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poor PES5 performance
- Thread starter tommymac
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Anything over 1GB is excessive for most of todays games especially the WE/PES series which takes up no more than 20MB or ram (talk about optimisation....my Internet Explorer takes up around 70MB right now)
But PES does need some GPU power to run at 60 fps on high resolution with max detail, and a 5200 certainly can't match that.
The reason you might experience "unplayability" more on PES than other games is the side-scrolling. Playing a first person shooter is quite different than fast side-scrolling action on a football field. I can't explain it now, but just try to compare 30 frames per second on HL2 with 30 fps on any footy game. You'll think the latter feels like a slide show.
As for the 60Hz thing I am baffled. I have 3 PCs with EIZO CRTs, all at 1024x768@100 Hz (GF4 Ti4200, Radeon 9600 Pro, 6600GT). All of them play the game at a rock solid 60 fps (with a few drops on the GF4 only on cutscenes). No need for me to change to they eye tormenting 60Hz frequency. Maybe it's only for good LCDs that can go above 60Hz?
But PES does need some GPU power to run at 60 fps on high resolution with max detail, and a 5200 certainly can't match that.
The reason you might experience "unplayability" more on PES than other games is the side-scrolling. Playing a first person shooter is quite different than fast side-scrolling action on a football field. I can't explain it now, but just try to compare 30 frames per second on HL2 with 30 fps on any footy game. You'll think the latter feels like a slide show.
As for the 60Hz thing I am baffled. I have 3 PCs with EIZO CRTs, all at 1024x768@100 Hz (GF4 Ti4200, Radeon 9600 Pro, 6600GT). All of them play the game at a rock solid 60 fps (with a few drops on the GF4 only on cutscenes). No need for me to change to they eye tormenting 60Hz frequency. Maybe it's only for good LCDs that can go above 60Hz?
What you people seem to forget is, just because people have computers, it doesn't mean they intend on forking out £300 everytime a good graphics card comes out, for all we know the guy has a family and his own house with a poorly payed job. Now what is more important, feeding your family or spending £300 on a graphics card just so he can play the new games when he may not even want too.
So stop being a bunch of idiots, we don't care if he has 5 mb of ram or 5000, get over it.
I really do wonder if my monitor makes games slow, before I had this PC I used an XP 2200 or something with a Ti 4200 (then switched to 4600) and now having a much better computer I noticed no difference in the game performance at all.
Now, everything in my computer changed apart from the monitor and the HD, so unless it is one of them, the game is poorly made.
So stop being a bunch of idiots, we don't care if he has 5 mb of ram or 5000, get over it.
I really do wonder if my monitor makes games slow, before I had this PC I used an XP 2200 or something with a Ti 4200 (then switched to 4600) and now having a much better computer I noticed no difference in the game performance at all.
Now, everything in my computer changed apart from the monitor and the HD, so unless it is one of them, the game is poorly made.
Haha who's the noob here? Sorry, I normally never reply on stupid posts but this is ridiculous, deKerf is spot on with his answers and YOU are the one who's making a fool out of yourself now with your pathetic insults.tracertong said:
9 out of 10 times slowdowns in PES4/5 on computers that should easily run the game have to do with the refresh rate, and if you're absolutely 200% sure that it's on 60hz or 120hz IN-GAME (yes, not in your Windows but go ingame and check your monitor OSD) then there's probably something else that makes the computer under-performing. When I play PES4 or WE8i it uses about 120MB of memory during a match, and my processor (A64 3400+) never goes over 50% CPU usage... PES5 demo is even less demanding. So it's BS that you need a high-end system, if you can run HL2 (even with the lowest settings) then you can run PES smoothly too, simple as that
tracertong
Reserve Team
LOL We are talking about someone who is using an Geforce FX5200 - refresh rate has nothing to do with his slowdown. Nice try though
And again i say - people with LOW end systems (geforce fx5200 or using a 1 ghz cpu) will struggle to run PES game on high graphics settings. Thats not debate , thats fact. Recommended Specs are a 9600 pro or higher. - note how they slip in the "or higher bit"
Please no more tards.
And again i say - people with LOW end systems (geforce fx5200 or using a 1 ghz cpu) will struggle to run PES game on high graphics settings. Thats not debate , thats fact. Recommended Specs are a 9600 pro or higher. - note how they slip in the "or higher bit"
Please no more tards.
Well here's a tard again...tracertong said:LOL We are talking about someone who is using an Geforce FX5200 - refresh rate has nothing to do with his slowdown. Nice try though
And again i say - people with LOW end systems (geforce fx5200 or using a 1 ghz cpu) will struggle to run PES game on high graphics settings. Thats not debate , thats fact. Recommended Specs are a 9600 pro or higher. - note how they slip in the "or higher bit"
Please no more tards.
Okay, so especially for you I decided to install the PES5 demo on my girlfriend's computer which is an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (1667 MHz) with 512 MB RAM and a GeForce3 ti200 (64mb). I enabled Vsync and forced refresh rate on 60hz. The game was running a bit slow on 1024x768 on High details since the framerate couldn't hit 60 and dropped back to 30 (although still playable), but when I switched back to 1024x768 with Medium details it ran smooth as hell with 60 fps solid the whole game.
I'm pretty convinced that tommymac's computer which has a FX5200 card and a faster CPU can beat that performance hands down
thanks for your help everyone, its just a shame there's so many tits on here, il try and lock the game at 60hz instead of just selecting it in display, it sounds like its worth a try. i improved my performance a bit last nite thanks to you guys but it isn't enough to be playable on high detail, il update you when ive tried the new changes, thanks once again
WTF it's true!
I was always playing on 100Hz so I never noticed. When I swithced to 60Hz it was a lot smoother. 120Hz was an improvement, but not like 60Hz.
It seems like those damned japs have an internal ticker on the game set at 60 ticks per second for physics AND 3D graphics (modern 3D games rely on the client-server architecture, where the server is the game and the client is the 3D display which runs at real-time, e.g. getting as many frames per second as it can).
They also seem to sync the game ticker with vsync, but only on 60Hz of course, that's why it gives the best performance there. Any other refresh rate is out of sync. So if you have vsync on you lose a few frames that are produced but never send out to the display. With v-sync off you get the lost frames but with horrible screen-tearing which is even worse.
I don't get those japs, honestly. The make a great game in terms of AI, motion capture and all those bits that make it feel like football, yet fail to deliver on the simplest things like timing the game, or the ability to view a replay after the ball has gone out of bounds or a dynamic league and team database etc...
I was always playing on 100Hz so I never noticed. When I swithced to 60Hz it was a lot smoother. 120Hz was an improvement, but not like 60Hz.
It seems like those damned japs have an internal ticker on the game set at 60 ticks per second for physics AND 3D graphics (modern 3D games rely on the client-server architecture, where the server is the game and the client is the 3D display which runs at real-time, e.g. getting as many frames per second as it can).
They also seem to sync the game ticker with vsync, but only on 60Hz of course, that's why it gives the best performance there. Any other refresh rate is out of sync. So if you have vsync on you lose a few frames that are produced but never send out to the display. With v-sync off you get the lost frames but with horrible screen-tearing which is even worse.
I don't get those japs, honestly. The make a great game in terms of AI, motion capture and all those bits that make it feel like football, yet fail to deliver on the simplest things like timing the game, or the ability to view a replay after the ball has gone out of bounds or a dynamic league and team database etc...
tracertong
Reserve Team
Pinho said:Well here's a tard again...
The game was running a bit slow on 1024x768 on High details since the framerate couldn't hit 60 and dropped back to 30
An fx5200 is slower than that card btw , as you dont seem to know. Thanks for proving my point anyway.
Admitted, it's close to a Geforce3 but it's still faster in almost all cases :tracertong said:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/over2003/#p3
Besides, the FX5200 256mb has 4 times as much memory on board, which is indeed overkill and doesn't directly result in better performace, but still...
Even if the FX5200 gives the same performace as a GF3ti200 you should still get a better result then a choppy PES5 @ 800x600 on a Athlon XP 2500+, as I just proved in my previous reply.
thnx 4 ur help everyone, ive now got PES running at a solid 60 fps on medium detail and 1024x768 resolution. though tryin high detail at any resolution i can only manage about 30 fps, on another note i can't wait for the pc release cos im getting pretty tired of the demo now
archkiller
Club Supporter
It has to be that crappy fx5200. I have a 128mb fx5900 with 512mb and p4 2ghz and I can run at 1280x1024 at high detail at constant 60fps.
Those wiseguy comments are a fad these days...
Fraps is irrelevant because it all it does is hook onto the directx/opengl API and counts the actually frames per second an application sends to the monitor. PES produces 60 fps and displays 60 fps and that's what fraps will tell you (provided your computer has adequate processing power). However those 60 fps are not the same 60 fps you get with 60Hz. It's obvious that the game syncs its produced 60 fps with vsync, so when you set the game to another frequency you lose frames. Of course in the end you still have 60 fps, but some frames are displayed twice and others lost that's why the game isn't really smooth at any other frequency.
Fraps is irrelevant because it all it does is hook onto the directx/opengl API and counts the actually frames per second an application sends to the monitor. PES produces 60 fps and displays 60 fps and that's what fraps will tell you (provided your computer has adequate processing power). However those 60 fps are not the same 60 fps you get with 60Hz. It's obvious that the game syncs its produced 60 fps with vsync, so when you set the game to another frequency you lose frames. Of course in the end you still have 60 fps, but some frames are displayed twice and others lost that's why the game isn't really smooth at any other frequency.
chungundertaker
Youth Team
crappy card=poor performance
cpu doesn't matter in this game
cpu doesn't matter in this game
This is confused guys. Then, the game only works at 60Hz???
My monitor is at 1024x768x100hz (it puts on properties at advanced options on my ATI), but running the game it appears some of the effects of the non vertical sync. Then the game goes very fast but not smooth, typical. And this is happend to me on some last games, i can play very fast but with this distortion effect. So, when i put vertical sync on, the performance go down. I didnt install the monitor drivers, i use the graphic card to control it. Any idea of to get better performances?? overall in PES 5. (i must to say that the game runs great, but, sure, we always wants that runs smooter and smoother.
Another thing that i notice is that depending of the stadium the performance is diferent, try to play at nou camp....
PIV Extreme Edition 3,73
Mobo ASUS P5WD2 premiun
ASUS Extreme ATIX850XT 256 (overclocled to 530 and 1200)
2 g. RAM
Philips 109B6 monitor 19"
Take care
neovico
My monitor is at 1024x768x100hz (it puts on properties at advanced options on my ATI), but running the game it appears some of the effects of the non vertical sync. Then the game goes very fast but not smooth, typical. And this is happend to me on some last games, i can play very fast but with this distortion effect. So, when i put vertical sync on, the performance go down. I didnt install the monitor drivers, i use the graphic card to control it. Any idea of to get better performances?? overall in PES 5. (i must to say that the game runs great, but, sure, we always wants that runs smooter and smoother.
Another thing that i notice is that depending of the stadium the performance is diferent, try to play at nou camp....
PIV Extreme Edition 3,73
Mobo ASUS P5WD2 premiun
ASUS Extreme ATIX850XT 256 (overclocled to 530 and 1200)
2 g. RAM
Philips 109B6 monitor 19"
Take care
neovico
chungundertaker
Youth Team
dudeAragorn said:
you have to install the official driver (or the asus driver)
it makes your card goes better