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North Korea

bugatti

Youth Team
North Korea should be worrying all of us (mostly only Bush and Blair) a hell of a lot more than Saddam. Recenlty Korea said that they would have no problems using nuclear arms against the rest of the world. Not just USA or Britain. I don't know if it's a bluff, but they certainly have the capabilities, and have been working below the radar for long enough, that I think they's do it.

A recent AP article said this:
SEOUL, South Korea (March 2) - North Korea warned Sunday of ''nuclear disasters'' around the world if Washington attacks the communist state, while its civilian leaders urged greater cooperation between Pyongyang and Seoul to ease the crisis on the Korean Peninsula.

The North's official Rodong Sinmun newspaper accused the Central Intelligence Agency of preparing a surprise attack on the nation's nuclear facilities that are suspected of being used to make atomic bombs.

''If the U.S. imperialists ignite a war on the Korean Peninsula, the war will turn into a nuclear war,'' Rodong said. ''As a consequence, the Koreans in the north and south and the people in Asia and the rest of the world will suffer horrifying nuclear disasters.''

The report, carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, claimed that Washington put its forces around the peninsula on ''semi-war footing'' and ''is pushing ahead with nuclear war preparations in full swing.''

Pyongyang accuses Washington of inciting the nuclear standoff as a pretext for an invasion. Washington has repeatedly said it has no plans to attack North Korea, but stresses that ''all options are on the table.''

In Seoul on Sunday, North Korea's religious and civic leaders took part in inter-Korean religious masses and urged greater cooperation between the two Koreas.

''Preventing war through national cooperation is the most urgent task of the nation,'' said Ri Mun Hwan, a senior North Korean delegate. ''If war breaks out, the South cannot be safe and the entire nation will face disaster.''

Another delegate, Oh Kyung Woo, said the ''United States is threatening a nuclear war, but if war breaks out both South and North will incur damages,'' according to South Korea's national Yonhap news agency.

''Foreign forces will never give us reunification. We must cooperate with each other,'' Oh was quoted as saying.

The comments were made during religious masses at a cathedral, a church, a Buddhist temple and other religious locations, which were attended by thousands of South Koreans.

The ceremonies were a part of an inter-Korean festival to mark the anniversary of a major independence uprising against Japanese colonial rule on March 1, 1919.

Pyongyang sent 105 delegates to Seoul on Saturday for the three-day festival. Both Koreas mark the uprising as a major holiday. Japan ruled the peninsula from 1910 to 1945.

Rodong, monitored by South Korea's national Yonhap news agency, reiterated that the North's nuclear activities were ''strictly for peaceful purposes and poses no threat to anyone.''

''Crushing the U.S. plot to attack North Korea is a very important issue related to peace and safety of Asia and the world, the existence and future of mankind,'' Rodong said.

Raising tensions last week, North Korea test-fired a missile into the sea off its east coast. Pyongyang also reactivated a 5-megawatt reactor that could produce plutonium for nuclear weapons, U.S. and South Korean officials said.

On Saturday, North Korea said nuclear war could break out on the peninsula at ''any moment,'' after South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun warned of a ''calamity'' unless the standoff is resolved peacefully and quickly.

The dispute flared in October when Washington said North Korea had admitted pursuing a nuclear program, which violated a 1994 pact.

Washington and its allies cut off oil shipments to the impoverished communist state. The North responded by saying it would reactivate its frozen facilities. It also expelled U.N. monitors and withdrew from the global Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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It's a lose/lose.
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Ha! I was just about to start a thread on North Korea as well, so congrats for beating me to it.

Anyway, my slant was slightly different, but related. We all know the connections that members of the Bush administration have to Saddam and Iraq's weapons program. But was anyone aware that a certain Donald Rumsfeld is also profiting from the development of nuclear technology in North Korea??? Read on, and pergaps we can see a reason why North Korea is being handled 'differently' to Iraq at the present time. Like, 200 million reasons...
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Chris Floyd: 'Rumsfeld filled his pockets with Korea's nuclear loot'

It's a well-known fact -- oft detailed in these pages -- that the boys
in the Bush Regime swing both ways. We speak, of course, of their
proclivity -- their apparently uncontrollable craving -- for stuffing
their trousers with loot from both sides of whatever war or military
crisis is going at the moment.

That's why it came as no surprise to read last week that just before he
joined the Regime's crusade against evildoers everywhere (especially
rogue states that pursue the development of terrorist-ready weapons of
mass destruction), Pentagon warlord Donald Rumsfeld was trousering the
proceeds from a $200 million deal to send the latest nuclear technology
-- including plenty of terrorist-ready "dirty bomb" material -- to the
rogue state of North Korea, Neue Zurcher Zeitung reports.

In 1998, Rumsfeld was citizen chairman of the Congressional Ballistic
Missile Threat Commission, charged with reducing nuclear proliferation.
Rumsfeld and the Republican-heavy commission came down hard on the deal
Bill Clinton had brokered with North Korea to avert a war in 1994:
Pyongyang would give up its nuclear weapons program in exchange for
normalized relations with the United States, plus the construction of
two non-weaponized nuclear plants to generate electricity. The plants
were to be built by an international consortium of government-backed
business interests called KEDO.

Rum deal, said Rummy: Those nasty Northies would surely turn the
peaceful nukes to nefarious ends. What's more, even the most innocuous
nuclear plant generates mounds of radioactive waste that could be made
into "dirty bombs" -- hand-carried weapons capable of killing thousands
of people. The agreement was big bad juju that threatened the whole
world, Rumsfeld declared.

Of course, that didn't prevent him from trying to profit from it. Even
while chairing commission meetings on the "dire threat" posed by the
Korean program, Rumsfeld was junketing to Zurich for board meetings of
the Swiss-based energy technology giant, ABB, where he was a top
director. And what was ABB doing at the time? Why, negotiating that $200
million deal with North Korea to provide equipment and services for the
KEDO nuclear reactors, of course!

Yes, nuclear proliferation is ugly stuff -- but you might as well
squeeze a few dollars from it, right? A smart guy always plays the
angles -- and, as the hero-worshiping American media never stop telling
us, Rumsfeld is one smart guy.

In fact, he's so smart that he's now playing dumb. A Pentagon spokesman
says Rumsfeld "can't recall" discussing the Korean deal at ABB board
meetings. And his erstwhile ABB corporate colleagues say that it's
possible the subject never came up. Of course it didn't; going into the
nuclear business with a Communist tyranny that very nearly launched a
nuclear war against the West just four years before, in a deal that
involved high-level negotiations with the governments of the United
States, South Korea, Japan and the European Union -- that's certainly
the kind of thing that would be handled by a couple of junior executives
in a branch office somewhere. Nothing for the bigwigs -- especially
hard-wired government players like Rumsfeld -- to trouble their pretty
heads about. A perfectly reasonable explanation.

And so Rumsfeld joins the roster of Bush Regime multimillionaires who
once trumpeted their "business savvy" as selling points for their right
to national leadership but now claim to have been "hands-off"
figureheads who had no idea what their companies were up to. Bush, in
his sinkhole of insider trading and stockholder scamming at Harken;
Cheney, making fat deals with Saddam Hussein (yes, after the Gulf War)
and muddying up the corporate books at Halliburton; Army Secretary
Thomas White, gaming the power grid and stealing millions for Enron in
the manufactured California "energy crisis" -- all of them went from
mighty moguls to mere "front men" the instant their corruption was
brought to light. None of it was their fault; nothing ever is.

Whatever happened to Bush's much-trumpeted "era of responsibility?"
These guys are not only chiselers, hustlers, hypocrites and war
profiteers -- they're a bunch of gutless wonders as well. So you'll
pardon us if we are just the tiniest bit cynical about the "moral
arguments for war" and other such buckets of warm spit this gang is now
forcing down the world's throat.

PostscriptAnd what became of that 1994 pact with North Korea? UN
inspectors entered the country to make sure the weapons program was put
on ice. Pyongyang signed a number of lucrative deals with various
politically-connected Western firms, like ABB, to build the promised
energy plants, while waiting for the normalization of relations with the
United States to begin -- a move which most observers thought would set
North Korea on a course toward China-style "moderation" of its
monolithic regime.

But normalization never came. Clinton, pressured by rightwing forces
(such as Rumsfeld's commission) who opposed any truck whatsoever with
godless commies, did his usual folding number, with much windy
suspiration of forced breath -- and no action. The KEDO companies
pocketed Pyongyang's cash but dithered about the actual construction.
Pyongyang -- while not exactly a font of smiling cooperation itself --
concluded that the pact was being deep-sixed. This suspicion was
confirmed when Bush took office, calling Korean leader Kim Jong Il a
"pygmy" and declaring the county part of the "axis of evil."

Pyongyang then accelerated its weapons program, kicked out the UN
inspectors, and is now threatening to unleash a nuclear war if Bush, a
la Iraq, makes a "pre-emptive strike."

A dicey situation, sure -- but at least Don Rumsfeld made some money out
of it.
 

KingPaulV

Starting XI
well from having some sort of familiarity with the mentality of the North Korean Regime, their greatest asset is that they have the capability to show force, albeit with little or no international credibility.

I read somewhere that North Korea represents that person who will not be denied, is like Khrushchev banging his shoe in the Security Council assembly to get attention, that's how they react and act.

A couple weeks ago Donald Rumsfeld said that if needed the US could fight a two front war, the next day North Korean news agencies reported that North Korea was prepared to fight against the whole world....as you can see they are a reactionary regime that will seek many means to remain in power, afterall that is the only goal of the North Korean guvernamental apparatus.

However, the one thing I think all of us should be wary of, is that North Korea has been known to miscalculate before, they did so during the Korean war and other instances, their desire to gain world attention can grow sooooooooo large that in one of those phoney moves they might cross the threshold that sepparates what they do from being almost comical to it being deadly......that I think is the real issue here:(
 

bugatti

Youth Team
I think that now, more than ever, the pieces are set for a nuclear melt down. You have a racist, failed business man, bastard of a president for the US, a yes man for Britain, and a hard lined playboy who basks in the spotlight heading up North Korea. Add increasing turmoil between USA and about every other country on the planet, a nuclear weapons program that has gone largly unnoticed in North Korea by Washington for the last 8 years, and you have a catastrophe on your hands. I think that now is even more serious than the Cold War days. It isn't super power versus super power anymore...it's world power versus impoverished little rouge nation. Who has more to lose?:eek:
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
I was watching the news last night and i heard that a American unmaned spy-plane was nearly intercepted by a N.Korean Mig fighter. The spy-plane was in international waters of the coast of N.Korea. The Migs backed of at the last moment but just imagine what would of happened if it was shot down. I think N.Korea are trying to pravoke America but it's one hell of a dangerous game!!
 

Seán D

fm prodigy
It's a bad bad situation. north Korea are much more of a threat than Iraq. Instead of going to war with iraq, they should be off to Korea and elimnate them asap before they can use these weapons.
 

Sukur54

Senior Squad
North Korea is so not afraid of the U.S.A that yesterday when a U.S spy plane went off from Japan to navigate N.Korean air space 4 N.Korean planes came up to it and followed it around in LOCKED mode ready to fire for 22 minutes until it went and landed down into the Japanese airbases. Now thats what i call balls. THese guys are what we should fear man.
 

bugatti

Youth Team
The only way I see out of this is some quick strikes on the power plants and silos. Just like Israel did to Iraq, we need to take out the power and then the silos. It would be expensive, and if we're not dead accuate, we're...dead. You must fight fire with fire and hope it doesn't get out of hand, I guess. It only takes one.....
 

KingPaulV

Starting XI
Guys, please understand is not about the North Koreans having balls or not, they are scare of the US, what they are doing is calling for attention (screaming if you will) by "showing" they are not afraid of the US.........if you follow the timeline over the past three months their actions have been getting more and more extreme by the day.......what scares me is that these guys are gonna scream (call for attention) so loudly that the sh*t is gonna hit the fan before we know it..........

And I agree, that damn guy we got for president should be sending troops to Korea and Japan, not Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, that's where the real deal is about to.....or wants to happen:( ,


these are scarry times for the world and I would hope that all of us here realize that, is not about I'm American and you're Australian, it is about what could become of us all if things get crazy....:(
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
North Korea is just another extremist state ....

what do we do with them?

give them the chance to change ....

if they do ... then try and make the country better

if they don't ... remove the regime and try and feed some of the starving kids :rolleyes:
 

Bobby

The Legend
Everytime i watch the news, i'm like "What the hell? Why isn't Bush doing something about this?" He's off trying to do what his daddy couldn't.

I hope our next president can patch up what Bush has done.

I just hope North Korea is bluffing, for South Korea's sake, because they'll get hurt the most by this.
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
maybe he is doing something ... and we're not hearing about it ...

Iraq seems to be the cafe special atm
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Like I said, once Rumsfeld et al can no longer profit from the situation, they will pull the guns on North Korea. Just like, once the sanctions made it virtually impossible for the same guys to make any money out of Iraq and weaponry, the guns came out.

Blunt, I know, but it contains a kernel of truth.
 
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voetballiefhebb

Guest
Have you seen how cool the North Korean army are when training. All the stuff they do is like a World cup ceremony to mark the beginning of the world cup. They are very disciplined.

If I ever do decide to pursue a career in music, then I am appointing the Korean army as my choreographers.

On the war note, parts of a Korean missile were found in Alaska. Koreans are a threat, and with the whole world concentrating on Iraq, this could leave USA vulnerable.

It has to be asked though, why is there a USA spy plane flying over 12,000 miles away off the coast of Korea, international airspace or not. I wonder what would happen if Iraq flew one over the coast of New York.
 

Seán D

fm prodigy
Unfortunately there is only one solution, North Korea have to be stopped. And if that means blowing up their country, so be it. I don't think they are bluffing. USA need to eliminate them before they fall victim to them.
 
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voetballiefhebb

Guest
Whoa? Who says USA will do the job? They are doing nothing less than what the USA and UK are doing. Who says we should not stop the USA and UK?

If Korea were such a big threat, then I think the whole world would be jumping down their throats. If USA want to play international policeman, let them. If they want to play with fire, they will get burnt.
 

ryan_goal

Senior Squad
i am very glad that N.K have their own nuclear weapon so they dont have to fear U.S. and can self-defend themselves.

i dont think N.K. will ever use nuclear weapon as long as U.S. dont try to find oil from their ground.

imo U.S. is the bigger threat to the world.
 


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