Online Cheating? (option file)

[sreddy]

Has the possiblity to use other squads online than default not oppened a big highway for cheating?

I am not sure how it works, but the option file changer http://www.celeborn.co.uk/para-w8_changer.exe and pes4online, it seems that some are playing using default squads and others are using updated squads (the wolf3.1 option file).

Is it possible to prevent 2 different option files being in use at the same time?

My mate had Eto´o on his squad (barca) by using the file, and the player was Saviola on the other computer

Do you follow my point? Is cheating possible with the tool?

 

[sreddy]

Retry

Just tried with a mate.

He had updated the option file via the tool.

Vi played Barca vs Barca.

On his Screen, Eto´o and Deco was in starting lineup.

On my screen, Louis Garcia and Saviola was in the stating lineup.


Their stats was completely different. Their apperarence too in the match. Which stat will the match-events be calculated by?

This is so weird and actually annoying that the kinds of tools are made.

 

[sreddy]

Cant anyone else see the problem???????

We need a tool that checks that both options files online is IDENTICAL.

Now in a Wolf-thread, there is talking about editing stats for players. Already it is a nightmare that players can play using different option files and therefore completely different players.

In Online-games, on one computer Luis Garcia is making Liverpool look good, makin goals, on the other computer he is not in the team and it is a completely different player. How crappy is that??

I love that people make patches for singleplayer games, but I really hate that there are been made option files for online games, as it creates so many stupid differences and potential cheating. It must never happend that 2 players playing against each other has different squad on their screens.

 

[Pepigno]

I believe the pes4 online launcher has en altered para8 file.
When I downloaded the latest version and started the exe file. It gave a message saying I had a wrong Para8 file. Backuped my original para8 file and overwrote it with the one from the peslauncher.

I then played online with some guy I didn't know and we both had the right players lineups (Eto'o at barca for example)

 

[runningtings]

yeh this is what happened to me as well.
seems to be the same line-ups now...

 

[Celeborn]

It was never meant to be a cheating tool, and isnt a cheatin tool. Players were editing stats on their own to 99 levels to cheat in online ladders / leagues. To combat this, for pes4online we created it so that it would make sure everyone have exactly the same lineups (which we chose to provide an updated version) and then lock the file so it could not be changed while pes4online is running. Like it or not, it was the only way, and IS the only way to guarantee a cheat free game online. Why provide updated rosters? Well, every release of an option file now comes with their own para_w8.bin: and there is the legitimate reason of editing it to have latest transfers.

Of course I understand that people may want to get back to default rosters for leagues / ladders that require it... so the whole purpose with para-w8 changer was to help users get to that original file easily. Perhaps I will take out the option to "upgrade" the rosters and just let it downgrade to the defaults?

 

[gian]

Erm please don't post 3 posts in a row use edit button instead

 

[Pepigno]

Originally posted by Celeborn
It was never meant to be a cheating tool, and isnt a cheatin tool. Players were editing stats on their own to 99 levels to cheat in online ladders / leagues. To combat this, for pes4online we created it so that it would make sure everyone have exactly the same lineups (which we chose to provide an updated version) and then lock the file so it could not be changed while pes4online is running. Like it or not, it was the only way, and IS the only way to guarantee a cheat free game online. Why provide updated rosters? Well, every release of an option file now comes with their own para_w8.bin: and there is the legitimate reason of editing it to have latest transfers.

Of course I understand that people may want to get back to default rosters for leagues / ladders that require it... so the whole purpose with para-w8 changer was to help users get to that original file easily. Perhaps I will take out the option to "upgrade" the rosters and just let it downgrade to the defaults?

I really like the idea you guys brought up! Please don't remove this new feature. I'am not always able to download the latest option files, or find it hard to keep up with all the updates.
It is a great way to prefent cheaters, who are trying to spoil a superb game of footy! And you always have the latest line up!!

(do you guys use wolfs option file?)

 

[Celeborn]

The current version for pes4online is based on Wolfs 3.1 option file (so December period). I've just submitted a latest file to skn3 for 1.8.3 - which is based on Wolfs 2005 version with all the latest transfers, but with Konami standard stats. Hopefully he can get round to releasing it soon.

 

[Pepigno]

Originally posted by Celeborn
The current version for pes4online is based on Wolfs 3.1 option file (so December period). I've just submitted a latest file to skn3 for 1.8.3 - which is based on Wolfs 2005 version with all the latest transfers, but with Konami standard stats. Hopefully he can get round to releasing it soon.

Super! Cause I find wolfs linups great!

 

[Kotp]

Originally posted by Celeborn
It was never meant to be a cheating tool, and isnt a cheatin tool. Players were editing stats on their own to 99 levels to cheat in online ladders / leagues. To combat this, for pes4online we created it so that it would make sure everyone have exactly the same lineups (which we chose to provide an updated version) and then lock the file so it could not be changed while pes4online is running. Like it or not, it was the only way, and IS the only way to guarantee a cheat free game online.

This isn't entirely true , although it is a very good anti cheat measure.

We have been testing the use of each person playing with 99 Stats and so far its been a huge success.

This way you are Guaranteed there is no cheating , simply because both players are playing with the highest ratings for each player and can't improve their ability any further, those that have used it so far have given it the thumbs up approval.

It also provides a completely level playing field as each player has no advantage over the other as both sets of players are exactly the same Skill wise.

We use this for Winning Eleven 8 due to the Online Play as Client being 100x better than PES4 and its all going extremely well indeed.

 

[Pepigno]

Originally posted by Kotp
This isn't entirely true , although it is a very good anti cheat measure.

We have been testing the use of each person playing with 99 Stats and so far its been a huge success.

This way you are Guaranteed there is no cheating , simply because both players are playing with the highest ratings for each player and can't improve their ability any further, those that have used it so far have given it the thumbs up approval.

It also provides a completely level playing field as each player has no advantage over the other as both sets of players are exactly the same Skill wise.

We use this for Winning Eleven 8 due to the Online Play as Client being 100x better than PES4 and its all going extremely well indeed.

But doesn't this affect the realisme of the game? I don't like the idea!

 

[MasterM]

true, sometimes i want a challenge and choose on purpose a team with less skills. And now in theory you can place each player on each positions since all the stats are 99. I takes away the whole purpose of the game and takes it back to the soccer games in 1990 where every player was exactly the same.

 

[Kotp]

Originally posted by Pepigno
But doesn't this affect the realisme of the game? I don't like the idea!

When were talking about Online Play for say a Ladder or your involved in a League then steps like this to ensure a level playing field have to be used.

As for taking away any of the Realism , well weve been playing this way now for a few days and we in fact find the games a lot more exciting than they were previously.

 

[Pepigno]

Originally posted by Kotp
When were talking about Online Play for say a Ladder or your involved in a League then steps like this to ensure a level playing field have to be used.

As for taking away any of the Realism , well weve been playing this way now for a few days and we in fact find the games a lot more exciting than they were previously.

Thats true, played a tournament recently were I was Southampton against Real Madrid? Teams were randomly chosen.. I did like the challange but I didn't have any chance (or maybe this was because my opponent was just better then me, nah he wasn't )

 

[Celeborn]

Wait; so instead of learning the strengths and weaknesses of each player (in my opinion, what makes PES4 stand out among other football games) - everyone is as good as they can be? What is the point? Does it stop cheaters? Well, not really, since EVERYONE is cheating; and at some point these players will play a game outside of your league - forget or not bother about changing the rosters, so cheat against others; and overall at the detriment of realism and fun. God, I hate normal players but with Red arrows as I think it makes the game too easy, let alone 99 stats as well?

If I wanted that kind of boring arcadey game, I would play FIFA :P

 

[niceman]

Originally posted by Celeborn
Wait; so instead of learning the strengths and weaknesses of each player (in my opinion, what makes PES4 stand out among other football games) - everyone is as good as they can be? What is the point? Does it stop cheaters? Well, not really, since EVERYONE is cheating; and at some point these players will play a game outside of your league - forget or not bother about changing the rosters, so cheat against others; and overall at the detriment of realism and fun. God, I hate normal players but with Red arrows as I think it makes the game too easy, let alone 99 stats as well?

If I wanted that kind of boring arcadey game, I would play FIFA :P

I only cheat against better players!

 

[Kotp]

Originally posted by Celeborn
Wait; so instead of learning the strengths and weaknesses of each player (in my opinion, what makes PES4 stand out among other football games) - everyone is as good as they can be? What is the point? Does it stop cheaters? Well, not really, since EVERYONE is cheating; and at some point these players will play a game outside of your league - forget or not bother about changing the rosters, so cheat against others; and overall at the detriment of realism and fun. God, I hate normal players but with Red arrows as I think it makes the game too easy, let alone 99 stats as well?

If I wanted that kind of boring arcadey game, I would play FIFA :P

Your missing the Point here ... who actualy says you cant play with whatever option file you want ?

My point was that if your playing in a Professionaly Run League that has Cash Prizes then some sort of Level Playing Field needs to be introduced so that every player starts with no advantage over another in terms of actual Game Skill Stats.