PES5 More Of A Midfield Battle ! Says Konami

[MightyTic]

PES5 More Of A Midfield Battle ! Says Konami


And I can see why, I had said myself that the cpu players closed my players down as soon as the got the ball (even seen them moving in on my player before the ball has reached him) and if I didn't pass it 1st time, then Id end up losing the ball.

I seen wolfs post and in it he was talking about "pressure", well I had a game just there Chelsea v cpu Arsenal and you could see this "pressure".

Herny was running forward out wide right or left to close my players down, it was the same with the rest of the midfield, as soon my keeper flung the ball out and my defender played the ball up to my midfield (still 10 to 15yrds inside my own half) as soon as my defender played the ball (even before it reached the player I was passing to ) you would see a cpu player move in..

Now I know that in the game set up you can set up team or individual player to "pressure" the other team, close them down!

Q? Is, have Konami built this into the game to make it more of a midfield battle, or is it just the demo teams have been set this way! Not all team play a high pressure game.

 

[TristanAbbott7]

I played the game all weekend to try and fall in love with the new feel to the game. It's growing on me although I still find the speed an issue and the power of the shots/headers.

PES5 definitely seems easier to dribble than WE9 with players like Cristiano Ronaldo. I've been mirroring Man Utd's real life 4-3-3 formation conversion and it seems to be going pretty well especially given I've never really played that formation in PES/WE before to any extent.

The midfield battle can be pretty intense and there's a lot of transition there, far more than in previous editions. I do like the way players hustle and push a lot more now too as they fight for the ball. A lot of pressure from teams even when they're beating you which is a little strange although in ML I did play against a team that seemed intent on keep away so they're not all playing the same high pressure style.

Anyway, I feel a lot more positive about the game than this time last week. Will take some getting used to and I'm hoping WE9:I will be that little bit slower. Not too keen on playing my games in front of an exhilirated crowd of about 500 people at Old Trafford (I blame Glazer!) but I guess we're stuck with that until the new generation of consoles now.

 

[delpinsky]

I played the game all weekend to try and fall in love with the new feel to the game. It's growing on me although I still find the speed an issue and the power of the shots/headers.

I'm satisfied by this PES5,
ayway I don't understand why Konami makes every year the european version of the game faster than japanese one?!
Should be japanese one to be faster if i think about japanese way to see football.

I want back the "speed bar" to slow down the play...

 

[Tom]

i have to say PES5 impressed me a bit, but it was when i was with beckham in midfield and he lost the ball before simply charging into a player, the ball ran free with beckham and the other play in a heap, at whiche time roberto carlos and an oppposing player ran in, both kind of charged each other and kind of lost the ball so the ball rolled out to the original player who challened becks before beckham just standing up managed to hack the ball from the players legs out for a throwing.

Needless to say it finished with 4 people on the floor, hillariously realistic.

TROD.

 

[ronaldo9]

i don't know how we9 plays, but pes5 is way better then pes4 in every aspect, jugin the game from the demo, pes5 is deffenitly the best pes, or football game i ever played :sun:

 

[Daz]

i have to say PES5 impressed me a bit, but it was when i was with beckham in midfield and he lost the ball before simply charging into a player, the ball ran free with beckham and the other play in a heap, at whiche time roberto carlos and an oppposing player ran in, both kind of charged each other and kind of lost the ball so the ball rolled out to the original player who challened becks before beckham just standing up managed to hack the ball from the players legs out for a throwing.

Needless to say it finished with 4 people on the floor, hillariously realistic.

TROD.

hahaha. Classic

 

[Johnny_Big]

PES5 is the best PES game ever...every game is different. I played yesterday against Real Madrid with Valencia 5 stars and won 3-0...then I played another game and got 0-0, with intense midfield battle...and counter-attacking now needs skill...no more cheap goals like in PES4 in CA.

And the new feints...dribbles...shooting system...new animations...this is so much better than PES4...I love it.

 

[aglioeolio]

i don't know how we9 plays, but pes5 is way better then pes4 in every aspect, jugin the game from the demo, pes5 is deffenitly the best pes, or football game i ever played :sun:

exactly what I think about it

I´ve tried to play PES4 after playing PES5 Demo for 1 week

No deal PES5 it´s like real soccer, 3D real players ingame

 

[Tom]

yeh but Daz it was so realistic, the only thing that was missing was it raining. Im really hopeful for PES5 as long as the final version doesnt have too many fouls on it, id like to see some nasty english challenged without fouls given; that sequence with Beckham was so fun to play!

TROD.

 

[Nuno]

I have to take back this comment I made in Wolf's thread.

3. Dribbling: I think the AI shouldn't press you the entire game the way it does. They always go for the tackle no matter what. It's unrealistic in that sense. The player should be given more time on the ball and the AI should position itself infront of the player and wait for him to make a move. Not all the time but sometimes in one on ones. However it isn't impossible to make great runs. I skipped past 3 defenders with Ronaldo yesterday before scoring a beautiful goal.

After carefully observing the AI, I realized I was wrong. Open players do have a reasonable amount of time to pass the ball. I'm starting to enjoy just passing the ball around in midfield. It's actually very realistic. It freaks me out how smart the ai is. It freaks me out even more imagining how smart it'll be on the PS3/Xbox360.

 

[MightyTic]

Don't get me wrong I love PES , but not every team or player in a game of football will run to close a player down! But in PES5 they do ! That's the point I was putting across...

As soon as I make a pass in PES5 (demo) the player I am passing to is closed down , and the cpu player is closing in before the ball gets to the player I am passing to ! you see it all round the pitch.. Life like for some teams and some players but not all, but in this version of PES it is every player.. Now if the game options are set so that the team as a whole press and close players on or about to get a pass well fair enough!

But i have a feeling that not only the 4 teams in the demo are set to pressure the other side , but I get the feeling that all the teams will do this ...

So not so much an option but a set in gameplay fact , and this way konami make the game a bit more life like.. Just like they tried with deflections, but the only thing with this was , once it was set in the game , the wild deflections happened all the time!

As in they could not set these deflections to happen in a random fashion, once you put them in they were in for all..

I see the same happening with the high pressing game, Konami have set all 4 demo teams to play a high pressing game, even though some teams don't play that sort of game!

But its the only way they can make the midfield more competitive! So all the CPU teams you play against will have this in built..

 

[Gnidrologist]

Hmm, strange, thought that cpu pressure in Pes3 was much tighter in your defensive half than in latest games. I often lost ball in front of my goal and conseded easy tap in from cpu in Pes3/We7.
In Pes4 and even more in Pes5 I feel that you can be more relaxed when possesing the ball in your half, well.. apart from the lame first touch when your defender instead of chesting the ball calmly bumps it 3 meters in the air for no good reason.
I'm more annoyed by how D is taking away the ball when I'm attacking. He just sticks the leg and ball suddenly springs up and away as if ball was gone crazy. I think that ball is too bouncy and floaty overall in Pes5, sometimes it acts like an air baloon.

 

[pere]

Hmm, strange, thought that cpu pressure in Pes3 was much tighter in your defensive half than in latest games. I often lost ball in front of my goal and conseded easy tap in from cpu in Pes3/We7.

Yes, but this is probably due to the demo matches being friendlies. In the pes3 demo 2 years ago you could easily pass the ball around in your defense to hold a 1-0 lead. I also noticed in MasterLeague mode of previous titles that winning against a top team is far easier in a preseason friendly match than it is in a WEFA/Champions league match. So I guess the AI is not pushing it that hard in friendlies. This would also explain the AI offensive play in the pes5demo being a little weak.

 

[mcq3000]

u guys just suck

ever watched real football? Everyone plays a pressure game and try to close down open players, they do this way more than zone type defense. You combat this by doing throughballs. Thank God the days of mindless passing around till a hole/zone magically opens up is gone, that hardly happens in real football. Defense in football is way more "press" than "zonal"

 

[TristanAbbott7]

u guys just suck

ever watched real football? Everyone plays a pressure game and try to close down open players, they do this way more than zone type defense. You combat this by doing throughballs. Thank God the days of mindless passing around till a hole/zone magically opens up is gone, that hardly happens in real football. Defense in football is way more "press" than "zonal"

Wow! I see the "Intellectuals Anonymous" meeting kicked out early tonight then!

For your poor misunderstanding brain that has entirely missed the point of the comments you so foolishly reply to, I'll explain.

Defense may be more "press" than "zonal" (and in reality this is not true for all teams or the playing style for many leagues in the world as a whole but I'll continue...) but a team rarely plays "press" for a whole game regardless of the score. Teams are more likely to play containment when they are defending a lead because containment defense leads to less scoring opportunities because of the less frequent transition of teams from offense to defense and vice versa.

The observation on PES5 is that even if the computer is beating you 2-0 with 2 minutes left, it still "presses" hard as if it's chasing the game and desperately trying to win the ball. It overcommits to winning the ball in midfield even if you are playing a passing game and burning time, effectively doing the computers job for it in ensuring no immediate goalscoring opportunities are being created.

Nobody expects PES5 to be perfect. The AI of soccer games is still evolving year after year and things we gripe about now wouldn't have been a consideration 5 years ago when we were just happy that you could tell the difference between player or team abilities.

Next time you post, understand what people are trying to say rather than telling people they "suck". The fact you responded as such and yet didn't even understand what it was you were replying to kind of reverses the analagy!

 

[mcq3000]

you can easily find ways around the pressing, if you know how to play the game then it really doesnt even happen and the strategies to cirumvent it make that strategy useless. And the game on the PC is no faster or slower than PES 4 or Winning Eleven. And the automatic sidestep, while ****tely animated results in more realistic movement. I understand perfectly what you are saying and it shows you are not very good at the game, finding open spaces and playing though balls defeats the "press" defense and forces the PC to take a more zonal approach.

And it is a fact that the majority of league teams play more press defence than zonal overally, ofcourse they mix both strategies but it is heavily press overall.

 

[TristanAbbott7]

It's not about finding ways to cope with the tactic, it's about the unrealistic overuse of it. If the computer played nothing but long balls 100% of the time, it would be possible to counter the tactic but the tactic itself would be unrealistic if used all of the time.

Even teams that use "heavy press" as you like to call it still adjust their style of defense depending on the score of the game. In PES5 it seems to be applied regardless of the score. It appears that offensively, the computer does mix and match the styles of attack which is great but defensively in the midfield, it plays the same style regardless of the team or game circumstance.

Like I said, it's not a huge flaw because this midfield concentrated game is another new move for Konami and probably a more accurate one in terms of reflecting where the majority of games take place. I know they're trying but how will the game develop without feedback?

Lastly (and to repeat myself), it's not about being good or bad at the game to defeat the style of pressure used by the computer, it's the repeated application of the same pressure under all circumstances that is the issue.

 

[MightyTic]

it's not about being good or bad at the game to defeat the style of pressure used by the computer, it's the repeated application of the same pressure under all circumstances that is the issue.

Totally agree!

It should be mixed, but it seems set on one setting and that's an intense pressing game from the cpu teams, from the forward(s) right throughout the cpu teams!

This is unreal as most teams do not play this sort of game, on the odd occasion they may, but on the whole they don't, but in PES5 (demo) all cpu teams play this way and that is unreal.

But I guess that Konami could not figure out any other way to make the game more midfield orientated, other than to make all cpu team play this high pressing game.

 

[Mel Brennan]

u guys just suck

ever watched real football? Everyone plays a pressure game and try to close down open players, they do this way more than zone type defense. You combat this by doing throughballs. Thank God the days of mindless passing around till a hole/zone magically opens up is gone, that hardly happens in real football. Defense in football is way more "press" than "zonal"

Not true at all; it all depends on the team, and the score/situation...there are areas of the pitch in which teams will let other teams storke the ball around, until they come too close and/or demonstrate the ability to Route-1 the ball effectively...Madrid is classic at this, as is Roma (and lazy-ass Chivas USA, btw).

Now put Madrid behind a goal in an away knockout leg of the CL< and they'll press the hell out of you. It all depends. When Konami puts together AI that gets that situationally specific, they'll have acheived Nirvana...until then, varying the AI dynamics from year to year doesn't bother me unless it's too extreme...I haven't "found"/bought PES5 yet, so I don't know about it specifically, but the claim that "everyone plays a pressure game" is quite simply untrue and false...

 

[pefan]

If the game was so easy as some of you guys say pressure shouldnt be a problem.......I think it varies depending on the score. If its heavy already it could be heavier if the cpu is behind...