no matter if u find it stupid or not...fifa's statement about corinthians world title

[El Diablo Rojo]

2) brazil winning the world cup. it's gonna be six titles against 3 from germany and italy. it would take 12 years to any of them equalize it. and c'mon, let's face it...u, me, anyone else would believe that germany or italy could win 3 cups in a row. i guess that 'distance' imposed by brazil would really decrease europe's interest for a world cup...and the arrogance too.

Good point, but then there's few people that prefers Euro Cups over World Cups.

 

[Kibe Kru]

What Bayern means to the footballing world is way beyond what Corinthians means at the moment. And that's because I follow Corinthians in Brazil... and Corinthians is quite a bit on the news after MSI.

When Borussia came to Brazil to get thrashed by Palmeiras, it was a holiday for them, not a tournament. And yeah, random since it never happened again.

Stop being childish and saying stuff like this. If anything, it makes Corinthians fans look bad. FIFA recognizes them as champions, great. Now go back and tell the bambis about it, or the pigs, or whoever cares about this tournament. No use doing it here, since most don't care.

The fact that you consider Cameroon a meaningless country in football world is a major hipocrisy. You want the europeans to look at S. Am. clubs as something important. Yet you disregard everything outside S. Am. as rubbish.

No matter how many times Brazil wins the World Cup, the mentality won't change. Unless we get our players to stay here, it won't change. Why? Because with most of the NT playing in Europe, they already have the cream of the crop in their back yard. Why bother watching Marcus Vinicius when they have Lucio? If Brazil wins with a side completely "national", there's a chance. If not, then we can win it 20 times, they still won't care about brazilian league or brazilian club football.

A league with 32 clubs from all over the world, with the qualifiers coming through continental competition... Can we have a 600 days year? There is plenty of moaning about having too many matches, such a tournament would be impossible. Imagine the prospect of our beloved Corinthians playing in Japan on Wednesday, then take on Paysandu in the national league by Saturday, Boca Juniors the next Wednesday for the Libertadores. If they invent teleport before it takes place (which is highly likely), then there's a chance.

Overall, just get over it timmy... repeat "Corinthians are 2000 World Champions!" over and over again. If that makes you happy, so be it. Just don't come here to start these threads again.

 

[emmer]

ditto.

 

[Axolote]

Its a pointless discussion.


Europe has bigger clubs and we have the best players.

I really dont care what europeans think of Intecontinental and World club champions, if i win it i would only use it to show it to Boca or Independiente fans, not to Madrid, Liverpool and Milan fans, becouse they dont care.

Here in SA we play the same sport but we have different feelings/thoughts/approach or whatever towards FUTBOL.

If a Corinthians fans comes to me and say ''Im a World Champion and you are not'' i will lough in his face and say ''I won 2 libertadores''

Anyway i think that european CLUBS care more about southamerica than the european FANS, in every game that is played here you have more than 50 scouts looking to our players.

 

[Andrejs]

Anyway i think that european CLUBS care more about southamerica than the european FANS, in every game that is played here you have more than 50 scouts looking to our players.

I agree and it's because the South Amercian football doesn't get any coverage in Europe, the average European football fan doesn't know anything about Brazilian league, for an example. It doesn't mean that we think it's a crap league, it's just we don't know much about it, like South American fans don't know about Asian football and Asian fans about African football etc.

Compared to Champions League and Copa Libertadores, Club World Championship and the Intercontinental Cup are nothing. They don't prove anything, are badly organized and they are still existing because FIFA wants the money.

 

[Hendrik]

Anyway i think that european CLUBS care more about southamerica than the european FANS, in every game that is played here you have more than 50 scouts looking to our players.

The scouts want to sign the next Ronaldinho or Adriano, preferbaly for cheap. They care about the players and not about the teams.

Good point, but then there's few people that prefers Euro Cups over World Cups.

Add Brazil and Argentina to the Euro and you have the best tournament ever. Euro Cups are way more competitive than World Cups because there are no teams like Saudi Arabia or Ghana.
Don't get me wrong, winning the WC is still more important though.

i find it incredible that South America still manages to beat Europe even though they need South American players to make their teams Great. (Like I dont know what they should try next.......buying out the actual Club and forcing them to lose before the game?)

Genius, you just described how important these Intercontinals are to SA clubs. It's no wonder they can beat their not fully motivated European opponents then.

yeah. Boca Juniors/ River Plate (both those clubs are bigger than 80% of the German league, put together )

And you point is...? In every country there are two or three clubs that have been dominating their respective league for decades.

hahaha...random club? what bayern is? the 15th force of europe? c'mon...

Who are the 14 forces above, share us your incredible football knowledge.

i suggest u to please stop living in this tiny, tight and wet world called uefa. very good football (many, many times better than the one played in europe) is played all around the planet. if that wasn't so...we wouldn't have zidanes, davids, eto'os, drogbas, essiens, and other fantastic players born in meaningless countries (in the football world). the proposition of fifa, based on the obvious and beautiful growth of football all around the world since the 60's, it's more than correct and it shows what's the correct vision of football: global...not continental, and definetely, not european.

99% of all the good players around the world end up in Europe at some time. Not continental?

i can only see 3 ways to change european's point of view about it...and not too hopeful, i say

1) a south american/african team win the germany world cup

What would that prove? Brazil and Argentina are the only non-European teams that have a shot at winning the title. How many of their players earn their money in Europe? The majority and most of the stars.

2) brazil winning the world cup. it's gonna be six titles against 3 from germany and italy. it would take 12 years to any of them equalize it. and c'mon, let's face it...u, me, anyone else would believe that germany or italy could win 3 cups in a row. i guess that 'distance' imposed by brazil would really decrease europe's interest for a world cup...and the arrogance too.

SA leagues are like a place in heaven for young players to slowly develop their skills while in Europe there are more than 50% foreign players in the top leagues. That's a major problem, many European prospects never get a chance to prove themselves. Not to mention two other facts:
Brazil has a population of 185 million, that's as much as Germany, Italy and Holland combined thus a lot more "ressources"
The economic situation. For many Brazilian kids becoming a professional footballer is their only chance at a better life, to leave the slums. The European kids are rather spoiled these days.

 

[pasion1]

I mostly I agree with what you said.

Except the "Euro being better than the World Cup if they had Argentina and Brazil"

Not to mention that European teams lost regularly to Japan, Korea, Paraguay, Ecuador (beat Croatia....and convincingly! ).
But if you were to take out Ghana and Saudi Arabia, you'd end up with Bulgaria (what a power force that was in the Euro :funny: , and that red country that has like 1 million population ...starts with an "M" i think ..........Yeah Euro: the perfect tournament

The World Cup should be even in about 30 years (IE: There will be like 12 nations that will be good enough to win the Cup from other continents). <Actually Japan's "100 year plan" is absolutely brilliant. They pretty much plan to win a world cup by like 2050 <the Japanese have always been ahead of our time....but if you read what they plan to do and how much theyve acomplished.....its worth a standing ovasion.

 

[Help?]

Just to comment on tinytim's quote that fifa are trying to improve the game by making it global, not continental. Actually Fifa is creating this tournaments to raise some big money for themselves and not to give fans all over the world something to cheer about.

 

[Help?]

And having a global tournament with 32 teams all over the world, would mean that some players would have more than 70 games a year: domestic league, CL/UEFA Cup, 2 domestic cups, EURO/WC/World Club Cup.

 

[El Diablo Rojo]

I agree and it's because the South Amercian football doesn't get any coverage in Europe, the average European football fan doesn't know anything about Brazilian league, for an example.

But then again, that could bring up the discussion, of what's the best league in south america. Some would differ about the brazilian league being the best in south america, but in case of being covered in Europe, they should cover both Argentina and Brazil.

How many of their players earn their money in Europe? The majority and most of the stars.

In Argentina in particular, there's a discussion about players that play in Argentina not getting chances to play in the national team, and now that some could make it to the world cup. To name some: Ustari, Biglia, Agüero, Ibarra, Gago, Palacio, Somoza, Gracian, Castroman and Belluschi.

 

[FF7]

IMO, the 2000 world club championship held here in Brazil, was worthless.
Corinthians has absolutely no international tradition. Cruzeiro, Gremio, Santos, São Paulo, Flamengo, are bigger and more important clubs than Corinthians.

 

[pasion1]

they made a good point of this in Estudio futbol.

There is a respect among different continents (IE: People dont know much of the J league but from what they see, its turning into a high quality league)

- The reason why anybody watches leagues outside of their Continent is to follow their own nations players (and thus Europe doesnt really need to watch anywhere outside)

For EX- 1) Villarreal. I wouldnt care if the team suddenly went bankrupt if Forlan/Viera/ Riquelme were not there. I wouldnt even bother to watch 1 of their games of entertainment

EX 2) Until very recently, the main "European follow" in South America was mainly Spain. Until a few years back, you couldnt name more than 2 teams from the English Premier league. But when Crespo, Angel and all those foreigners came, suddenly viewers went up.

3) If Beckham was to retire in the MLS, many fanatics of his (mostly Man U fans and interested Brits) would actually start watching the MLS until Beckham left.

But there are a few exceptions. Today was the first time my dad got up to see an EPL game in like 6 years (I like the EPL , but he doesnt seem to). Just because it was MAN u vs. Chelsea (and even then , he told me "I just wanted to see how Crespo was doing in Chelsea".

Or when they show Boca/River worldwide (Even here in Canada people tune in to watch that (if they have FSC that is, which you need satelite).

(Again the SPL with Nakamura in Celtic, Japanese fans are all for that league now)


People just want to follow their players. Argentina is IMO the best league in South America, not only does it constantly produce quality players , but like diablo rojo said, they actually have many players who could currently play in the national team (a team that could possibly become the greatest in the world come 2 months time)

with all the players being sold, that is very impressive (Theres not 1 player in Brazil that can replace the European based starters, except maybe Rogerio (GK) over Dida.

 

[Kibe Kru]

with all the players being sold, that is very impressive (Theres not 1 player in Brazil that can replace the European based starters, except maybe Rogerio (GK) over Dida.

I was thinking about it after my last post, so I tried to get a team of brazilian-based players:

GK: Marcos (Ceni in the bench, that bastard)
DR: Paulo Baier (hahaha)
DL: Gustavo Nery
DC: no Lugano or Gamarra, this one is tough...
DC: -
MR: hmm... no idea here either...
ML: Ricardinho (playing bad recently, but sure to go to Germany)
MC: Marcelo Mattos
MC: Mineiro
FC: Rafael Sobis
FC: Nilmar

Hardly world threatening...

IMO, the 2000 world club championship held here in Brazil, was worthless

It was worth as much as last year's, and as much as the intercontinentals for those involved. Europeans didn't care. For the rest of the world, clubs that were there were proud, clubs that weren't there were jealous. And still are.

 

[emmer]

- The reason why anybody watches leagues outside of their Continent is to follow their own nations players (and thus Europe doesnt really need to watch anywhere outside)

wrong; e.g.: myself.

IMO, the 2000 world club championship held here in Brazil, was worthless.
Corinthians has absolutely no international tradition. Cruzeiro, Gremio, Santos, São Paulo, Flamengo, are bigger and more important clubs than Corinthians.

what's the connection between those two brilliant statements?

 

[FF7]

best brazilian-based players

GK: Fabio (Has been on an amazing form for Cruzeiro this year)
DR: ??? (Gabriel, currently playing for Malaga, is returning to Brazil)
DL: Junior (G. Nery is overrated)
DC: Edu Dracena
DC: André Dias maybe?
MR: Roger or Carlos Alberto
ML: Wagner (a promising, young Cruzeiro midfielder)
MC: Marcelo Mattos
MC: Mineiro
FC: Rafael Sobis (is returning from injury)
FC: Nilmar (has been amazing this year)

 

[FF7]

what's the connection between those two brilliant statements?

Well, I think that in order to be the "best" team in the world, you need to first win the Libertadores or CL. That's why São Paulo's world club championship is far more important than Corinthian's summer tournament title.

 

[emmer]

bullsh!t. if vasco had won it, the championship would not be "worthless", then?

 

[pasion1]

I agree. But its impossible to be the "best club in the world" when like Boca can beat Real Madrid one day but then probably lose to Tottenham a day later.

In club competition, each continent is its own universe. The "Intercontinental" matches should be seen as "extremely rare encounters" between teams (with bragging rights available)

But seriously, Corinthians didnt even win a Libertadores, and by the looks of it, they might not even win this one (after all the money they spent on quality players)

 

[FF7]

Of course it would be worthless, I don't remember correctly but I think that Palmeiras won the Libertadores on that year. Then Palmeiras should have participated in that championship.

 

[pasion1]

bullsh!t. if vasco had won it, the championship would not be "worthless", then?

yes. Still. I was in Uruguay at the time and they usually pay attention to the Intercontinental (real one), but for that one, people could barely care (only to see some good European vs. South american games but that's all. I dont think anyone even saw the all brazilian final.

Boca was the official intercontinental champ (They beat a full squad real madrid (and dominated too <I couldnt believe Makelele's hard time with Riquelme, he was getting danced all over the field>)

Boca won the Libertadores that year....Corinthians was just there because they were invited and happened to win with help of home fans.
(I think Penarol of 2000 could have won that tournament if it was played in Centenario, THATS why people didnt take it as "official")