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rose is the obvious choice
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NBA Basketball Thread 2007-2008: Regular Season
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ShiftyPowers
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Noah, Simmons, Thomas, Gooden, Nocioni.
Their problem is that Hinrich and Gordon are garbage and can't shoot. Beasley isn't a post player anyway, and he won't be better than Deng as a rookie.
Their problem is that Hinrich and Gordon are garbage and can't shoot. Beasley isn't a post player anyway, and he won't be better than Deng as a rookie.
twigsanberries
Youth Team
thomas is a bust. athletic but will never be post player
noah looks like he's having a seizure when he tries to do a post move. a more energetic version of varejao
gooden is solid. however, beasely will make more of an impact right away, which is what is needed. this team can contend now, not wait 3 years for rose to get acclimated to run an nba offense. beasely will be asked to score. that's it.
nocioni is a SF. a very good one at that.
simmons. really? that's your PF?
hinrich was garbage because he was asked to carry this team offensively when gordon decided he forgot how to shoot. the whole team was out of sync. hinrich is still a very good defender, and he does have a decent jumpshot. at no time should your PG also be the scorer on your team. that is a death sentence. scoring PG will never lead their teams anywhere. read Stephon Marbury and Jason Williams. rose will be an awesome player, but he's not what the bulls need. having said that, i would be ecstatic if they get him, but then you are stuck with moving hinrich/gordon/hughes/sefalosha. you will never get anything for them.
noah looks like he's having a seizure when he tries to do a post move. a more energetic version of varejao
gooden is solid. however, beasely will make more of an impact right away, which is what is needed. this team can contend now, not wait 3 years for rose to get acclimated to run an nba offense. beasely will be asked to score. that's it.
nocioni is a SF. a very good one at that.
simmons. really? that's your PF?
hinrich was garbage because he was asked to carry this team offensively when gordon decided he forgot how to shoot. the whole team was out of sync. hinrich is still a very good defender, and he does have a decent jumpshot. at no time should your PG also be the scorer on your team. that is a death sentence. scoring PG will never lead their teams anywhere. read Stephon Marbury and Jason Williams. rose will be an awesome player, but he's not what the bulls need. having said that, i would be ecstatic if they get him, but then you are stuck with moving hinrich/gordon/hughes/sefalosha. you will never get anything for them.
twigsanberries
Youth Team
even a blind squirrel finds a nut. also took paul 3 years to reach this status. notice i said rose would develop into a great player, but it would take time. hornets were not built to win NOW. they waited for paul and west to develop, then gave them shooters and an athletic big man. voila. bulls have a chance to do the same. surround an awesome scorer like beasely with a athletic big man who will hit the glass (noah/gooden), give him guards who are good defenders and CAN knock down open jumpers when asked (hughes/kirk/ben) and you have a team that can compete. every bulls player sucked this year. every single one. a couple of bright spots but not enough to negate the season.
btw... chris paul is a monster. how many of them are around? there is nobody like him. plus, you tell me, how far would the hornets go if paul had to average 30 a game instead of 20 and 15 assists? shut him down and the team goes to ****. bulls pick rose, he will die. all teams will have to do is shut him down. game over. unless the bulls are planning to overhaul to build around him, then fine, give the man some scorers (like west, pedja, peterson...) and i'll be on the boat. with the way the team is constructed right now, rose would be labeled a bust.
btw... chris paul is a monster. how many of them are around? there is nobody like him. plus, you tell me, how far would the hornets go if paul had to average 30 a game instead of 20 and 15 assists? shut him down and the team goes to ****. bulls pick rose, he will die. all teams will have to do is shut him down. game over. unless the bulls are planning to overhaul to build around him, then fine, give the man some scorers (like west, pedja, peterson...) and i'll be on the boat. with the way the team is constructed right now, rose would be labeled a bust.
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twigsanberries;2527593 said:
The Bulls don't have the talent to compete in the East, even with Michael Beasley on the roster. If you think they do, then you're either crazy, a homer, or an awful judge of basketball talent.
I don't know why you think Derrick Rose is a shoot first point guard. The Memphis system makes it really hard to gauge point guard talent because it's based around driving and kicking the ball out, they don't really run a real offense. That said, Rose was primarily a scorer when he had to step up to keep his team in the game, the first scoring option on that Memphis team was Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Rose had no problem deferring to him all season.
twigsanberries
Youth Team
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come on man, look at the facts. two years ago, the bulls made a serious run in the playoffs as a top 4 seed while giving the pistons a run for their money. they did it with such powerhouse players as:
michael sweetney
adrian griffith
malik alen
the east has not changed. with the exception of the magic rising, it is still the same. i am not a homer. i might live in chicago, but i am a kings fan. i will not get into any petty insults about judging basketball talent, as i don't really believe anybody here is an NBA scout. if Memphis is a hard system to gauge PG on, what makes you think rose will be a superstar PG in NBA? I never said he was bad, I said beasely will make a more immediate impact. he is a stronger, meaner kevin durant with a better jump shot. durant seems to be working out well
if bulls could be a solid contender with the same players basically a year and half younger, there is NO reason they couldn't contend now. i mean if you can get past the point of arguing and look at the east, you would realize what i'm talking about. the sixers? the ******* hawks? you're telling me the current bulls roster could not at least make it to the 8th seed? do not hate, look at the facts. beasely is going to be a very good player. unless there is some way to prove that he will be a bust, and rose is the next superstar, you draft what you need.
that said, yes i have watched both players a ton during this past season. rose looks like he has awesome court vision, and a better than average jumpshot (he has good mechanics) kinda like deron williams.
it just seems to me you would rather prove me wrong than look at the east and say "holy ****... my high school basketball team can probably get 8th seed" that's all i mean. they will not win the title. with beasely they will be a solid team in the east that will contend.
come on man, look at the facts. two years ago, the bulls made a serious run in the playoffs as a top 4 seed while giving the pistons a run for their money. they did it with such powerhouse players as:
michael sweetney
adrian griffith
malik alen
the east has not changed. with the exception of the magic rising, it is still the same. i am not a homer. i might live in chicago, but i am a kings fan. i will not get into any petty insults about judging basketball talent, as i don't really believe anybody here is an NBA scout. if Memphis is a hard system to gauge PG on, what makes you think rose will be a superstar PG in NBA? I never said he was bad, I said beasely will make a more immediate impact. he is a stronger, meaner kevin durant with a better jump shot. durant seems to be working out well
if bulls could be a solid contender with the same players basically a year and half younger, there is NO reason they couldn't contend now. i mean if you can get past the point of arguing and look at the east, you would realize what i'm talking about. the sixers? the ******* hawks? you're telling me the current bulls roster could not at least make it to the 8th seed? do not hate, look at the facts. beasely is going to be a very good player. unless there is some way to prove that he will be a bust, and rose is the next superstar, you draft what you need.
that said, yes i have watched both players a ton during this past season. rose looks like he has awesome court vision, and a better than average jumpshot (he has good mechanics) kinda like deron williams.
it just seems to me you would rather prove me wrong than look at the east and say "holy ****... my high school basketball team can probably get 8th seed" that's all i mean. they will not win the title. with beasely they will be a solid team in the east that will contend.
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twigsanberries;2528196 said:
Well, quite frankly I've been evaluating talent for the last 7 years and would consider myself at least in the same ballpark as professional scouts. I screw up far less than the actual GMs do with my evaluation of players. You can look at my history in this forum if you would like, I have talked about the draft here for at least 3 or 4 years.
Secondly, the East has completely changed. The Pistons are still just as good, the Celtics are far better, Orlando is far better, the Wizards are much better, the Cavs are better (because LeBron's better), the Hawks are much better, the Nets have fallen off the map, but they weren't legit 2 years ago anyway, Toronto is much better, Philly is emerging. The only teams that are worse now than they were two years ago in the east are New Jersey and Indiana, but they were far past their peak in 2006 anyway. Oh and also Miami, but I don't think anyone knows how to fairly judge where the Heat are right now.
Yoss, yeah JeVale McGee is really intriguing. I always hate the guys like him who come on the radar late in the year and play for teams that I would never sit down and watch for fun. With the exception of watching JeVale McGee, there is no reason I would ever tune into a Nevada game this past season. I'm going to have to watch a lot more film on him, but I'm definitely intrigued. A legit 7 footer with that kind of athleticism is always worth a second look.
twigsanberries
Youth Team
you don't have to flash your credentials, i've been visiting the forums for 5 years. with all due respect, there are many of us who follow the leauge and its talent closely. if you really are on the level of most pro scouts, that means you have all and every resource available to them in terms of scouting players, which would mean i have no place in this conversation. all i have is countless hours of watching and watching games, scrimmages, player interviews and such. there is no reason for me to dig through the thread for your evaluations. all i stated is that beasely would be a better pick for the bulls now, for the simple fact that the team is built to win now. rose would have to develop and team would have to build around him. they have no shooters or post players. but i don't know how to explain that any further. like i said before, beasely is a superstar that fills a dire need. rose is a superstar that well, creates a surplus at the Guard position. problem is that bulls will never get any value if they trade hinrich/hughes/ben.
you can be a better judge of player talent, mr pro scout
(btw... what the hell are you doing here instead of managing the bulls? reinsdorf can't tell a jumpshot from a hookshot) but unless you have followed the bulls closer than me, i just simply do not believe you can make a better assumption as to what the team needs. not trying to be combative, just curious. still, i would like the bulls to draft rose, for the simple fact that I want to see what you see. i need to see why you are so adamant that he is better for the team. i actually love to be proved wrong. can't learn anything if you always look in one direction.
you can be a better judge of player talent, mr pro scout
(btw... what the hell are you doing here instead of managing the bulls? reinsdorf can't tell a jumpshot from a hookshot) but unless you have followed the bulls closer than me, i just simply do not believe you can make a better assumption as to what the team needs. not trying to be combative, just curious. still, i would like the bulls to draft rose, for the simple fact that I want to see what you see. i need to see why you are so adamant that he is better for the team. i actually love to be proved wrong. can't learn anything if you always look in one direction.
ShiftyPowers
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twigsanberries;2529370 said:
That's legit. I just think Rose is the better player, and in the NBA you should never draft for need at pick #1. That's why the Bucks and Hawks have Marvin Williams and Andrew Bogut instead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams. After the first 5 picks I think you start taking need into consideration, but not before then. Unless of course you have Chris Paul and the best player is Derrick Rose, then you should probably look in another direction.
twigsanberries
Youth Team
ShiftyPowers;2529372 said:
That'll shut me up hahaha nice
Yossarian;2529097 said:
Hey man. Just dropped by to say hi a couple days ago, and tuned in this sub-forum to read whatever ShiftyPowers had to say about the playoffs. Hopefuly I'll come here more oftenly. Miss your unique humour, btw.
Anyone has the balls to bet against the Spurs? Come on, I dare you all.
twigsanberries
Youth Team
they're not what they once were... 
you can see age is finally starting to catch up with them. the fact that duncan is still there is saving them. they will contend this year but it will be difficult after that unless they have an infusion of younger talent. they will still compete, but not challenge for title. plus... lakers will beat them
you can see age is finally starting to catch up with them. the fact that duncan is still there is saving them. they will contend this year but it will be difficult after that unless they have an infusion of younger talent. they will still compete, but not challenge for title. plus... lakers will beat them
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INFESTA;2529657 said:
While I really don't care about the NBA until the playoffs, it's still not my specialty. NCAA ball, and evaluating incoming talent is what I care about.
INFESTA;2529657 said:
hurhur.....good to see you, bro. It was just weird seeing your name in this Godforsaken place.....hope you come around more often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUyMQiF435M
as far as Guards go, he was my favorite player, man....used to try to emulate his every motion on the courts from his quiet swagger to his no look passes....saddens me a lot that he was ravaged by injuries so early in his career, man.
He was a better overall player than Kobe when he was healthy.....I ain't takin' the "piss'.....I mean it.
God, I hate Euros with an unrivaled passion. What's up with this Danilo Gallinari kid getting all this undeserved hype? People have been trying to convince me that the EuroLeague's quality and competitiveness excedes that of the NCAA, but I'm just not sold on that viewpoint man.
And how is that pudgy, doughy faggot Kevin Love a consensus top five pick? I saw quite a bit of this kid this past season and I was thoroughly unimpressed with him just about everytime as far as his ability to translate his attributes to the League is concerned. I also saw him a couple of years ago at the ABCD camp getting thoroughly assraped by Oden, but I suppose he should be pardoned a bit for that outing, as he was I think just a junior at that time and Oden was already a fully fledged BEAST! Nevertheless, if you put a somewhat athletic and long player on this kid, he can be easily nullified.
Have his measurements been posted online yet?
And how is that pudgy, doughy faggot Kevin Love a consensus top five pick? I saw quite a bit of this kid this past season and I was thoroughly unimpressed with him just about everytime as far as his ability to translate his attributes to the League is concerned. I also saw him a couple of years ago at the ABCD camp getting thoroughly assraped by Oden, but I suppose he should be pardoned a bit for that outing, as he was I think just a junior at that time and Oden was already a fully fledged BEAST! Nevertheless, if you put a somewhat athletic and long player on this kid, he can be easily nullified.
Have his measurements been posted online yet?
twigsanberries
Youth Team
he needs someone to tell him to hit the weight room. seriously. he will get murdered by ronnie turiaf