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Racist Ron Atkinson

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Ubik Valis

Croatian Viking
Originally posted by HeartsFC
Why, he's made amends already! :D

(Note: All Overreacting melodramatic PC brigade type folk can GTF! (H))


Seriously, that's just wrong, I've known you for about 4 years, and to be honest, I had expected better of you. That picture is not remotely funny, and you can be sure that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated. You will be dealt with shortly.
 

Payaah

Starting XI
I didnt know the HeartFC is a bit racist. Surely he should get a yellow card or red, dunno since he is mod.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
ive listened to different interviews with ron aktinson today (and lots of em), and with his record as being involved with the 'kick it out' campaign and the fact he pioneerd black football in England, i think that he is sorry for what he said and is not a racist.

TROD.
 

adj137

Senior Squad
Originally posted by TROD
ive listened to different interviews with ron aktinson today (and lots of em), and with his record as being involved with the 'kick it out' campaign and the fact he pioneerd black football in England, i think that he is sorry for what he said and is not a racist.

TROD.

i also think that hes done quite a bit for the kick it out campaign, and it does seem out of character but still, he did the right thing in resigning
 

pede54

Team Captain
It is not out of character.....not at all.......he verbally abused black players at West Brom all the time......Brendan Batson,Laurie Cunningham,Cyrill Regis.....i used to attend training sessions as a guest of Laurie and i heard it all for myself,the scumbag was and is a disgrace.......and when he was asked to participate in the Kick Racism campaign,what was he gonna do ?say...."No sorry i cant do it because i hate them all too".....course not........and to refuse would have dragged up old opinions of Atkinson that many people still have.......what it was all about was a charade to clean up his image so he could work in the media.....now his big racist gob has shown everyone what is deep inside the pig......If you are not racist.....that word he used would not "JUST SLIP OUT" or "I NEVER REALISED I'D SAID IT "......he is a weak cowardly racist and anyone who feels like forgiving him must be one too.......or you do not understand or appreciate what racism is or what racism does............This is 2004 for Gods sake.......
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
Originally posted by Eagle Winged
For crying out loud, lighten up please. The image is a satirical alteration. I, as a black man, am not offended and neither is the Kenyan who made it.
The image is just highlighting Ron's stupidity in claiming he's not racist because he's brought and managed black players through his career. You have to look at the funny side of these things aswell.

I agree, one outburst don't make him a racist, yes it was stupid and offensive, but im sure a black football fan has sat at home and said "you white cu nt" before, that doesnt make that person a racist. It was very dumb and shameful, but like eagle winged said lighten up!!!.
 

henry#14

Starting XI
Originally posted by Eagle Winged

:| :| ....some people just don't know when to quit.

and i don't wanna hear that "it slipped out" or "i was actually talking to myself" crap that i heard him say on CNN World Sport. even worse is the argument that he can't be racist b/c he managed and brought in black players,that is utter:sb9:
and to those people who say that he made a mistake have the wrong idea: IT WAS NO MISTAKE-HE SIMPLY GOT CAUGHT:kader:
"nigger" is not something you say in a moment of anger or frustration. it shows underlying racism and he either thinks he can fool us or he's in denial. my bet is the first one. i, as a black man am not just offended, i'm fucking pissed off at the fact that he was pressured into resigning instead of being fired. There's no room for racism in this day and age
 

RVN

Banned
Life Ban
thats huge i hadnt heard nething of it in aust im glad he resigned because racism has no place newhere but it is a shame to see him leave this way :kader:
 

lucasetor

Youth Team
Originally posted by Spurs4Life
I agree, one outburst don't make him a racist, yes it was stupid and offensive, but im sure a black football fan has sat at home and said "you white cu nt" before, that doesnt make that person a racist. It was very dumb and shameful, but like eagle winged said lighten up!!!.

Saying u white **** or black bastard is not on the same magnitude as saying lazy nigger, unless the customary term for black people around your parts is nigger. And to the people who keep try to persuade people to lighten up I think u should give it a rest. Its kind of hard for some of us who encounter discrimination in our workplaces, colleges and social centers to just laugh this off. Eagle-winged, I dont know how old u are but just because u can see the lighter side of this doesnt mean the rest of us should. Its kinda hard to when reality doesnt permit it. When people to this day are being killed simply because they are black. Laughing it off is an escapist method, we need to confront it.
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
Originally posted by lucasetor
Saying u white **** or black bastard is not on the same magnitude as saying lazy nigger, unless the customary term for black people around your parts is nigger. And to the people who keep try to persuade people to lighten up I think u should give it a rest. Its kind of hard for some of us who encounter discrimination in our workplaces, colleges and social centers to just laugh this off. Eagle-winged, I dont know how old u are but just because u can see the lighter side of this doesnt mean the rest of us should. Its kinda hard to when reality doesnt permit it. When people to this day are being killed simply because they are black. Laughing it off is an escapist method, we need to confront it.

Yeh well u say that, but u see rappers and other black people round where i live call other black people nigger all the time for example when they greet each other it's "wats up my nigger". Fair enough it's a vile word and has no place in society, but it don't exactly help when certain black people use it all the time when calling there friends it, doesnt help when u got rappers saying it, then you get people complainning about it saying it's a disgusting word. Very contradicting at times to how that word should and shouldnt be used. Ron is a idiot for saying it, he has lost his well paid job and has lost respect from alot of fans and peers, so people need to just leave it now.

Btw it isnt customary to call black people niggers, people who live in England will know London has the most ethnic residents living here. My idol and favortite arstist is 2Pac and we even have the same birthdate :D, so no it's not customary, maybe if i lived in a hick town fair enough it might of been.
 

lucasetor

Youth Team
Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Yeh well u say that, but u see rappers and other black people round where i live call other black people nigger all the time for example when they greet each other it's "wats up my nigger". Fair enough it's a vile word and has no place in society, but it don't exactly help when certain black people use it all the time when calling there friends it, doesnt help when u got rappers saying it, then you get people complainning about it saying it's a disgusting word. Very contradicting at times to how that word should and shouldnt be used. Ron is a idiot for saying it, he has lost his well paid job and has lost respect from alot of fans and peers, so people need to just leave it now.

Btw it isnt customary to call black people niggers, people who live in England will know London has the most ethnic residents living here. My idol and favortite arstist is 2Pac hell we even use the same birthdate, so no it's not customary, maybe if i lived in a hick town fair enough.

I fail to see your argument here spurs4life. Because black people call each other nigger doesnt mean a thing in the ocntext of Ron calling Desailly one. Are u trying to say Ron thinks he is black (maybe becasue he hung out with three of them on his team)? I myself have a problem with other black people I meet referring to me as nigga (note the difference nigger/nigga), how much more a white person. Im sure u are not trying so say that because rappers use in reference to each other white people should have the same right. However, if u insist they should then they could use it in reference to other white folk, because black people do not use it when talking to white or asian people. I am not trying to say there are no exceptions because I have friends here whose white friends use the word with them but with no one else. The word is a form of brotherhood and endearment. It denotes someone who is down with your way of doing things. This came about because historically black people have been maligned and as such not been a part of the mainstram culture. The word nigger was taken and converted to mean something more positive. Every other black person was stuck in the same struggle. Normally when a white person uses the word with a black person its because that black person is certain that he sees eye to eye with him just as he woul d with another black person. Also, here in the US Latinos and blacks call each other nigga (Jennifer Lopez even used it in a song and got away with it). I live in Minneapolis and I hear Hmong kids call themselves and other minority kids nigaa. My understanding is, the term nigga is now a statement by many minority youth who feel outkast from the dominant white culture. I also find it disturbing that white kids feel left out with the use of this word. Ive heard many say: I dont think its fair that we cant use the word and others can. The plain fact is they cant use the word because it is offensive to everyone else when they do. Why? Because, historically, it meant no-good, lazy, dirty, non-human, less-than-an-animal, only-good-for-work, thing. And as long as people like Ron Atkinson exist to this day, and that word being used by a white person can carry the same malice it once did, its going to be hard for a white person to use the word and get away with it. Now, i a feel its better to be safe than sorry.
Another point is a black person will say "whats up nigga?" But not " you lazy fat nigga" that would be an insult, and believe me when a black person insults another using the word nigger anywhere in the sentence its a huge deal. The only difference here is it wont be seen as racist (duh).
I know it isnt customary to call black people niggers where u are from, i was just trying to differentiate between calling someone a black or white cu..t and calling someone a ........ nigger.
 

dobrin1980

Reserve Team
Originally posted by lucasetor
I fail to see your argument here spurs4life. Because black people call each other nigger doesnt mean a thing in the ocntext of Ron calling Desailly one. Are u trying to say Ron thinks he is black (maybe becasue he hung out with three of them on his team)? I myself have a problem with other black people I meet referring to me as nigga (note the difference nigger/nigga), how much more a white person. Im sure u are not trying so say that because rappers use in reference to each other white people should have the same right. However, if u insist they should then they could use it in reference to other white folk, because black people do not use it when talking to white or asian people. I am not trying to say there are no exceptions because I have friends here whose white friends use the word with them but with no one else. The word is a form of brotherhood and endearment. It denotes someone who is down with your way of doing things. This came about because historically black people have been maligned and as such not been a part of the mainstram culture. The word nigger was taken and converted to mean something more positive. Every other black person was stuck in the same struggle. Normally when a white person uses the word with a black person its because that black person is certain that he sees eye to eye with him just as he woul d with another black person. Also, here in the US Latinos and blacks call each other nigga (Jennifer Lopez even used it in a song and got away with it). I live in Minneapolis and I hear Hmong kids call themselves and other minority kids nigaa. My understanding is, the term nigga is now a statement by many minority youth who feel outkast from the dominant white culture. I also find it disturbing that white kids feel left out with the use of this word. Ive heard many say: I dont think its fair that we cant use the word and others can. The plain fact is they cant use the word because it is offensive to everyone else when they do. Why? Because, historically, it meant no-good, lazy, dirty, non-human, less-than-an-animal, only-good-for-work, thing. And as long as people like Ron Atkinson exist to this day, and that word being used by a white person can carry the same malice it once did, its going to be hard for a white person to use the word and get away with it. Now, i a feel its better to be safe than sorry.
Another point is a black person will say "whats up nigga?" But not " you lazy fat nigga" that would be an insult, and believe me when a black person insults another using the word nigger anywhere in the sentence its a huge deal. The only difference here is it wont be seen as racist (duh).
I know it isnt customary to call black people niggers where u are from, i was just trying to differentiate between calling someone a black or white cu..t and calling someone a ........ nigger.
wow...didnt you run out of ink, man?:o
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
Originally posted by lucasetor
I just feel strongly about racism, and cant help but take my time to educate and get rid of the ignorance.

I was not igronant. I agreed entirely, all i was saying is it's a bit contradictory how black people use the term "nigger" or "nigga" freely and in a non offensive way, then when a white guy says it they are deeply hurt and disgusted. I agree they should be because its wrong, but if they are so concerned about that word, they should stop using it themselves. But Lucasetor i agree with u 100%.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
yeah buts its offensive and classed as dergoatory from white people, hence it shouldnt be said.

E.g. i wouldnt mind if a white person where to call me, "white boy" but would probably find it offensive if a black person said it to me.

TROD.
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
Originally posted by TROD
yeah buts its offensive and classed as dergoatory from white people, hence it shouldnt be said

TROD.

I know a white person shouldnt say it of course he shouldnt, but if black people hate the word so much, they really shouldnt use it in any form themselves.
 

ryan_goal

Senior Squad
I think as he resigned from the job he already paid the price for making stupid comments, and the case should be settled. Give the man a break.
 
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