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Muslims upset at in-your-face lesson in Dutchness

fh_29

Reserve Team
http://smh.com.au/news/world/muslim...on-in-dutchness/2006/03/16/1142098602916.html

By Gregory Crouch in Nijmegen, the Netherlands
March 17, 2006

THIS is not exactly a run-of-the-mill homework assignment: watch a film clip of an attractive woman sunbathing topless and try not to be shocked.

"People do not make a fuss about nudity," the narrator says.

That lesson, about the Netherlands' nude beaches, is followed by another: homosexuals have the same rights here as heterosexuals do, including the chance to marry.

Just to make sure everyone gets the message, two men are shown kissing in a meadow.

The scenes are brief parts of a two-hour-long film that the Dutch government has compiled to help potential immigrants, many from Islamic countries, meet the demands of a new entrance test that went into effect on Wednesday.

Opponents of the tightening immigration policies have pointed to the film - a DVD contained in a package of study materials for the new exam - as an attempt by the Government to discourage applicants from Islamic countries who may be offended by its content.

Dutch politicians and immigration officials have dismissed those accusations, saying the film is a study aid that will give potential immigrants an honest look at the way life is lived here.

"The film is meant for people not yet in Holland to take note that this is normal here and not be shocked and awed by it once they arrive," said Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born member of the Dutch parliament.

But Abdou Menebhi, chairman of Emcemo, a Moroccan interest group in Amsterdam, said the film was just another example of how the Netherlands was trying to limit immigration from Muslim countries.

"This isn't education, it's provocation," Mr Menebhi said. "The new law has one goal: to stop the flow of immigrants, especially by Muslims from countries like Morocco and Turkey."

Citizens from the US, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.

Dutch officials deny the film is intended to discourage Muslim immigration. But they insist they want all applicants to wonder whether or not they would fit into one of the world's most permissive societies.

Besides the snippets on homosexuality and nudity, the film shows a run-down neighbourhood populated by immigrants who describe the Dutch as "cold" and "distant". It warns of traffic jams, unemployment and possible flooding. One newspaper joked that the tourist board would give the whole production a thumbs down.
 
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Virgo

Guest
why do muslims always take things so personally, that's what I want to know.
 

bjmenge

The Man From Ohio
fh_29, are you capable of making a thread about anything other than some injustice in the World? I swear that's all you fucking do.
 
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IceBlu

Guest
bjmenge said:
fh_29, are you capable of making a thread about anything other than some injustice in the World? I swear that's all you fucking do.



indeed.

 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Oh no, the Netherlands doesn’t like Muslims, esp. after all the good in the world they have done in the recent months like torching embassies over a little drawing. :boohoo:
 

Daniel David

Youth Team
Virgo said:
why do muslims always take things so personally, that's what I want to know.

But you gotta admit that those proceedings are, at the very least, over-zealous. A two hours video? C'mon...

Note that bjmenge/IceBlu have a point however.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Ok. So if the Netherlands removes this video, does that mean chicks in Saudi Arabia can wear a Bikini then? Fairs fair.
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
IceBlu said:

It's for those that don't get CNN, or any of the basic news.

To the subject: what crap. If they don't like the video then they certainly won't like the bloody country now will they?

In all his wisdom of equal rights, Abdou Menebhi, never thought about the rights of others other than his beliefs did he? Twat.
 

bjmenge

The Man From Ohio
It's a pretty sad commentary on society, if people are coming to Soccer Gaming for their news. Besides, if they have internet to get here, why can't they visit CNN or the BBC or whatever online?
 
Paul said:
To the subject: what crap. If they don't like the video then they certainly won't like the bloody country now will they?
That's not the point. The argument is that the Dutch government is purposedly trying to discourage Muslims from settling in Holland. They're not "warning" them, they're trying to make them go away. There's probably some underlying racism in this policy. I mean look at this:

Citizens from the US, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.

But even if it is a valid argument, I think the Dutch are within their rights to do that. Each country is free to determine its own immigration policy.
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Run DMB said:
Citizens from the US, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.[/b]

How can they only have 2 of the "3 amigos" on there? Are they still bitter for Mexico coming back in 98 with that 95th min goal? (H)
 
#1 Stunna said:
How can they only have 2 of the "3 amigos" on there? Are they still bitter for Mexico coming back in 98 with that 95th min goal? (H)
Maybe they just don't want you there. :p

The men are afraid that you'll take their jobs and bang their wives.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Run DMB said:
That's not the point. The argument is that the Dutch government is purposedly trying to discourage Muslims from settling in Holland. They're not "warning" them, they're trying to make them go away. There's probably some underlying racism in this policy. I mean look at this:

Citizens from the US, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.

But even if it is a valid argument, I think the Dutch are within their rights to do that. Each country is free to determine its own immigration policy.

I agree with this. It seems pretty clear that this film is meant to discourage potential immigrants from comming to the Netherlands, and it seems pretty clear also that those who they are trying to discourage are Muslims. Very closed minded and unliberal for a country that prides itself on being open minded and progressive.
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
Run DMB said:
That's not the point. The argument is that the Dutch government is purposedly trying to discourage Muslims from settling in Holland. They're not "warning" them, they're trying to make them go away. There's probably some underlying racism in this policy. I mean look at this:

Citizens from the US, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and Switzerland are exempt.

But even if it is a valid argument, I think the Dutch are within their rights to do that. Each country is free to determine its own immigration policy.

You could debate that these countries recognise these policies (not the foreign policy, more understanding of human rights?). No doubt that'd open up a can of worms.

I don't believe the Netherlands/Holland, whatever they're calling these days is really in your face full on porn action everywhere you look, so to an extent (if that's true) the video would be out of context.

However if you can tolerate something to that extent then you wouldn't mind moving there.
 

PhiLLer

Fan Favourite
Some of you haven't been following the news properly...maybe using SG as #1 news source?

There's two versions of this film. The one sent out to muslims does not contain the scenes of a topless woman or two guys kissing. The "regular" version of the film does.


I guess this renders this discussion useless, thank me later :p
 

JTNY

Starting XI
Anything to keep Muslims in the Arab World and away from the rest of us is a good idea moving forward.
 


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