NFL 2012 Season Thread

[jschuck12001]

Not for the Skins

Or Niners, Bears, Broncos, or Rams. He was more worried about his music career than playing football when he was in Washington.

 

[regularcat]

Or Niners, Bears, Broncos, or Rams. He was more worried about his music career than playing football when he was in Washington.

not one of those teams had anyone decent to get him a ball when he was there, he has this brady guy, he made his plays when the ball was thrown to him tonight.

 

[regularcat]

my point is brady has been in the weakest division in football his entire career, of course he is going to have good statistics, wins, play-off appearances, etc.

he usually gets a bye in the play-offs due to weak division play and average difficulty schedules year after year giving they easy wins in the play-offs which is half of his career play-off wins.

he is overrated, he isn't bad but he isn't the best, manning and rodgers are better and eli is getting there.

 

[Back Door Skip]

exactly, so they are overrated.

They're your words not mine. They're solid but it has more to do with Brady making them look really good. When he struggles, they look terrible. An average QB throws to them and they don't get half the numbers except Gronk. Welker did well with Cassel, but I suspect these past few years, he has been wearing out, because he keeps dropping the ball.


Like I said, Brady never had a top-tier WR (when he had Moss, we all know what he was able to do), but he's done well with what he's had. The problem is the defense is nowhere near as good as it was earlier in his career, and that is why the championships stopped.

 

[jschuck12001]

brady can't touch manning, unfortunately for manning his worst games come post season.

Yeah but you cant be one of the greatest and play like crap in the biggest games. A 9-11 career playoff record is embarrassing for a future Hall of Famer. This year he had no excuses to use as he had one of the best defenses in the NFL and when push came to shove he turned the ball over and choked away home field advantage. Just my opinion.

 

[leungtl]

lloyd will catch about 99% of anything you throw his way.

As someone who struggled with Lloyd on their fantasy team all year, I can assure you that he doesn't catch more than half of his targets.

To be honest, Baltimore doesn';t stand a chance in hell against New England. Their defense is old and tired. They're well past their best-before date.

Good post, would read again.

 

[regularcat]

They're your words not mine. They're solid but it has more to do with Brady making them look really good. When he struggles, they look terrible. An average QB throws to them and they don't get half the numbers except Gronk. Welker did well with Cassel, but I suspect these past few years, he has been wearing out, because he keeps dropping the ball.


Like I said, Brady never had a top-tier WR (when he had Moss, we all know what he was able to do), but he's done well with what he's had. The problem is the defense is nowhere near as good as it was earlier in his career, and that is why the championships stopped.

for years their best defense was offense scoring stupid amounts of points.
like i said he is good better than most in football but he is overrated.

Yeah but you cant be one of the greatest and play like crap in the biggest games. A 9-11 career playoff record is embarrassing for a future Hall of Famer. This year he had no excuses to use as he had one of the best defenses in the NFL and when push came to shove he turned the ball over and choked away home field advantage. Just my opinion.

agreed, it's a bad look for manning but he does have a super bowl, incredible stats and his football iq is probably twice any quarterback to ever play in the nfl, he is a qb, oc and hc in one man, can't say that about brady.

indeed that pick he threw may have been one of his worst passes in his long career.

beyond wins in the play-offs there is no way you can tell me brady is better than manning.

that same defense you told me was shit last year when tebow was there and hasn't changed since last year, haha.

 

[Back Door Skip]

my point is brady has been in the weakest division in football his entire career, of course he is going to have good statistics, wins, play-off appearances, etc.

he usually gets a bye in the play-offs due to weak division play and average difficulty schedules year after year giving they easy wins in the play-offs which is half of his career play-off wins.

he is overrated, he isn't bad but he isn't the best, manning and rodgers are better and eli is getting there.

Are you kidding? Manning had the cupcake AFC South division for over 14 years and now the weak ass AFC West. The AFC East isn't the best, no doubt, but to say that is just plain ignorant.

That's not how scheduling works, either. You play division winners if you win the division, so Pats will play a tougher schedule than maybe the Chargers or another team that missed the playoffs.

It was naive of me to even take the time to read what you typed. Like always, you have little to no knowledge, but you do love to have your theories even though they aren't ever backed by any facts.

 

[jschuck12001]

Like I said, Brady never had a top-tier WR (when he had Moss, we all know what he was able to do), but he's done well with what he's had. The problem is the defense is nowhere near as good as it was earlier in his career, and that is why the championships stopped.

I agree, that line backing core was the foundation of those teams. I'm all about championships and record in Superbowls and the playoffs so I think Brady is up there but not on the level of Montana.

 

[regularcat]

it's like the old who's the better rb conversation, emmitt smith or barry sanders.

hmmmm, lets see emmitt had a monster o-line in front of him and a passing game to give him a break.

sanders had himself, no line, no qb, no wrs, no nothing.

 

[jschuck12001]

that same defense you told me was shit last year when tebow was there and hasn't changed since last year, haha.

Ok, you need to pull this quote out of MSN because there's no way I said the Broncos D was shit. They carried the team most of the year but played badly against the Patriots.

 

[jschuck12001]

it's like the old who's the better rb conversation, emmitt smith or barry sanders.

If you know football this is an easy choice.

 

[regularcat]

Are you kidding? Manning had the cupcake AFC South division for over 14 years and now the weak ass AFC West. The AFC East isn't the best, no doubt, but to say that is just plain ignorant.

That's not how scheduling works, either. You play division winners if you win the division, so Pats will play a tougher schedule than maybe the Chargers or another team that missed the playoffs.

It was naive of me to even take the time to read what you typed. Like always, you have little to no knowledge, but you do love to have your theories even though they aren't ever backed by any facts.

bro the afc east is the worst division in football and has been since the marino retired.
and you are talking about the afc south ?

the afc south and the west are tougher than the east, my high school division was tougher.

i know the facts and i know brady is your man but i don't see what you see in him.

i see a system qb who is good but not the great qb everyone else says he is.

 

[regularcat]

Ok, you need to pull this quote out of MSN because there's no way I said the Broncos D was shit. They carried the team most of the year but played badly against the Patriots.

you argued with me the whole time tebow started saying he was carrying the team.

we aren't going through this again, it's silly and you are the last one here i'm trying to argue with.

 

[regularcat]

If you know football this is an easy choice.

no question, which is why i own his pro and his collegiate heisman year jersey.

the man has a 2g season in college and in the pros.

and the montana comment, i agree brady could never see montana, montana played when football was tough and defensive orientated.

 

[Back Door Skip]

You're not being serious, are you? 80s had the Dolphins and Shula, 90s had Marino and Kelly with the K-gun. AFC South had what teams?


System QB lol... You're the kind that thinks that, huh? Well that system QB might be one of the greatest of all time. Does it hurt to think that?

 

[jschuck12001]

no question, which is why i own his pro and his collegiate heisman year jersey.

the man has a 2g season in college and in the pros.

I give Emmitt credit because he was a warrior and durable for years. The funny thing is he only had 2 seasons over 1600 yards.

 

[jschuck12001]

you argued with me the whole time tebow started saying he was carrying the team.

we aren't going through this again, it's silly and you are the last one here i'm trying to argue with.

Its a debate not an argument, I did like how Tebow played down the stretch last year. He has won more playoff games with the Broncos than Peyton has.

Anyway Congrats to the Ravens and I will be rooting for them to crush the Niners.

 

[Back Door Skip]

no question, which is why i own his pro and his collegiate heisman year jersey.

the man has a 2g season in college and in the pros.

and the montana comment, i agree brady could never see montana, montana played when football was tough and defensive orientated.

Yeah, except Montana played when there was no salary cap, so he basically had an All Pro team to lead. Would he still be considered GOAT if he didn't have Rice or Taylor as his WRs? Or his defense? Niners had one of the best defenses year in year out during that time.


What other team has won the Super Bowl three times and been to two more since they added a salary cap? I thought so.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Tebow sucks. Brady is not a system QB. He's had tons of O-Coordinators and a revolving door of personnel.