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Panama 0
FINAL: Salcido who for me was also MoM....
Panama 0
FINAL: Salcido who for me was also MoM....
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Official Mexican National Team Thread: Seleccion Nacional de Mexico
- Thread starter jimorrizon
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jimorrizon
Banned
Mexico 1
Costa Rica 0
FINAL: Borgetti / MoM: Torrado
Costa Rica 0
FINAL: Borgetti / MoM: Torrado
johncmcleod
Youth Team
I'm a Mexican citizen but I have to say Mexican soccer has never impressed me. Despite their reputation, love for the game, and massive population, their national team has never performed well. They've hosted two world cups and never made it past the quarter-finals. Now they can't even compete with the US national team. They don't even have that many players on their NT playing in the top leagues in Europe. If I remember correctly Marquez was the only player in their 2006 WC squad playing outside of Mexico. The only thing Mexico has ever done is beat up on weak CONCACAF teams and see their FIFA rating soar way too high because of it. And the Gold Cup is showing that they can't even do that anymore. At the very least they should've stuck with La Volpe. He was a good manager.
jimorrizon
Banned
SEMI:
Mexico 1
Guadalupe 0
FINAL: Pardo who was also MoM
2007 GOLD CUP FINAL:
MEXICO v.s. usa
Mexico 1
Guadalupe 0
FINAL: Pardo who was also MoM
2007 GOLD CUP FINAL:
MEXICO v.s. usa
jimorrizon
Banned
johncmcleod;2346034 said:
interesting signature but either way i will post my response.:mexican:
first im a Chicano which means American of Mexican descent and proud of it.
Mexican soccer not impressing you is your opinion but I can say the same
about MLS which I do not even consider a league cause there is no
relegation or promotion and only 13 teams. I beg to differ in that Mexican
team can't compete because yes the u.s has defeated Mexico in the most
recent matches but they have all been in the u.s territory. Simple fact is u.s
has never defeated Mexico in Mexican soil and well Mexico has defeated the
u.s many times in the u.s. In 2006 Mexico only had one player in Europe but
now in the present there are 5 in Europe. Marquez with Barcelona who
will probably be transfered to A.C. Milan, Pavel Pardo and Ricardo
Osorio with Vfb Stuttgart both starters for their team, Champions of
Bundesliga and 2nd Place in League Cup, Pardo voted as 3rd best player in all
of Bundesliga according to kicker.de (most famous German soccer
newspaper) and may I add all of this in their 1st season, Carlos Salcido
with PSV Eindhoven also Champion Dutch League and Finally Nery
Castillo Champion with Olympiakos. There also Giovanni Dos Santos
in Barca B but will be moved 1st Barcelona team for 07/08 season and
Carlos Vela who is property of Arsenal but can't play in EPL because of
British sporting laws. It is not Mexico's fault that they are located in the
CONCACAF the weakest zone globally in football but so is the u.s so both
beat on weak Concacaf teams. Maybe you did not see 2006 Confederations
Cup so i'll refresh your memory Mexico defeated Brazil 1 - 0 with all of their
star players except Ronaldo. Only thing I agree with you is that they should
have stuck with Lavolpe but that was never going to happen. but instead of
Hugo Mexican Federation should have hired a world famous coach....
jimorrizon
Banned
List of Players for Copa America:
Oswaldo Sánchez (1) Portero Santos
Guillermo Ochoa (13) Portero América
Johnny Magallón (2) Defensa Chivas
Fco. Javier Rodríguez (22) Defensa Chivas
Rafael Márquez (4) Defensa Barcelona
Gonzalo Pineda (14) Defensa Chivas
Israel Castro (5) Defensa Pumas
José Antonio Castro (15) Defensa América
Fausto Pinto (3) Defensa Pachuca
Jaime Lozano (16) Medio Tigres
Jaime Correa (8) Medio Pachuca
Ramón Morales (11) Medio Chivas
Gerardo Torrado
Medio Cruz Azul
Alberto Medina (7) Medio Chivas
Fernando Arce (20) Delantero Morelia
Andrés Guardado (18) Medio Atlas
Juan Carlos Cacho (12) Delantero Pachuca
Nery Castillo (21) Delantero Olympiakos
Cuauhtémoc Blanco (10) Delantero América
Adolfo Bautista (17) Delantero Chivas
Jared Borgetti (9) Delantero Cruz Azul
Omar Bravo (19) Delantero Chivas
Oswaldo Sánchez (1) Portero Santos
Guillermo Ochoa (13) Portero América
Johnny Magallón (2) Defensa Chivas
Fco. Javier Rodríguez (22) Defensa Chivas
Rafael Márquez (4) Defensa Barcelona
Gonzalo Pineda (14) Defensa Chivas
Israel Castro (5) Defensa Pumas
José Antonio Castro (15) Defensa América
Fausto Pinto (3) Defensa Pachuca
Jaime Lozano (16) Medio Tigres
Jaime Correa (8) Medio Pachuca
Ramón Morales (11) Medio Chivas
Gerardo Torrado
Medio Cruz Azul Alberto Medina (7) Medio Chivas
Fernando Arce (20) Delantero Morelia
Andrés Guardado (18) Medio Atlas
Juan Carlos Cacho (12) Delantero Pachuca
Nery Castillo (21) Delantero Olympiakos
Cuauhtémoc Blanco (10) Delantero América
Adolfo Bautista (17) Delantero Chivas
Jared Borgetti (9) Delantero Cruz Azul
Omar Bravo (19) Delantero Chivas
jimorrizon
Banned
Mexico 1
us 2
FINAL: MoM - Nery Castillo
Seems Borgetti is out for Copa America lets hope Hugo calls Kikin Fonseca....
us 2
FINAL: MoM - Nery Castillo
Seems Borgetti is out for Copa America lets hope Hugo calls Kikin Fonseca....
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Great game Mexico. I didn't like some of Hugo's comments at the end of the game (the penalty was beyond accurate), but the players on the field for you are very good. I am not excited about going against Castillo, Guardado, and Vela for the next 10 years. It was also the most sporting game from either side I have seen in this rivalry. There were no intentionally violent incidents from either team, which was refreshing.
johncmcleod
Youth Team
How long has the Mexican league been around? MLS has been around for 11 seasons and is the professional league of a sport which isn't in America's top five. How can you expect it to be any good? As for the leagues, we have two or three player development leagues below the MLS, we just don't have relegation because it is not part of the American sports tradition. But in comparing the two leagues I don't think there is much difference in the level of play. We'll see once they set up the CL style tournament with US and Mexican teams, but the MLS teams have played well in exhibition matches against Mexican teams.
As for the national team, the US routinely beats Mexico now. They struggle playing in Mexico City, but the pollution and climate there is absolutely stifling for the Americans because of what they're used to. It may be a while before we're consistently successful on Mexican soil, but also keep in mind that our NT couldn't qualify for a world cup until the 90's. We're pretty new to this and our professional league started recently.
As for the Mexican side, yes, you do have 5 players in Europe now. But can you really count the Greek league? It's probably no better than the Mexican league or MLS. The Bundesliga isn't good any more either, neither is the Eredivisie. The problem is you only have one (possibly two) playing in one of the big three (la liga, serie a, premiership). The USMT has several, including Howard, Hanneman, Onyewu, Bocanegra, Convey, Beasley, Dempsey, etc.
Yes, you did beat Brazil in the Confederations Cup, and yes, they had most of their stars in, but we all know that it's not a prestigious tournament. But is that all you have to show for the Mexican side? All of those world cups they've been to, and their greatest achievement was a Confederations Cup game?
It's not that I don't think the Mexican NT is good, I just don't think it's good when you consider it's circumstances. Mexican is a huge country with a large population that loves the sport just as any other Latin country does. But historically, they can't even compare to a nation like Argentina or Brazil. Because of CONCACAF they make every world cup, but they've never even made it to the semi-finals. The US has been there. I just think that a country with Mexico's population and its passion for the game should have a national team that's won at least a few world cups. Mexico's population is almost three times Argentina's and the game is just as popular in both places. So why does Argentina have two world cups and Mexico has never even been to the semi finals (despite hosting 2 world cups)?
And if we were to compare Mexico to European national teams, their performance is embarrassing considering their population. Holland's been to two finals and their population is only 16 million (Mexico is 109 million).
You can't use the same argument against the USA though. It's expected for the USNT to not be any good because of how unpopular soccer is here. If it were the number one sport and our team was as good as we are now, it would be pathetic. But despite soccer not being a mainstream sport (all of our good athletes play football or basketball), our NT is still pretty good.
As for the national team, the US routinely beats Mexico now. They struggle playing in Mexico City, but the pollution and climate there is absolutely stifling for the Americans because of what they're used to. It may be a while before we're consistently successful on Mexican soil, but also keep in mind that our NT couldn't qualify for a world cup until the 90's. We're pretty new to this and our professional league started recently.
As for the Mexican side, yes, you do have 5 players in Europe now. But can you really count the Greek league? It's probably no better than the Mexican league or MLS. The Bundesliga isn't good any more either, neither is the Eredivisie. The problem is you only have one (possibly two) playing in one of the big three (la liga, serie a, premiership). The USMT has several, including Howard, Hanneman, Onyewu, Bocanegra, Convey, Beasley, Dempsey, etc.
Yes, you did beat Brazil in the Confederations Cup, and yes, they had most of their stars in, but we all know that it's not a prestigious tournament. But is that all you have to show for the Mexican side? All of those world cups they've been to, and their greatest achievement was a Confederations Cup game?
It's not that I don't think the Mexican NT is good, I just don't think it's good when you consider it's circumstances. Mexican is a huge country with a large population that loves the sport just as any other Latin country does. But historically, they can't even compare to a nation like Argentina or Brazil. Because of CONCACAF they make every world cup, but they've never even made it to the semi-finals. The US has been there. I just think that a country with Mexico's population and its passion for the game should have a national team that's won at least a few world cups. Mexico's population is almost three times Argentina's and the game is just as popular in both places. So why does Argentina have two world cups and Mexico has never even been to the semi finals (despite hosting 2 world cups)?
And if we were to compare Mexico to European national teams, their performance is embarrassing considering their population. Holland's been to two finals and their population is only 16 million (Mexico is 109 million).
You can't use the same argument against the USA though. It's expected for the USNT to not be any good because of how unpopular soccer is here. If it were the number one sport and our team was as good as we are now, it would be pathetic. But despite soccer not being a mainstream sport (all of our good athletes play football or basketball), our NT is still pretty good.
jimorrizon
Banned
1st Round Copa America:
Mexico 2
Brazil 0
FINAL: Nery n Ramoncito / MoM: Nery Castillo
Mexico 2
Brazil 0
FINAL: Nery n Ramoncito / MoM: Nery Castillo
johncmcleod
Youth Team
Perfect timing. However, that was pretty much Brazil's C squad, and it's just the Copa America.
Thanks for your two cents. They're very much appreciated.
johncmcleod;2351289 said:
There's not a "much difference" in level of play?
MLS team have played well in exhibition matches against Mexican teams?
How many times has an MLS team won over a Mexican team?
Let's take the Concacaf Champions Cup as a place to compare the MLS and the FMF:
-MLS teams have 9 victories 4 Draws and 15 losses against Mexican teams.
-A fact is though, an MLS team has never won in Mexico.
-Since 1997, when the MLS started to participate, Mexican teams have won the cup 6 times, Costa Rican teams 2 times, and MLS teams 2 times.
-Overall, Mexican teams have won the cup 23 times, with Costa Rica following with 6.
How about outside of Concacaf?
-A Mexican team became the champion of the Sudamerican last year.
-Mexican teams always compete toe-to-toe with any south-american team in Copa Libertadores, and have advanced to the Final, and Semi-Finals several times.
-Even Bottom-table Mexican teams are able to advance from the Group Stage of Libertadores.
-DC united lost to Colo-Colo in their only participation of Copa Sudamericana.
Yep, the US has never beat the Mexican NT in Mexico.
The Bundesliga isn't good?
Ok ok... I'll stop laughing now.
Hmm, we've had 9 players in Europe.
(Hugo, Marquez, Salcido, Borguetti, Blanco, Palencia, Osorio, Pardo, Nery)
They've won;
Leagues: 6 Spanish La Liga titles, 1 German Bundesliga title, 1 French League Title, 1 Greek Title, 1 Eredivisie Title.
Cups: 1 Champions League title, 1 UEFA Cup title, 2 Copa del Rey titles.
That's a pretty good ratio, considering the number of players.
-China, India, and Iran have never won a world cup.
According to your argument, they should have more world cups that anyone else.
-Russia has also never won a world cup.
-Their population is bigger than any other euro country.
-The US made it to the semi-finals in 1930.
Brazil and Argentina were just taking baby steps back then.
Right...
I don't know what you have against Mexico, but don't compare the US to Mexico when it comes to football. Just like we don't compare ourselfs to Brazil and Argentina. Yes, you have won a few games against us in the recent years, but I can say that we are in a transitional period right now, even though you guys have gotten a whole lot better.
Don't talk about Mexican Football, if you don't know anything about Mexican Football.
Start watching some Mexican League or Libertadores games, to get alittle more knowledge about us.
johncmcleod;2351375 said:
That's pretty much all of Dunga's selected team actually, except for Kaka and Ronaldinho, that didn't want to play. Our's was the B team. We were missing Blanco, Borguetti, Salcido, Osorio, Medina, Guardado, and Pardo.
Copa America doesn't matter?
Why did Argentina bring their A-team then?
Why did everyone else bring their A-team?
Does the Euro Cup matter?
It's the same thing...
C'mon, stop playing around already...
Edit: Please take a peak at this page if you want to see the history of Mexico vs US in football.
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/mexusares.html
You have a long way to go.
jimorrizon
Banned
damn just looked at it and it took u.s team 46 years to beat Mexico after defeating them in first match USA 4 - 2 Mexico / II World Cup Qualifying. and the americans are currently braggin about how Mexico cant beat them the last matches in past 2 years. give me a break, the facts speak for themselves....
Mexico had a great defense, Magallon, Castro, Marquez and Pinto did a great job stoping Robinho and Vagner Love! And what a performance Ochoa had, unbelivable same goes for Nery Castillo although he had some selfish plays throughout the game! Overall great performance by el tri, viva Mexico!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pENBzZ4aGp4
Even though you can tell a US fan made thi video, it's pretty cool, check it out!
Even though you can tell a US fan made thi video, it's pretty cool, check it out!
johncmcleod
Youth Team
You have to keep in mind that the MLS has only been around for 11 years and the level of play improves every year. A lot of these games were played back when the MLS was much worse and had fewer teams. But they're going to set up a CL style tournament with Mexican and MLS teams soon, and we'll see what happens then.
It's definitely not the Premiership or La Liga. I'll give it to you though, the Mexican team does have some rising young players playing in Europe. Too bad every soccer powerhouse has that and more.
I can't believe you're even bringing up this argument. Can you even compare the place of football in those countries compared to Mexico? It has been getting more popular in those places recently but football was almost nonexistent in them not very long ago and still isn't too popular. However, there is a very strong football tradition in Mexico (at least it's always been hugely popular there). It's the country's passion and national sport, and despite their massive population they don't compare to much smaller nations where the game isn't any more popular.
I don't have anything against Mexico, I'm a Mexican citizen. I'm just pointing out that despite hosting two world cups the MNT has never been too successful at a world cup but some seem to regard them as a powerhouse with a lot of history. And I don't see why we can't compare ourselves to Mexico in football. Yes, you have historically dominated us. But for christ's sake the MLS started in 96! We didn't have any world cups from 50-90 as no one in our country even played the sport. But now people are starting to play and we have a financially stable league. Our MNT now dominates Mexico as long as the game is played in a place where the air isn't thoroughly contaminated. Historically, no, we can't compare to Mexico. However, now we have a stable league, the sport is gaining in popularity, and American soccer is getting better all of the time. I think this is the beginning of an era of American domination in CONCACAF. I don't think we'll ever be a superpower along the likes England or Holland (Brazil and Argentina are certainly out of the question), but we're getting better all of the time.
As for the Brazil argument, yes, congrats on the game. But do I have to remind you of what happened earlier this month? The loss to Honduras? Their stunning 2-1 victory over Cuba? The game against Guadolupe? Even if you include the Brazil game, the MNT hasn't played well at all as of late.
And for how many of those 46 years did we actually have people in the US playing football?
If the only thing you can do is compare Mexico to the US, than you're in trouble. I don't claim that the US is a great team. What I am trying to point out is that despite Mexico's huge population, love for the game, automatic qualification for every World Cup due to CONCACAF, and two home world cups, they've never performed well internationally. Every nation that has ever hosted a WC has made it out of the group stage, and despite hosting two, Mexico has only gotten one game farther than that. Even when the US hosted it in 94 we got out of the group stage. Though the semi-final the US made it to was in 1930, we beat Mexico in 02 to get to the quarterfinal, which is as far as they've ever gotten. We would've gone farther too if it weren't for poor officiating. And let's look at the countries that have gotten farther than Mexico in the World Cup. Belgium's played in a semi-final. Croatia has played in a semi final. Korea and Turkey have too. The same goes for Bulgaria, Poland, Portugal, Uruguay (and in the cup Mexico hosted, too), the USSR, Austria, Yugoslavia, and Chile. Out of all places Chile has been to a semi-final and Mexico hasn't.