big & pac are in a league of their own, but jays words are forever untouchable, ill flow, sick metaphors, the fact not 1 track was ever written to a piece of paper is qualification to be the best hands down.

he did have a verse on l's album, but you arent supposed to outshine an artist on his album, especially when the artist is of l's quality.

I'm almost never going to agree with anything bad said about Em, but I can understand it. Granted, Relapse was a piece of garbage but still, his last album has a couple of great records in it. Perhaps not pure hip-hop, so I think I get where you guys are coming from.

for me when a man changes who he is over a 7 month period, he doesnt know who he is, i cant respect that, be you & be true to yourself.

not to mention that he lacks any passion that was the reason why he got famous in the first place.

this is the case w/ any artist, once they tastes success you will never get the same product again.

the reason i dont listen to anything now is there is no content in the tracks.
they are catchy but they dont say anything.

i remember when a tracks content was the struggle, a definition of what the artist stood for & the way of life that everyone from the class of life could relate to.

now its artists who sign a deal who get an advance the size of the earnings an artists first album would generate 10 years ago.

w/ advances like that the hunger is gone, hence the garbage you hear on the radio today.

take drake for example, swears he is a hood thug when we all know he was on tv making bucks for a few years then signed w/ wayne & got an advance
that was ridiculous so he has nothing to talk about but girls, rims & trips.


everyone is a booth thug thats on the radio now, w/ the exception of the few who still spit from when rap was good, though they have fell off considerably they sell records off name alone & maino, maino is a real g.

this i why i bump budden, his albums may be trash based off what industry standards require but his mixtapes are disgusting & once you listen to them you wont stop.
his word play is as ill as jays is, his content is that of the glory days same as his metaphors, dude is just nasty.

 

[regularcat]

youtube some of these budden tracks.

All Of Me
Downfall
Dumb Out
Forgive Me
Just To Be Different
Never Again
So Long Goodbye
Stained
Un4Given

if your a fan of hip hop you will feel these tracks.

 

[Back Door Skip]

I agree about Eminem falling off. After Marshal Mathers LP, I pretty much gave up on his music. I hate that angry, incoherent rap he spouts now. It wasn't his style for more than a decade yet now that's all he does.

Also agree that Jay Z is incredibly overrated. I would go as far as to give Black Rob the nod over Jay and he only had one good album! He is just all hype and no substance. His lyrics often don't make sense, and at times it doesn't even seem like he's trying anymore or he's just not that talented. I'm a huge Nas fan but I think after Illmatic, he also lost his touch.

That said, I stopped listening to rap year ago (sans Lupe Fiasco, J. Cole, Wale & Kanye here and there), it just seems like the whole genre is in a downward spiral and I don't even want to know what's new with rap.

 

[Waldo1639]

Anybody here listen Die Antwoord? I don't listen rap much, but "Enter the Ninja" and "I Fink U Freeky" from Die Antwoord are infectious. Die Antwoord is more like techno-rap, I guess... and their videos are wicked.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yeah, I forgot to mention Lupe along with Kanye. LOOOOOVE Lupe Fiasco.

 

[Jaboldinho]

RIP Adam Yauch.

 

[Filipower]

Legend, RIP

 

[ShiftyPowers]

i love nas, but i feel that any album after it was written just didnt have the quality of illmatic or it was written, stillmatic might be the only album close

I'm a bit of a stan for Nas, I have to admit. God's Son and Hip Hop is Dead were both pretty great to me. He fell off with I Am... and Nastradamous right when Jay was getting big, which is where he blew it.

big & pac are in a league of their own, but jays words are forever untouchable, ill flow, sick metaphors, the fact not 1 track was ever written to a piece of paper is qualification to be the best hands down.

I disagree, I don't think his words are that good. I also have a real problem with artists who do this. And it's not just Jay, a LOT of much less talented artists do it too like Wayne. Sometimes you can strike gold with this kind of stuff, but collecting your thoughts and saying what you want to say exactly how you want to say it is the best way. Think Biggie just spit the first thing in his head? **** no.

he did have a verse on l's album, but you arent supposed to outshine an artist on his album, especially when the artist is of l's quality.

That's the point, Jay isn't of that quality. It's not really a knock, those guys are in like the top 0.1% of rappers, but he isn't there. Eminem murdered him on his own ****. Jay tried to respond like Oochie Wally was a serious track.

 

[ARIAGA II]

That myth of Eminem murdering Hov on 'Renegade' must cease. Also 'Renegade' really was Bad Meets Evil song to begin with, then Em and Royce the 5'9 fell out.

Yes I'm a longtime Jay-Z and I have him as the greatest in my list.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

You seriously think Jay was just as good as Eminem on Renegade?



No waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Eminem is smooth as butter, Jay-Z is choppy.

 

[ARIAGA II]

The song is more tailored to Eminem both because he produced it and it was his to begin with. Em has a really crazy flow so it sound awesome but Jay-Z spat some really dope stuff. I bet everything he knew people would be saying Eminem killed him hence the opening lines, I call equal.

 

[Help?]

I'd pay anything to see a full collabo set with these two. Jay-Z and Kanye set was amazing, but these two...alone for two hours...****

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Meh, they're washed up. WTT was a Kanye album in my opinion.

 

[Help?]

They can still bring the energy and listening to the biggest hits from Em and Jay at the same time?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Oh, I thought you meant they should put out an album. Yeah, they would be sick on tour.

A friend of mine actually posted a Kanye and Jay WTT live set from Greensboro on my fantasy football message board last year. 45 tracks. It's insane. And they do Niggas in Paris 3 times at the end.

 

[ARIAGA II]

The WTT tour was amazing. In LA and Boston they actually did 'People of color in Paris' 11x. Crowd still got hyped up each time.

I went to the Eminem/Jay-Z in 2010, they didn't do much together but it was still a good concert.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

That song is just amazing. Why does Kanye have to wear a ******* dress in the video?

 

[ARIAGA II]

He wore it during the entire tour! I found it weird too, I guess since WTT was all about Givenchy/Ricardo Tisci (the album and singles artwork, the wardrobe etc) he decided to go full retard on it.