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[NK FOOTBALL ©]

This exactly what I'm referring to. As far as the speed of the game is concerned, I think the overall speed at which the players move needs to be slowed down.

I'll have a go at this

 

[cosminnfs]

NK i tried 4.4 beta and let me just say if I was gay i would tell you i love you. It's almost perfect man ! This is what I call passing liberty. I played it on Semi-Pro and now I can really feel like the CPU team isn't like a super-computer. I will try it on Pro and tell you my thoughts.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

NK i tried 4.4 beta and let me just say if I was gay i would tell you i love you. It's almost perfect man ! This is what I call passing liberty. I played it on Semi-Pro and now I can really feel like the CPU team isn't like a super-computer. I will try it on Pro and tell you my thoughts.

haha Excellent buddy!! Look forward to your new feedback. Right now i'm just tuning up the CPU difficulty, but I'm not touching the jockey system. I'm making it so that no matter what it's almost like that, BUT I will tune the pressing system so that when they do want to score, they'll really go for it.

World Class will be a bit harder than Semi-pro, but nothing like it was before.

cheers bro,

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

You know what...I said I'll try on pro but i continued to play semi-pro cause i had so much fun passing around searching for open space or unmarked players which i did find but not had the luck to score, i only scored from a corner and the match ended 1-0 at half time which is where i stopped playing cause i gathered enough feeback.

So I think that we should just talk about the in-game play, not set-pieces cause this is where we are working right now. So first thing is that the CPU players still are aggresive but util now only when i'm pressing the pace-control (in fact they rush like hell so the C button is kinda banned now, can't be used) so you should sort this out, then i also noticed that when i'm around the box again 2-3 players squeeze me so I can pass freely at midfield but i'm stuck around the box and maybe also because all the CPU players again barricade themselfs I mean there are 6-7 players in a straight line in front of goal and that's not cool. Try and make them press more with midfield but keep the freedom of pass that it is now.
Also they mark/stand perfectly in line with my ball-receiver passing lanes even when they are with they back to the receiver, like they have eyes at the back of they heads so try and make the marking of the passing lanes more "relative" not pin-point precisely. I noticed this especially at midfield. Even strikers for example when I'm with Puyol and I want to pass to sylvinho Ruud van nistelrooy is standing exactely between puyol and sylvinho and that's not cool.

Here's the chasing players bug in Pro difficulty:http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chasingdq2.jpg
Of course I barely scored a goal cause all the three RM players jostled me and Casillias came out of goal and i passed it with W key to Ronaldinho and I managed to score.

And one more thing, that is the A+Q cross. I was with Messi (escaped from Roberto Carlos's marking) and Eto'o was free in the box ahead of the defenders and Messi crosses it to Eto'o (i chose to cross with A+Q to send the ball in the run-path of eto'o rather than crossing just with A to cross right where he was on the spot) so anyway i crossed and messi send it 3-4 metres in front of eto'o so i missed a perfect oportunity. Make the A+Q crosses more "on spot" not send them waaay ahead. I noticed this from the first WE.

But until now everything is a great improving. I can't stop smiling

Also after each update tell us on what have you worked on so we can try and see if it's good enough or bad. Thx

Also I noticed a bug on all difficulty levels. It seems that when I run with E pressed when I take my finger of E to slow down, the players keep running many times I run down the win and want to cross but instead they keep running until they hit the ad boards. Sort that out please.

Played a little more and I noticed that the fakeshots DO work but only for the keeper. The other players rush ultra aggresively at me when i try to fake a shot. Please do something about it cause imagine what beautiful plays you can achieve by fake passing/shooting.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

You know what...I said I'll try on pro but i continued to play semi-pro cause i had so much fun passing around searching for open space or unmarked players which i did find but not had the luck to score, i only scored from a corner and the match ended 1-0 at half time which is where i stopped playing cause i gathered enough feeback.

So I think that we should just talk about the in-game play, not set-pieces cause this is where we are working right now. So first thing is that the CPU players still are aggresive but util now only when i'm pressing the pace-control (in fact they rush like hell so the C button is kinda banned now, can't be used) so you should sort this out, then i also noticed that when i'm around the box again 2-3 players squeeze me so I can pass freely at midfield but i'm stuck around the box and maybe also because all the CPU players again barricade themselfs I mean there are 6-7 players in a straight line in front of goal and that's not cool. Try and make them press more with midfield but keep the freedom of pass that it is now.
Also they mark/stand perfectly in line with my ball-receiver passing lanes even when they are with they back to the receiver, like they have eyes at the back of they heads so try and make the marking of the passing lanes more "relative" not pin-point precisely. I noticed this especially at midfield. Even strikers for example when I'm with Puyol and I want to pass to sylvinho Ruud van nistelrooy is standing exactely between puyol and sylvinho and that's not cool.

And one more thing, that is the A+Q cross. I was with Messi (escaped from Roberto Carlos's marking) and Eto'o was free in the box ahead of the defenders and Messi crosses it to Eto'o (i chose to cross with A+Q to send the ball in the run-path of eto'o rather than crossing just with A to cross right where he was on the spot) so anyway i crossed and messi send it 3-4 metres in front of eto'o so i missed a perfect oportunity. Make the A+Q crosses more "on spot" not send them waaay ahead. I noticed this from the first WE.

But until now everything is a great improving. I can't stop smiling

Also after each update tell us on what have you worked on so we can try and see if it's good enough or bad. Thx

Also I noticed a bug on all difficulty levels. It seems that when I run with E pressed when I take my finger of E to slow down, the players keep running many times I run down the win and want to cross but instead they keep running until they hit the ad boards. Sort that out please.

The defence line you speak of is more than likely my man-marking settings.

However, I have again included the marking delays and skill factors, so it'll be harder for a bad defender to mark Ronaldinho! This will give you more space and time on the ball and of course you can use more skills with the higher ball-controll attributed players'.

Would you say you are a highly skilled player? My question for this is the reason of you wanting an easier game to pass. I personally believe (through experience doing this) that the easier to pass = more possession for you = less for computer = good chance you win.

I don't know about your playing style, but for me...once I can pass easily, I'll destroy the computer. Although I understand what you mean by the 'barricade'. As for marking a passing lane. I don't think I can position the marker, but I can delay it and make it so if the dribbler is BETTER than the marker, the marker will have problems stopping the passing lane or you getting passed, but if visa versa, then you'll have problems passing past the marker or running past him.

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

The defence line you speak of is more than likely my man-marking settings.

However, I have again included the marking delays and skill factors, so it'll be harder for a bad defender to mark Ronaldinho! This will give you more space and time on the ball and of course you can use more skills with the higher ball-controll attributed players'.

Would you say you are a highly skilled player? My question for this is the reason of you wanting an easier game to pass. I personally believe (through experience doing this) that the easier to pass = more possession for you = less for computer = good chance you win.

I don't know about your playing style, but for me...once I can pass easily, I'll destroy the computer. Although I understand what you mean by the 'barricade'. As for marking a passing lane. I don't think I can position the marker, but I can delay it and make it so if the dribbler is BETTER than the marker, the marker will have problems stopping the passing lane or you getting passed, but if visa versa, then you'll have problems passing past the marker or running past him.

NK.

Well yeah I'm quite a skilled player cause I play FIFA since 2002 but the thing about me is that I dont like to play like may of the other players who play to score goals I mean as soon as they get the ball they rush forward with it...no when i receive the ball I start and settle the attack work passes and try crosses and dribbles and such...you know like keeping it real, enjoying it not like an arcade game so the answer is yes i am skilled and I generaly have possesion 54-57%.

So you can't really make the CPU not mark at all or mark more poorly the passing lanes ? Cause when I played with the original fifa gameplay on semi-pro i remember that they wouldn't do marking at all, and then when i advanced to pro the cpu for the first time started to use marking, like it were a new feature so surely you can adjust it a bit in your gameplay patch.

Also besides the million things I asked you do to (i hope i'm not a bugger) I would request to adjust the passing cause i noticed when a player let's say Puyol cause he's a defender gets pressured by an attacker and wants to get rid of the ball by passing it to the wings like to Sylvinho or Zambrotta, when he's pressed he passes with normal speed BUT at 2/3 of the distance the ball starts to slow down very much and the receiver just stands there and waits for the ball to come to him. Try and fix it either by making the receiver walk towards the ball or make the passes faster or (i thinks this should be done no mather what the situation) make the ball not jump at all when passed, I mean not at all, just make it jump a little bit, like barelly noticeable. That would be perfect. We would be done with the short passing issues in my opinion.

Also 1-2 passes I don't think you managed to work on those for the moment but let me just say that on those you only have to make them faster than normal passes and make the initial passer (the player that initiates the 1-2 pass) accelerate faster because when i do a 1-2 pass he dosen't seem to accelerate he only just does an ordinary run and he is always marked very closely by a defender. Maybe you could make that defender give the receiver some slack cause if not the 1-2 passes are useless.

 

[cosminnfs]

Woohooo I just score an awesome goal in my opinion:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feVhY9M-0yU
So I guess you managed to work on the shots too.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Woohooo I just score an awesome goal in my opinion:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feVhY9M-0yU
So I guess you managed to work on the shots too.

Great goal!

I'm tuning up the passinh physics now and am looking into the cause of pace-control issue. Hmm, didn't seem to do it before but yes the cpu players' are definately running more when I use it so I'll fix this.

NK.

 

[elhelmiey]

hi NK FOOTBALL ©! this is the highlights of my 1st WE4.4 BETA on fifa07. i played as ac milan against bayern munich on legendary and i won 3-2.. without having so much difficulties. wow! lots of improvements now in a short time made by u! sometimes i just thanks God because the engine now isn't that wild as a Bugatti instead of a little tame but not too tame as a Mitsubishi Evo 10!

now i can score with oddo like the real oddo!



thanks buddy.. keep it up! just keep it up!

 

[cosminnfs]

Here's another example of negative parts of aggresive and excessive pressing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dvRcI3F7zA

You see...the defender that is closer to you from you viewing angle that was marking eto'o did go after him when he received the ball from Messi BUT the defender that was originally guarding the center of the box (in this case he was supposed to mark Ronaldinho too) also joined in to take the ball off Eto'o but at the same time he left Ronaldinho alone and so...goal. Now this could have been avoided if that defender would of marked the passing lane towards Ronaldinho but in reality this would of been a goal anyway with 70% chances. BTW this goal was scored on professional.

 

[cosminnfs]

hi NK FOOTBALL ©! this is the highlights of my 1st WE4.4 BETA on fifa07. i played as ac milan against bayern munich on legendary and i won 3-2.. without having so much difficulties. wow! lots of improvements now in a short time made by u! sometimes i just thanks God because the engine now isn't that wild as a Bugatti instead of a little tame but not too tame as a Mitsubishi Evo 10!

now i can score with oddo like the real oddo!



thanks buddy.. keep it up! just keep it up!

Wow it look like you had an awesome match ! I'm a bit jealos quite frankly... so anyway do you like this new approach toward the gameplay ? more freedom of passing but yet not so easy... ?

Well anyway NK i played some more on pro difficulty and i can confirm that the CPU players do barricade cause all the midfielders and defenders form one single group and the 2 strikers (the CPU had a 4-4-2) are inside the CPU's own half so the whole team besides the strikers all sprint back to help defense like they are running for they lives and this is what makes it a fast non-stop action gameplay. They are always running and rushing and not leaving you alone. This wasn't happening in all updates before WE. Also on 1 vs 1 situations the defenders almost not tackle you at all but they always guess which direction you are going so as soon as you put the ball around them in a split of a second they are after you jostling you. That's not the way it should happen. The player that attacks must have a speed advantage over the defender and after the dribble (i mean not all the time, onlywhen they dribble successfully) the attacker must have a 1-1,5 metre distance from the defender cause dribbling is all about making space for yourself. Imagine being with Deco in front of the box you dribble a defender and then you shoot perfectly on the top corner because you had space following the dribble but if the defender sticks to you like glue...you ain't gonna get any space. Same applies to faking shots; they stick like glue.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Scoring will be harder (shot mechanic). I scored too many easy scorchers with players' that don't really do it.

I managed to get the pace-control working, BUT it's very easy to get a shot on goal. So now i'm stuck. See, in reality...teams pass because they have to build up play, if they could score easily, they would. In this, the cpu allowed me to pass straight through, the space was stupid. They didn't run to me and I got a shot off quickly and it nearly went in. This was a full 20 minute match I was playing and if I had seen it out, god knows the score-line!!

NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

i'm calling this one "4.4b". As all I have changed is the close down speeds. I tried it out and it seemed to work in slowing the cpu down for running to the ball. May also stop them trying to close down passe's so quickly giving away space.

WE4.4b


NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

i'm calling this one "4.4b". As all I have changed is the close down speeds. I tried it out and it seemed to work in slowing the cpu down for running to the ball. May also stop them trying to close down passe's so quickly giving away space.

WE4.4b


NK.

Well I tried this version but nothing has changed in terms of pace control. In a second they rush at you immediately. At least in Pro difficulty.

No NK something is just not right I mean I think you should start from another base version of your gameplay update cause I don't know overall the gameplay is poorly unrealistic like again with every team that I played until now they did the same thing about the midfield-defense group. There are 4+4 people all on the same line it's just not right, something is not right. And the 3-4 man pressing. I can't even move. I'm gonna try and find a better base gameplay update released by you in the past cause I think we did make progress until now but not as much as we would of done with another update. There are just too many issues.

Or maybe we (you) can continue with this update but put in values that are better than the ones in this update for certain things like pressing passing shooting from previous of your updates.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Well I tried this version but nothing has changed in terms of pace control. In a second they rush at you immediately. At least in Pro difficulty.

No NK something is just not right I mean I think you should start from another base version of your gameplay update cause I don't know overall the gameplay is poorly unrealistic like again with every team that I played until now they did the same thing about the midfield-defense group. There are 4+4 people all on the same line it's just not right, something is not right. And the 3-4 man pressing. I can't even move. I'm gonna try and find a better base gameplay update released by you in the past cause I think we did make progress until now but not as much as we would of done with another update. There are just too many issues.

Or maybe we (you) can continue with this update but put in values that are better than the ones in this update for certain things like pressing passing shooting from previous of your updates.

Ok buddy, see if you can find the update that gave you the greatest feeling of realism and I'll look into it.

Although, I did make an error with 4.4b. I didn't include some other vital values. See, it turns out there's about 3 variables for each difficulty that give the 'pace-control' result as the way you want it. I could make it so Legendary is very difficult to pass, but semi-pro, pro and world class are the right passing mediums, according to their difficulty and amateur, well...a walk over.

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

Ok buddy, see if you can find the update that gave you the greatest feeling of realism and I'll look into it.

Although, I did make an error with 4.4b. I didn't include some other vital values. See, it turns out there's about 3 variables for each difficulty that give the 'pace-control' result as the way you want it. I could make it so Legendary is very difficult to pass, but semi-pro, pro and world class are the right passing mediums, according to their difficulty and amateur, well...a walk over.

NK.

Well i didn't find a overall realistic gameplay but i did found an excellent D+C shot (the powerfull shot) variables in the Joystick addict gameplay but it needs only a bit changed and the change is the height of the shot. That would be perfect. Just implement this into 4.4b with the modified height and we'll be done with this type of shot. Oh..and also implement the finesse shot from the original EA sports gameplay and then we'll be done with the finesse shot too.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

I don't mean to sound weird, but wouldn't you be better off using the original EA gameplay? It offers what you're wanting. Easier shooting with easier defences.

My approach to the game is to try and keep realism, but make it as difficult as possible. There are gamers out there who find the EA shooting just too easy to score and I do too.

I believe I should aquire more feedback before making such drastic changes like that. The shooting has come a long way, I'm not going to copy and paste an older version in now!

Joystick Addict, if I am not mistaken had pretty much the same shooting as EA original. Because I hadn't got that far to editing that play.

Anyway, the pace-control IS working now, 100%. What I'm having to do is tune everything else up around it to make it harder because, again...it's easier to break the cpu because instead of chasing me off the ball, they let me pass.

Actually, try the original EA gameplay and let me know what you think.

NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

ok ok, i'm gona stick my head out my arse and post this new beta.

I made changes to the best of your description. I didn't use any EA original settings, but used my own knowledge to get the effect of what you're wanting while keeping my physics in there. my update has its own feel, EA original values would prob conflict the newer ball physics. e.g. shot height in Ea original works with ORIGINAL ball physics. It would look different on mine.

Anyway mine is better!! lol. Give this a try, the cpu is quite different now I believe.

WE4.5beta

 

[cosminnfs]

I don't mean to sound weird, but wouldn't you be better off using the original EA gameplay? It offers what you're wanting. Easier shooting with easier defences.

My approach to the game is to try and keep realism, but make it as difficult as possible. There are gamers out there who find the EA shooting just too easy to score and I do too.

I believe I should aquire more feedback before making such drastic changes like that. The shooting has come a long way, I'm not going to copy and paste an older version in now!

Joystick Addict, if I am not mistaken had pretty much the same shooting as EA original. Because I hadn't got that far to editing that play.

Anyway, the pace-control IS working now, 100%. What I'm having to do is tune everything else up around it to make it harder because, again...it's easier to break the cpu because instead of chasing me off the ball, they let me pass.

Actually, try the original EA gameplay and let me know what you think.

NK.

Oh nooow not the EA gameplay It totally sucks. I get 15-0 scores. I know you're getting frustrated because of all the changes you not necesarelly have to make but that I/we suggested you to make cause it makes you feel like you've been working for nothing, but that's not actually what I want you to do. I realise how much time it takin to do all off these updates. Really.

I just got tired of being with Eto'o within 2 metres from goal and missing with an open goal, and i got tired of hitting the poor corner flag. Many of us did. So I am a bit right about the shooting.
Regarding the pressing, you eventually agreed with me too that it is too difficult and another SG member also agreed with you and me so I don't wanna be the guy giving the orders about how I want the gameplay to be, I'm just giving suggestions. Feel free to take these suggestions or not as long as it is for the best.
And I will try this new update. Cheers

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Oh nooow not the EA gameplay It totally sucks. I get 15-0 scores. I know you're getting frustrated because of all the changes you not necesarelly have to make but that I/we suggested you to make cause it makes you feel like you've been working for nothing, but that's not actually what I want you to do. I realise how much time it takin to do all off these updates. Really.

I just got tired of being with Eto'o within 2 metres from goal and missing with an open goal, and i got tired of hitting the poor corner flag. Many of us did. So I am a bit right about the shooting.
Regarding the pressing, you eventually agreed with me too that it is too difficult and another SG member also agreed with you and me so I don't wanna be the guy giving the orders about how I want the gameplay to be, I'm just giving suggestions. Feel free to take these suggestions or not as long as it is for the best.
And I will try this new update. Cheers

No worries, I'll continue to the direction of the latest update, which is in favour of your suggestions and others I actually believe it's harder now and the shooting looks more powerful and natural.

Thanks,
NK.