No transparencies in fifa 09??

[destrones]

Hi,

i just imported a lot of things into fifa 09 that i had since fifa 07 and i noticed fifa 09 doesnt render png as transparent images. Why?? i have kits and face textures with transparent parts that look horrible in fifa 09 without the transparency ability. is there any way to fix this?

Thank you.

 

[iron_dog]

can u post a screenshot

 

[destrones]

Yep, this is the same player, left is in fifa 07 and right how he looks in fifa 09

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9599/nopng.jpg

as you may notice in the left image he has no arms because the texture for them is a transparent png. The same texture is being used for fifa 09 as well, yet the arms are shown in black. Both Fifa 07 and 08 had the capacity to display transparent pngs but not so fifa 09, although i believe it should because stadiums use a lot of png images with transparent backgrounds and they show fine. Hopefully somebody can give me a hint on how solving this problem because fifa 10 seems to have it as well.

Thank you.

 

[ArgVega]

Ok if you have been modding since fifa 07 you should know almost everything has changed, except for maybe stadiums and popups which have changed a bit but are still compatible.

fifa 09 has a new template for kits and faces, also the mapping has changed, the only things you can import are stuff created for fifa 09 or later, maybe stadiums and popups and kits from 08, but from 07 thats totally different.

And yes png's are transparent in fifa 09, they are turned to fsh with their respective alpha texture. you need to brush up on modding before you go any further or you might corrupt fifa 09 and have to reinstall

 

[destrones]

Well, i managed to import faces and textures from fifa 07 into 09 despite everyone thought they were incompatible, i just proved they are not so i think im doing pretty good. That image you see there is the same o. file in both fifa 07 and 09, and the hair texture is in fifa 07 format as well and shows fine.

Im an experimented fifa modder and i have been modding since fifa 2002 so its not that i need to brush up. The only thing im having problems with is the fact png are not transparent anymore in fifa 09 as you say because in fifa 07 and 08 you didnt need any alpha file, you just imported the transparent png and it showed well.

 

[ArgVega]

you can import any model or texture into fifa and say it will display, but by saying compatible it means to say it works correctly. This is not compatible:

If you see correctly the face texture is mapped completely different from 07/08, furthermore it can't find the arms because the respective mapping does not exist in the texture.

Unless you remap every .o model for every face you import, you might be able to have your face show up in game, but doing so would be very difficult. As far as arms go, you would have to format the face texture to include the portion that is being cut out, I think the new face textures are 512x512 instead of 512x256.

Kits is the same, the mapping is gonna be off, and you would have to remap the player model to get it to display correctly and import all fifa 07 kits, you can't have both fifa 09 and fifa 07 kits.

As far as hair goes ea has decided to attatch a tga file to the hair texture to get the transparency and quality better in fifa 09, so you will have to do the same with all the hair textures.

Like I said it is completely different and to port all the older stuff into the game it would require you to create all new stuff which is in my opinion futile, good luck on trying to do that, but I stand by what I say, you need to brush up on fifa 09's new graphics templates to learn how to mod it properly

 

[destrones]

They look different because as you said fifa 09 graphics work different, however it IS compatible because you can import them and see them in the game. They show up and they behave as in fifa 07 although they dont look exactly the same. The texture for the face is easily adaptable to the 09 format because the face stays the same and you just need to adapt the half of the texture image corresponding to the hands and legs. The difficult part is with the head models. Fifa 07 and 08 use models that have one texture for the face and other for the hair, both in png. Fifa 09 doesnt need a texture in png for the hair but instead uses 2 tga files, so if you import an old head model into fifa 09 the face texture shows but for the hair you get a texture missing wig. However i managed to resolve that by importing the hair texture png files directly into the BIG file and as long as the players IDs are linked the same as in fifa 07 the head model will be able to read them from there and they show like in fifa 07, you can see it by yourself in the image i provided.

Now, the problem i havent been able to resolve so far, is the issue with the png transparencies because fifa 09 doesnt render them for the faces or kits and shows a black texture instead. But thats completely unrelated to the fact the head model comes from fifa 07, because it happens the same with a fifa 09 head model and face textures (and kits as well). Try it yourself, take any player face texture and make it transparent, then import it using CM09 and you will see that it becomes black.

I dont know if its a limitation of CM09 or of FIFA 09 itself but im trying to figure out a way. If somebody can give me a hint please just let me know.

Thank you.

 

[ArgVega]

Hmm maybe it is a problem with the graphics not being the appropriate size, I remember in fifa 08 if you use all 2gk stuff a players turned black, I believe this is due to a memory allocation problem.

You can try to remap and convert the images to the appropriate sizes and see if it fixes your issue, but I have no idea fully of the cause.

Can you show an image of the texture and ingame of a players face looking exactly as it would on fifa 07?

 

[destrones]

Im afraid the size doesnt make any difference, i already tried in the standard size used by fifa 09 and its the same, it shows black even if using fifa 09 head models. It seems like the transparency feature has been disabled for faces and kits in fifa 09 and 10. The picture i already posted is a sample of one of my players as they look both in fifa 07 and 09. Here i got another one, this one is head model i made originally for fifa 07 as it shows in that game (left) and on the right its the same fifa 07 model but as it looks in fifa 10 (in fifa 09 looks the same)

As you may see, they look pretty much the same, the only differences are the shadows and some effects present in fifa 10.

When i opened this topic i didnt have fifa 10 yet, so now i have it i imported my teams and players into that one and basically they look the same as in fifa 09 and i still have the same issue so im posting this topic also in the fifa 10 forum since more people see it now and maybe somebody has an idea on how resolving this transparency issue.

If anybody figures out how to do it in fifa 09 please post it here anyway.