Ballack226
Youth Team
Something I noticed. PES licensed kits don't really get creased as much as FIFA 2007 kits.
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PES6 does, to me, appear to be more of a simple port over from the PS2 version.
What prevents it from being a direct port are the fact that the graphical engine clearly has been polished somehwat. And, the game doesn't seem to have that quick feeling that the PS2 footage gives me. I'll welcome that purely because I feel they've went too pace-orientated in PES6 on the PS2.
It's not really their first proper attempt at a next-gen title, really. Konami like to port things over and, in a weird way, give the players more of a level playing field.
Aestetically, PES6 strikes me more as something similar to the ISS Games. Players seem leaner.
As for FIFA, they give it a new coat of paint every year but never seem to tinker with engine of the game enough to warrant purchase.
FIFA 07 - Skill Moves
All very well and good but, it's not like they're difficult to pull off and, they're just addons.
FIFA 07 Gameplay
Very quick. Slow, methodical build-up can be completely bypassed by a quick dart down the wing. Just as Konami rarely improve the look of their game, EA rarely change the feel of theirs. They also seem to have weird shades of green on their pitches. Making them look, well, dusty. And, whilst we're nitpicking, they've taken the presentation of the games to a weird cinematic hell that looks nothing like the TV coverage they're trying to replicate.
Finally, a comparison:
FIFA vs. PES
I can't apologise enough for the soundtrack. Admittedly, it doesn't give much of PES but it does show you that it can indeed go into a fair bit of detail. Also, the players seem far less generic. Admittedly (this may just be the perspective of the footage) they all have skinny legs now. And, I don't see whether they've finally given the keepers the ability to stretch for efforts and save one-handed.
FIFA do indeed have the upper hand in terms of animation. I often wonder how much motion capture Konami does. As good as the animations are in PES, they've left out some emissions when it comes to goalkeepers. Some of them being absolutely fatal (set peices, definitely). Luckily, one of the major bugs in PES (The tee-up freekick from 40 yards) can be avoided simply by avoiding the thing that triggers it. Some of the glitches I've seen in FIFA's recent history just seems unforgivable. Balls going through keepers hands, heads, etc...
Not that PES is without clipping errors. Got a problem with a defender, kick through his face. I do regard the AI in PES to be a bit more flexible and individual, though. Just yesterday, I had a Mavuba shot from 20 yards that, weirdly went along the ground and found the net. Upon closer inspection, Lucas Neill looked as if he was going to boot it, but he got air, instead. Freidel appeared to be relying on Neill to clear up, so the shot beats him.
So, some goals are weird, but they have a logic to them. Including the oh so common "I didn't want to headbutt the post" excuse.
All in all, I prefer PES. It treats the match itself as the main draw. Not the players individual abilities. And each match seems different with a different goal winning each time. It amazes me to think what EA have abandoned over the years.
Proper physics engine to the nets (Nitpicking, again)
1-99 abilities.
The latter of which would give the players so much individuality. I can only assume EA abandoned this to cut down on the size of the player database. When you consider PES's database has a fraction of the players, it seems to offer so much more.
What prevents it from being a direct port are the fact that the graphical engine clearly has been polished somehwat. And, the game doesn't seem to have that quick feeling that the PS2 footage gives me. I'll welcome that purely because I feel they've went too pace-orientated in PES6 on the PS2.
It's not really their first proper attempt at a next-gen title, really. Konami like to port things over and, in a weird way, give the players more of a level playing field.
Aestetically, PES6 strikes me more as something similar to the ISS Games. Players seem leaner.
As for FIFA, they give it a new coat of paint every year but never seem to tinker with engine of the game enough to warrant purchase.
FIFA 07 - Skill Moves
All very well and good but, it's not like they're difficult to pull off and, they're just addons.
FIFA 07 Gameplay
Very quick. Slow, methodical build-up can be completely bypassed by a quick dart down the wing. Just as Konami rarely improve the look of their game, EA rarely change the feel of theirs. They also seem to have weird shades of green on their pitches. Making them look, well, dusty. And, whilst we're nitpicking, they've taken the presentation of the games to a weird cinematic hell that looks nothing like the TV coverage they're trying to replicate.
Finally, a comparison:
FIFA vs. PES
I can't apologise enough for the soundtrack. Admittedly, it doesn't give much of PES but it does show you that it can indeed go into a fair bit of detail. Also, the players seem far less generic. Admittedly (this may just be the perspective of the footage) they all have skinny legs now. And, I don't see whether they've finally given the keepers the ability to stretch for efforts and save one-handed.
FIFA do indeed have the upper hand in terms of animation. I often wonder how much motion capture Konami does. As good as the animations are in PES, they've left out some emissions when it comes to goalkeepers. Some of them being absolutely fatal (set peices, definitely). Luckily, one of the major bugs in PES (The tee-up freekick from 40 yards) can be avoided simply by avoiding the thing that triggers it. Some of the glitches I've seen in FIFA's recent history just seems unforgivable. Balls going through keepers hands, heads, etc...
Not that PES is without clipping errors. Got a problem with a defender, kick through his face. I do regard the AI in PES to be a bit more flexible and individual, though. Just yesterday, I had a Mavuba shot from 20 yards that, weirdly went along the ground and found the net. Upon closer inspection, Lucas Neill looked as if he was going to boot it, but he got air, instead. Freidel appeared to be relying on Neill to clear up, so the shot beats him.
So, some goals are weird, but they have a logic to them. Including the oh so common "I didn't want to headbutt the post" excuse.
All in all, I prefer PES. It treats the match itself as the main draw. Not the players individual abilities. And each match seems different with a different goal winning each time. It amazes me to think what EA have abandoned over the years.
Proper physics engine to the nets (Nitpicking, again)
1-99 abilities.
The latter of which would give the players so much individuality. I can only assume EA abandoned this to cut down on the size of the player database. When you consider PES's database has a fraction of the players, it seems to offer so much more.
Mel Brennan
Youth Team
If this comparison is between the best FIFA claims to offer to the best of what we already know about Konami, it's both stupid and futile.
Futile b/c no one here has played the best FIFA claims to offer, which is the next-gen version and its supposed new gameplay.
Stupid b/c comparing it, even had we played it, to the current versions and experiences of PES5 is doing Konami a disservice.
These "reviews" and decisions are just simply premature. I know this community hates to wait - I do too - but we've got nothing substantive to base our arguments upon at this point...unless you were IN Leipzig and played the next-gen platforms.
Otherwise, most folks here are talking out their ass.
Going forward please articulate what it is you are trying to talk about; is it strictly a PC discussion, or not? Are we talking next-gen, or not? Confusing/conflating the two this year may be ignoring a difference with a real distinction.
Futile b/c no one here has played the best FIFA claims to offer, which is the next-gen version and its supposed new gameplay.
Stupid b/c comparing it, even had we played it, to the current versions and experiences of PES5 is doing Konami a disservice.
These "reviews" and decisions are just simply premature. I know this community hates to wait - I do too - but we've got nothing substantive to base our arguments upon at this point...unless you were IN Leipzig and played the next-gen platforms.
Otherwise, most folks here are talking out their ass.
Going forward please articulate what it is you are trying to talk about; is it strictly a PC discussion, or not? Are we talking next-gen, or not? Confusing/conflating the two this year may be ignoring a difference with a real distinction.
I have just watched a little gameplay movie of pro 6 on gamespot, and to be totally honest i don't see anything different from pro 5.
Well i did notice in that particular movie file that no fouls were given by the referee, but apart from that nothing.
I also thought pro 6 for the pc was going to be next gen graphics, oh well maybe not this year. Mind you as long as it plays ok, and lets face it that's what the pes series is all about really.
Well i did notice in that particular movie file that no fouls were given by the referee, but apart from that nothing.
I also thought pro 6 for the pc was going to be next gen graphics, oh well maybe not this year. Mind you as long as it plays ok, and lets face it that's what the pes series is all about really.
Cityhunter
Youth Team
MasterM said:
I agree, where did you finf these?
SlowSilver
Fan Favourite
Woah, awesome. Lets hope it stays this way. These shots came from xboxyde.com.
"Konami released these two images of Pro Evolution Soccer 6 on Xbox 360, proving what the trailer already confirmed - that the game already looks much better than it did on the one month old announcement-images."
Clearly Konami have touched up the graphics.
"Konami released these two images of Pro Evolution Soccer 6 on Xbox 360, proving what the trailer already confirmed - that the game already looks much better than it did on the one month old announcement-images."
Clearly Konami have touched up the graphics.
Yeah looks nice the way most pics look nice after you go over them with Photoshop's unsharp mask filter haha. I think the 360 verison is going to look nice but I would be more concerned about the quality of the 360 controller's d-pad (for those of us who use the d-pad). Even Seabass voiced concerns about it in his IGN interview plus those big analog L2/R2 buttons are kinda awkward as well. Great for driving games but not so much as on/off digital buttons as used in PES.
One question I would like to know is what is the PC version going to look like? Next-gen or PS2?? Really surprising that there is no official word on this yet... and where the heck is our demo? TGS is pretty much over and still nothin. Man.
My guess is that the PC will have PS2 level graphics. If its better than bonus but I really doubt it.
One question I would like to know is what is the PC version going to look like? Next-gen or PS2?? Really surprising that there is no official word on this yet... and where the heck is our demo? TGS is pretty much over and still nothin. Man.
My guess is that the PC will have PS2 level graphics. If its better than bonus but I really doubt it.
Gaucho-Gaz
Youth Team
deKerf said:
It is strange there's news on that yet, we might have to wait for the demo to find out if it will be next gen graphics on the pc, but if they've produced the xbox 360 version on the pc, then by rights the pc version should be next gen enabled, there should be a good chance the demo will be out this week
deKerf said:
Interesting, I was going to upgrade to the xbox 360 controller, but i've never tried one ......... am I better sticking with the ps2 controller ?
Thanks mister m for the pics. And wow they look very very good i must say. If we have to wait another year for the pc's version of pro 7 to look like that, well i don't mind waiting.
As for my trusty 360 i really don't buy many games for it, but believe me pro 6 will be at the top of my shopping list,lol
As for my trusty 360 i really don't buy many games for it, but believe me pro 6 will be at the top of my shopping list,lol
AlienSeafood
Senior Squad
man...now im really thinkin if i should get the 360 wen pes6 comes out...argh!! 
AlienSeafood said:man...now im really thinkin if i should get the 360 wen pes6 comes out...argh!!
Then how will you be able to mod it?
Stick with the pc kid,We'll have next gen graphics next year! And the ability to change them!
I wouldn't waste my time with a 360 there crap
If you're gonna buy just for pes, then wait till ps3 as they say the have the first actual next gen pes title under development for it. Although I have a 360 and wont turn over at 360's launch, if I just wanted pes I would consider waiting for ps3. They always worked better together 
Shindig said:
I'd love to see just half of those skills in PES - imo that's what makes it a real expirience. Ronaldo does that move^ in every game in real life, and it would be much more realistic if they made some of those skills in PES6. Also Robinhos skill looked so much like Robinho.
I've tried the FIFA demo though, and it doesn't do the trick for me.
Wouldn't mind FIFA's many skills though
AlienSeafood
Senior Squad
Nack: i dont do mods...i use a (crappy/hardly loadin) ps2...all i do are in game editing...yes, real names n all...a good thing to do if u wanna waste a weekend... 
ALou: have no plans in gettin a ps3, fakcin expensive...its either the 360 or the wii...main priority is pes/we of course but i do play other sports n racin games...oh, n read at some reliable sites that there isnt that much of a difference between the 360 n ps3...though there are, its not like day n night...
ALou: have no plans in gettin a ps3, fakcin expensive...its either the 360 or the wii...main priority is pes/we of course but i do play other sports n racin games...oh, n read at some reliable sites that there isnt that much of a difference between the 360 n ps3...though there are, its not like day n night...