ISS for N64 had a much better method for penalty kicks than WE6I. In ISS there were those little boxes that the shooter and goalkeeper controlled and a goal was scored only if the shooter's box could elude the goalkeeper's box. why has konami gone away from this? at least it added a bit of skill to penalties and gave you some control, rather than the method they have now, in which each kick is a total guess. anyone know?
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penalty kicks
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kihyeonseol
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actually the new way is better..youd know this if u actually played football and knew what the moments before a pk were like....the game gives u a split second to guess the direction once the shooter starts making his movements..or u can simply guess..just like real football...if you dont guess or ur too slow during that split second...you simply wont move..also watch the feet and movements of the shooter....just like real football...youll notice the way kicks are done in we6i and we6fe are much nicer...id hardly call 2 square blocks a better way to simulate real football...good luck regardless...hope u can enjoy this nice game....
TristanAbbott7
Starting XI
Eh?
Eh?
Realistic in that:
- You can only head the ball at scripted times when another player is within 20 pixels to your player?
- The CPU takes control of your defense on crosses?
- Players can make a perfect shot with their back turned to goal?
- Key players still use the wrong foot?
- The ball rebounds at 500mph even from a slow initial shot?
- Crosses are all perfect regardless of what direction your body was facing when you hit the ball?
- Goalkeepers have worse positioning than 3 year old kids?
- Goalkeepers sometimes got stuck in the actual goalpost?
- Players don't use the outside of their foot?
And as for your "players don't stop for no reason after a tackle" comment, in FIFA everytime a player gets tackled or his shot is saved in FIFA the player puts his arms in the air or complains while the defender if he has the ball just dribbles past him. The FIFA player won't react to rebounds because he's still moaning about the shot he missed. In WE/PES you can follow up the rebounds immediately, something you can do in REAL LIFE!
Dude, you have obviously never even seen WE/PES other than maybe a few screenshots let alone played it. Even the so-called fantastic graphics in FIFA are only good when you get a close up piece of scripted replay after a pice of gameplay. In normal viewing from any of the camera angles (except for the player cam which nobody on the FIFA forums has ever said is remotely playable as you can't see players more than five yards away from your player with the ball) the motion of FIFA players is the same as it was 5 years ago, jerky, slow responding and you can't tell that you've made all those uniform and facial amendments. In WE/PES the movement is fluid and the motion flawless. With FIFA it looks like remote-controlled robots moving down the field especially given they only have about 20 different animations in the entire game.
Go back to idiot land. Even the most ardent FIFA fan in the FIFA forums isn't quite as bad as you. They like their game, love being able to edit their game but most of them agree the gameplay sucks, is unrealistic and if the WE/PES series was available for their platform would switch over in an instance.
You are a joke - I hope you are becasue if not, you're the biggest fool we've yet seen on here.
Eh?
Realistic in that:
- You can only head the ball at scripted times when another player is within 20 pixels to your player?
- The CPU takes control of your defense on crosses?
- Players can make a perfect shot with their back turned to goal?
- Key players still use the wrong foot?
- The ball rebounds at 500mph even from a slow initial shot?
- Crosses are all perfect regardless of what direction your body was facing when you hit the ball?
- Goalkeepers have worse positioning than 3 year old kids?
- Goalkeepers sometimes got stuck in the actual goalpost?
- Players don't use the outside of their foot?
And as for your "players don't stop for no reason after a tackle" comment, in FIFA everytime a player gets tackled or his shot is saved in FIFA the player puts his arms in the air or complains while the defender if he has the ball just dribbles past him. The FIFA player won't react to rebounds because he's still moaning about the shot he missed. In WE/PES you can follow up the rebounds immediately, something you can do in REAL LIFE!
Dude, you have obviously never even seen WE/PES other than maybe a few screenshots let alone played it. Even the so-called fantastic graphics in FIFA are only good when you get a close up piece of scripted replay after a pice of gameplay. In normal viewing from any of the camera angles (except for the player cam which nobody on the FIFA forums has ever said is remotely playable as you can't see players more than five yards away from your player with the ball) the motion of FIFA players is the same as it was 5 years ago, jerky, slow responding and you can't tell that you've made all those uniform and facial amendments. In WE/PES the movement is fluid and the motion flawless. With FIFA it looks like remote-controlled robots moving down the field especially given they only have about 20 different animations in the entire game.
Go back to idiot land. Even the most ardent FIFA fan in the FIFA forums isn't quite as bad as you. They like their game, love being able to edit their game but most of them agree the gameplay sucks, is unrealistic and if the WE/PES series was available for their platform would switch over in an instance.
You are a joke - I hope you are becasue if not, you're the biggest fool we've yet seen on here.
Re: Eh?
PES is not very realistic, I own PES and FIFA and PES is just too frustrating:
- The defenders in PES part like the red sea and let your strikers dander on through
- Rebounds don't often seem to come back into play in PES
- Crosses are rarely perfect in PES. They crossing is terrible, too floaty and they usually go to a defender
- PES is not much better. You have no control where you kick the ball with your keeper or what power
- Goalkeepers can't cross their own line when diving for the ball, an invisible wall appears at the edge of the box on on the goal line
- It is nearly impossible to volley the ball, how many times do you see proper volleys scored in PES, especially from outside the box?
- You can beat round any player just by turning in 90 degree angles, how silly
At least in FIFA the programmers have made some effort to make the game look nice. In PES the makers just threw it together i about 5 mins and the kits look like crap.
You are the one from idiot land, stupid. Go back to idiot land. I am telling like it is, like Dr Phil, don't shoot the messenger. Ask any PEs fan if the points above are true, they are!! That's news for you, sister!! I'm talking down town. Sorry to tell you these things but your game is not as good as you have been hoodwinked into thinking. You can stay on the dark side but your are missing out big time, goober
And as for you biggest fool comment, that was just uncalled for, you wouldn't like it if you were new on a forum site and someone called you a toon supporting retard
PES is not very realistic, I own PES and FIFA and PES is just too frustrating:
- The defenders in PES part like the red sea and let your strikers dander on through
- Rebounds don't often seem to come back into play in PES
- Crosses are rarely perfect in PES. They crossing is terrible, too floaty and they usually go to a defender
- PES is not much better. You have no control where you kick the ball with your keeper or what power
- Goalkeepers can't cross their own line when diving for the ball, an invisible wall appears at the edge of the box on on the goal line
- It is nearly impossible to volley the ball, how many times do you see proper volleys scored in PES, especially from outside the box?
- You can beat round any player just by turning in 90 degree angles, how silly
At least in FIFA the programmers have made some effort to make the game look nice. In PES the makers just threw it together i about 5 mins and the kits look like crap.
You are the one from idiot land, stupid. Go back to idiot land. I am telling like it is, like Dr Phil, don't shoot the messenger. Ask any PEs fan if the points above are true, they are!! That's news for you, sister!! I'm talking down town. Sorry to tell you these things but your game is not as good as you have been hoodwinked into thinking. You can stay on the dark side but your are missing out big time, goober
And as for you biggest fool comment, that was just uncalled for, you wouldn't like it if you were new on a forum site and someone called you a toon supporting retard
Re: Re: Eh?
Hi dumbshoes, some things of what u said are true but... let's discuss
- The defenders in PES part like the red sea and let your strikers dander on through
Yes, but it's seems that i don't get it in we6 jap and we6fe. Most people said it's just a pes2 bug.
- Rebounds don't often seem to come back into play in PES
you mean rebounds off the gk? Most of the time, the gk tries to hit it over the crossbar but might have reacted too slow, so he could only fingertips the ball, which flew up, then he catch it after he got regaining his balance. Come'on in fifa 2003, the keeper always rockets the ball away or sits on the floor and already lost hope.
- Crosses are rarely perfect in PES. They crossing is terrible, too floaty and they usually go to a defender
that's true. But it happens in real life too. However, in pes/we you have to move your players in the box to get a good header or volley. If you don't move them, it will then depend on your luck.
To get a less floaty cross, try turning towards the box to cross or tab cross 2 times to get a lower and near post cross.
PES is not much better. You have no control where you kick the ball with your keeper or what power
true, but in real life, they always try to kick it as far as possible and throw them to the nearest defender in the direction you press. It's a good idea to implement a power ball like in virtual striker.
- Goalkeepers can't cross their own line when diving for the ball, an invisible wall appears at the edge of the box on on the goal line
I haven't seen that but are you sure they tried to dive through the air then drop straight down to the floor after hitting the 'wall'?
The programmers probably DID put an invisible wall but the animation should not be as stupid as what i said. There are 2 ways to make the penalty box. One is to put an invisible wall, the other is to specify the area where the gk can dive.
Obviously it's still better than GK in fifa handling the ball outside the area and get away with it.
- It is nearly impossible to volley the ball, how many times do you see proper volleys scored in PES, especially from outside the box?
Timing is important for this. you have to wait till the ball is near your body then press the shoot button. however, the defenders may have already headed the ball away. This makes sense just like in real life.
- You can beat round any player just by turning in 90 degree angles, how silly
yes, you can, just like in real life.
Hi dumbshoes, some things of what u said are true but... let's discuss
- The defenders in PES part like the red sea and let your strikers dander on through
Yes, but it's seems that i don't get it in we6 jap and we6fe. Most people said it's just a pes2 bug.
- Rebounds don't often seem to come back into play in PES
you mean rebounds off the gk? Most of the time, the gk tries to hit it over the crossbar but might have reacted too slow, so he could only fingertips the ball, which flew up, then he catch it after he got regaining his balance. Come'on in fifa 2003, the keeper always rockets the ball away or sits on the floor and already lost hope.
- Crosses are rarely perfect in PES. They crossing is terrible, too floaty and they usually go to a defender
that's true. But it happens in real life too. However, in pes/we you have to move your players in the box to get a good header or volley. If you don't move them, it will then depend on your luck.
To get a less floaty cross, try turning towards the box to cross or tab cross 2 times to get a lower and near post cross.
PES is not much better. You have no control where you kick the ball with your keeper or what power
true, but in real life, they always try to kick it as far as possible and throw them to the nearest defender in the direction you press. It's a good idea to implement a power ball like in virtual striker.
- Goalkeepers can't cross their own line when diving for the ball, an invisible wall appears at the edge of the box on on the goal line
I haven't seen that but are you sure they tried to dive through the air then drop straight down to the floor after hitting the 'wall'?
The programmers probably DID put an invisible wall but the animation should not be as stupid as what i said. There are 2 ways to make the penalty box. One is to put an invisible wall, the other is to specify the area where the gk can dive.
Obviously it's still better than GK in fifa handling the ball outside the area and get away with it.
- It is nearly impossible to volley the ball, how many times do you see proper volleys scored in PES, especially from outside the box?
Timing is important for this. you have to wait till the ball is near your body then press the shoot button. however, the defenders may have already headed the ball away. This makes sense just like in real life.
- You can beat round any player just by turning in 90 degree angles, how silly
yes, you can, just like in real life.
Originally posted by dumbshoes
Oh lighten up you stuffy git. Where can I get a proper debate about FIFA v PES without it being called an argument??
That afro smily is brilliantlooks just like ack
well.. there is a pes vs fifa forum... and I am lighten up.. but every single thread.. we can never talk about either game, because always someone says.. well.. fifa is worst.. or WE has this... I dont give a flying ****.. if I want to compare games I would go to a thread for the game comparisson.. sometimes I just wish we could actually criticize WE without some dumbass saying well.. play fifa.. or fifa is worst or **** like that.. is just annoying
TristanAbbott7
Starting XI
People do.
Some of the time people do criticize Konami on this forum whether it be the disaster that is ISS3 or 'bugs' in WE6:FE or whatever.
There is a FIFA v PES/WE/ISS forum but not many people bother going there to slug it out. The only thing about this guy that anooyed me wasn't that he was just criticizing PES/WE, that doesn't particularly bother me as people do that all the time, but that FIFA is more realistic. I don't think you'll find anybody on the FIFA forums who even agrees with that. They may love their faces, uniforms, etc. over there in the FIFA forum but just about every post calling for improvements in FIFA 2004 is for gameplay as FIFA 2003 had very poor gameplay. Surely it is gameplay that makes a game relaistic or not.
You're right, I shouldn't rise to the bait of some dork who comes on here looking for a flame war. He's entitled to his opinion even if even the FIFA fans wouldn't agree with him let alone the people on here.
Some of the time people do criticize Konami on this forum whether it be the disaster that is ISS3 or 'bugs' in WE6:FE or whatever.
There is a FIFA v PES/WE/ISS forum but not many people bother going there to slug it out. The only thing about this guy that anooyed me wasn't that he was just criticizing PES/WE, that doesn't particularly bother me as people do that all the time, but that FIFA is more realistic. I don't think you'll find anybody on the FIFA forums who even agrees with that. They may love their faces, uniforms, etc. over there in the FIFA forum but just about every post calling for improvements in FIFA 2004 is for gameplay as FIFA 2003 had very poor gameplay. Surely it is gameplay that makes a game relaistic or not.
You're right, I shouldn't rise to the bait of some dork who comes on here looking for a flame war. He's entitled to his opinion even if even the FIFA fans wouldn't agree with him let alone the people on here.
TristanAbbott7
Starting XI
Oh dear!
Plus I see he's a Spurs fan! Perhaps years and years of finishing in 10th place or there abouts have deluded him as to what realistic soccer/football is. Maybe if he went a few miles up the road and watched Arsenal he'd see how the game should be played!
Plus I see he's a Spurs fan! Perhaps years and years of finishing in 10th place or there abouts have deluded him as to what realistic soccer/football is. Maybe if he went a few miles up the road and watched Arsenal he'd see how the game should be played!
n_t_a_l_e_x
Reserve Team
Well, u know sometimes I see quite stupid arguments against WE/PES, BUT arguments well detailed.
I don’t think it’s from ea’s part (as far as I know ea reps can’t send any replays to this forum), but it looks so similar to find out opinions about some details.
I.e.
- defenders in PES part
- rebounds from keeper
- another keepers details (kick the ball, acting in box)
- volley the ball
- dribbling
All mentioned details are completely bad in fifa.
And I think those discussions are much useful for producers (programmers) than any wishlists.
Just my opinion %)
I don’t think it’s from ea’s part (as far as I know ea reps can’t send any replays to this forum), but it looks so similar to find out opinions about some details.
I.e.
- defenders in PES part
- rebounds from keeper
- another keepers details (kick the ball, acting in box)
- volley the ball
- dribbling
All mentioned details are completely bad in fifa.
And I think those discussions are much useful for producers (programmers) than any wishlists.
Just my opinion %)
Re: Re: Re: Eh?
Thanks for your opinions
Tristan Abbott, that's right all the trophies Arsenal won this season has just bowled me over
Originally posted by iceboy
Hi dumbshoes, some things of what u said are true but... let's discuss
- The defenders in PES part like the red sea and let your strikers dander on through
Yes, but it's seems that i don't get it in we6 jap and we6fe. Most people said it's just a pes2 bug.
Glad to see they have address this problem, but I will have to see for myself if this is true.
- Rebounds don't often seem to come back into play in PES
you mean rebounds off the gk? Most of the time, the gk tries to hit it over the crossbar but might have reacted too slow, so he could only fingertips the ball, which flew up, then he catch it after he got regaining his balance. sorry I can't see what point you are making here ????? The keeper sometimes pushes the ball into the air but normally cathces it again. This isn't a rebound.
- Crosses are rarely perfect in PES. They crossing is terrible, too floaty and they usually go to a defender
that's true. But it happens in real life too. However, in pes/we you have to move your players in the box to get a good header or volley. If you don't move them, it will then depend on your luck.Yes floaty crosses happen in real life, that's feckin' obvious. But what if you dont want a floaty cross to the back post and you want to drill it over?? Impossible!! you can only get power on low type crosses when double/triple tapping it but you sacrifice power for height.
And more often than not the crosses go straight to a defender. When you fire in a cross you have little to no time to try and position your player under it, and why should you have to?? If the ball itself was a good one it should go to your player, not just thrown into a crowd of defenders. Very frustrating.
To get a less floaty cross, try turning towards the box to cross or tab cross 2 times to get a lower and near post cross.
I know how to do this, I have played the game to death. This provides NO help for good crosses to the back stick
PES is not much better. You have no control where you kick the ball with your keeper or what power
true, but in real life, they always try to kick it as far as possible and throw them to the nearest defender in the direction you press. It's a good idea to implement a power ball like in virtual striker.
no, in real life you can kick the ball in whatever direction you want with whatever power you want. Are you trying to say keepers just get the ball and try and smack it as far as possible every time?? pffft.
And you can't choose who the ball is thrown to. The computer decides this.
- Goalkeepers can't cross their own line when diving for the ball, an invisible wall appears at the edge of the box on on the goal line
I haven't seen that but are you sure they tried to dive through the air then drop straight down to the floor after hitting the 'wall'?
The programmers probably DID put an invisible wall but the animation should not be as stupid as what i said. There are 2 ways to make the penalty box. One is to put an invisible wall, the other is to specify the area where the gk can dive.
Obviously it's still better than GK in fifa handling the ball outside the area and get away with it.
or a third and proper way is to use the ISS method which is that the keeper let's go of the ball if his slide takes him outside the box and not just stop dead so he doesnt knock down one of the invisible walls
- It is nearly impossible to volley the ball, how many times do you see proper volleys scored in PES, especially from outside the box?
Timing is important for this. you have to wait till the ball is near your body then press the shoot button. however, the defenders may have already headed the ball away. This makes sense just like in real life.
in real life volleying is much simpler
- You can beat round any player just by turning in 90 degree angles, how silly
yes, you can, just like in real life.
again that is crap, I would like to see Ryan Giggs next season running one direction then to beat a player continually change direction by turning in the direction he just came from. That is stupid, I want to know what rel life games you watch cos they so very much like a computer game to me.
Thanks for your opinions
Tristan Abbott, that's right all the trophies Arsenal won this season has just bowled me over
spurs rulz??? What kind of English is that? Damn I think you need to go back to Kindergarden to learn how to do a proper sig.
But mine is in English...whoever said my sig was going for the "great" look? Anywho...Red Devils your either a girl or a 11 year old boy by the way you talk. It sounds like a kid trying to put snetences together
"Dumbshoes I agree with what you said! You are right! You have a cool sig! El Piojo does not!"
FIFA is garbage. WE rules all!
When FIFA can header the ball maybe I will give it a look see
"Dumbshoes I agree with what you said! You are right! You have a cool sig! El Piojo does not!"
FIFA is garbage. WE rules all!
When FIFA can header the ball maybe I will give it a look see